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SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 5:11 pm

Happy Saturday to one and all!

I'm interested in learning more about gate assignments at SFO. Wikipedia is helpful in determining which airlines use which terminals/piers, to be sure; I'm interested in knowing:

- Which areas are CUTE
- Which CUTE gates most typically handle the flights of which airlines
- Which gates are A380-capable (and which ones typically *actually* handle the A380)
- Which gates can handle certain aircraft types but block a neighboring gate in the process
- Which gates can handle two smaller aircraft
- Which gates are typically used, especially by UA, for longer aircraft such as the 753
- Which gates handle UA Express flights
- Which UA Express gates are jetway-equipped and which involve ramp boarding
- Which ramp boarding UA Express gates can handle multiple flights at once
- Which flights, if any, use bus boarding

... and anything else that's worth mentioning on this or related topics.

Thanks, in advance, for the wealth of information airliners.net always provides!
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:13 pm

- Which areas are CUTE
What is a CUTE gate?
- Which CUTE gates most typically handle the flights of which airlines
*Same as above
- Which gates are A380-capable (and which ones typically *actually* handle the A380)
A-9/A-1 G-101 (though G-102 is also certified, its not used) )
- Which gates are typically used, especially by UA, for longer aircraft such as the 753
UA 753 use any 80 gate except 80/82 right now. Gate 64/66/67 and most INTL
United uses all gates 60-102 (91-102 being common use INTL gates)
- Which gates handle UA Express flights
65,68,69, 76-79, 80, 82, 84a-b, 87a, 73a, 91, 92,102
- Which UA Express gates are jetway-equipped and which involve ramp boarding
All except 87a,84a-d, 76b and 78 have jetways
- Which ramp boarding UA Express gates can handle multiple flights at once
84's
- Which flights, if any, use bus boarding
None
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 1):
- Which areas are CUTE
What is a CUTE gate?

Common use gates.....A and G at SFO would qualify.
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 2):

Thanks, never heard that term used before

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):


- Which areas are CUTE
As United 1 said, International terminal only A and G
- Which CUTE gates most typically handle the flights of which airlines

Its relativly random, but.....The 380s are fixed obviously to the gates mentioned above. I can help maninly with the G-side: LH A346 on G101, CA 747-8 on GT99, EVA prefer's end gates, CM and NZ on GT95

Hope this helps
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:42 pm

On a (hopefully) related query, does anyone know when the 30s gates in terminal one were closed?
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
LH A346 on G101

A lot of my flights on LH458/459 also use Gate 99.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:43 pm

Thanks to all who are sharing helpful information!

Another general question: Does UA (or any other airline with multiple flights at SFO) tend to prefer specific gates for specific flights or specific destinations? Maybe they would do this for proximity to a lounge or short walk from security for a business-heavy destination.

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
Its relativly random, but.....The 380s are fixed obviously to the gates mentioned above. I can help maninly with the G-side: LH A346 on G101, CA 747-8 on GT99, EVA prefer's end gates, CM and NZ on GT95

When you say it's random, do you mean that whoever lands gets to pick whatever gate they want from what's not occupied? Or does the airport operator randomly assign gates? Does UA tens to stick to one part of G?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 5):

Thats actually my bad, yes meant G99 for the Munich flight

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 7):

SFOTEC who runs the international terminal for the city contracts out to a contractor that operates from the A tower. They build the gate board each day. Airlines have preffered gates, which is worked around the fixed gates of certain types. Then mix in late flights and mechanicals and it becomes out of the airlines control. UA has some control over their gates on the G side. UA uses all of the G concourse. In the morning most of the gates are occupied by UA. The only fixed gates in the morning are LH A380 on 101 and CA 747-8 on G99
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 12:29 am

KE started their 747-8i service and noticed they were using A1 as their gate. I guess for wing separation . Also, something I have not seen in a while, was the use of a "follow me" vehicle for them plng into the gate.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:47 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
KE started their 747-8i service and noticed they were using A1 as their gate. I guess for wing separation

Sounds right as Boarding Area A only has two ADG-VI gates - A1 and A9 - and the B748 and A380 are the two ADG-VI aircraft in the SFO fleet mix.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:30 am

Speaking about SFO gates, is there any news about when AC will consolidate operations in one place? The current arrangement of some flights in Intl-A and some in Intl-G is kind of annoying.

I read somewhere that T3-East (Gates 70, 71A, 71B) will open sometime in November. Will this allow UA to move some more domestic flights from Intl-G back to T3, and allow AC to consolidate in Intl-G?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:40 am

Quoting briguychau (Reply 10):

No. When 70 and 71's open the construction will continue on the other side and the remaining 70's gates. The entire T3 over the next few years will be upgraded.

No decision has been made on AC future as far as I know.
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:53 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):

Thanks, never heard that term used before

CUTE stands for Common Use Terminal Equipment, which is an agent terminal that can support multiple airlines. Some people equate that with a gate used by multiple airlines. They are really two different things as an airline could be assigned exclusive use of a gate and yet the terminal at the gate could still be a CUTE terminal.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 6:05 am

I am a ramp controller and FIDS controller in Ramp Tower A, the guys who are contracted to assign gates for A and G and handle traffic on the A side. All of the gates, baggage belts and ticket counters on/at the International Terminal are common-use.

Quoting briguychau (Reply 10):
is there any news about when AC will consolidate operations in one place?

Air Canada has been consolidated to the G side already, as of about two weeks ago.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 6):
Another general question: Does UA (or any other airline with multiple flights at SFO) tend to prefer specific gates for specific flights

Yes indeed! Korean, when using 772s and 77Ws, and British Airways, when using 744s, prefer A6 because of the location of the British Airways lounge. Pax can board directly from the lounge. Korean uses the BA lounge.

For summer, Emirates likes A1 for the A380 and British Airways and Air France like A9 for their A380s.

China Airlines prefers A9, Philippines A7 and Japan Air A5.

JetBlue likes A11A/B, A12 and A10 when possible.

Sun Country likes A2.

Cathay doesn't seem to care about what gate they use. They're usually on A1, A3 and A6.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
Which gates can handle two smaller aircraft

A1A / A1B, A3A / A3B, A11A / A11B can all handle dual narrowbodies, however:

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
Which gates can handle certain aircraft types but block a neighboring gate in the process

You can't have a narrowbody on A3B with a widebody on A5, and an A380 on A9 negates A11A.

Also, a widebody on 66 negates a narrowbody on 67, however a widebody on 67A would be ok (not a different gate, just a widebody alignment), and a widebody on 67A negates 68. We don't control T3 from the A Tower, but I used to do ramp control there.

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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:11 pm

Quoting glbltrvlr (Reply 12):
CUTE stands for Common Use Terminal Equipment, which is an agent terminal that can support multiple airlines. Some people equate that with a gate used by multiple airlines. They are really two different things as an airline could be assigned exclusive use of a gate and yet the terminal at the gate could still be a CUTE terminal.

So is SFO A/G considered CUTE or not?

Quoting N53614 (Reply 13):
Air Canada has been consolidated to the G side already, as of about two weeks ago.

Why was AC ever split in the first place?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 2:40 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 14):
So is SFO A/G considered CUTE or not?

The SFO International Terminal, which consists of gates A-G, is common use. Most Star Alliance flights are assigned to G gates. Non Star Alliance flights are assigned to A. There are a few exceptions.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:03 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 14):
Why was AC ever split in the first place?

They were displaced to the INTL terminal as T1 closes for rebuild. However, their operations are split because there are times of the day they can not fit into the G (so called STAR side) of the terminal, specifically 0900-1300. So the mid-day flights operate from the A gates. During the 0900-1300 hours UA and a few other Star carriers take up all the gates from 91-102
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RE: SFO Gates

Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:34 pm

Given this:

Quoting as739x (Reply 16):
They were displaced to the INTL terminal as T1 closes for rebuild. However, their operations are split because there are times of the day they can not fit into the G (so called STAR side) of the terminal, specifically 0900-1300. So the mid-day flights operate from the A gates. During the 0900-1300 hours UA and a few other Star carriers take up all the gates from 91-102

How was this accomplished:

Quoting N53614 (Reply 13):
Air Canada has been consolidated to the G side already, as of about two weeks ago.

?

In I-A, do airlines like AS and B6 tend to occupy certain areas?

How is B split between F9 and WN?

How is C split between AA and DL?

How is D split between AA and VX?

Are there plans to put AA in a single pier? What will it take to get this done?

Thanks again to all who are contributing.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:51 am

AA is using 45A, 45B, and 47 in C ... Delta uses the rest. On D, VX uses the lower-numbered gates and AA the higher ones, though I can't recall where the split is.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 17):
Are there plans to put AA in a single pier? What will it take to get this done?

Once the T1-B rebuild finishes, IIRC.
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:02 pm

Quoting anonms (Reply 19):

Can you elaborate? Who would move where at that point?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:19 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 6):
Does UA (or any other airline with multiple flights at SFO) tend to prefer specific gates for specific flights or specific destinations?

Not sure if this still holds true, but prior to 10/25 when the p.s. flights were still heading to JFK, they tend to depart out of the 60's gates of the brand new E concourse.

Maybe United1 could chime in on this.
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 21):
Not sure if this still holds true, but prior to 10/25 when the p.s. flights were still heading to JFK, they tend to depart out of the 60's gates of the brand new E concourse.

Not so much these days..most p.s. flights seem to leave out of F which is quite a bit more convenient to the United Club.

Pre concourse E UA would send most p.s. flights out of the close in F gates unless of course I happened to be on the red eye back to JFK in which case it always seemed like I would have to make the trek out to G....  You are right though as soon as E opened UA moved most p.s. flights over there....
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RE: SFO Gates

Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:32 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 20):
Can you elaborate? Who would move where at that point?

There's no actual information on that, but IIRC someone indicated that part of the terms of AA moving to T2-D was that they'd get dibs once T1-B is finished. I'm guessing that DL and VX would stay where they are, at the very least.
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RE: SFO Gates

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:10 am

In I-A, which gates tend to get used by B6 and AS and HA?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting anonms (Reply 23):

There's no actual information on that, but IIRC someone indicated that part of the terms of AA moving to T2-D was that they'd get dibs once T1-B is finished. I'm guessing that DL and VX would stay where they are, at the very least.

Correct. AA agreement to move to T2 was preferred gating when T1 is opened. No moves planned by VX and DL

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 24):

HA is usually at A4/A8 when I arrive in the morning. B6 usually overnights A10/A12/A11, but all of these gates depend on how the night goes.
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RE: SFO Gates

Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 24):
HA is usually at A4/A8 when I arrive in the morning. B6 usually overnights A10/A12/A11, but all of these gates depend on how the night goes.

So there is no exclusive/preferential use during the day?
 
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RE: SFO Gates

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 17):
How is B split between F9 and WN?
F9 uses gate 21 exclusively. WN uses 23 and 26 through 31.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 17):
How is C split between AA and DL?
AA uses 45A, 45B, and 47. DL uses the rest.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 17):
How is D split between AA and VX?
AA uses 56A, 56B, 57, 58A, and 58B. VX uses the rest, including 59.



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RE: SFO Gates

Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 26):

In the international terminal, there is preferred gates, but no set gates. The carriers will be fit in where they get in. There is defiantly a preference of pushing the B6,AC,AS and other narrow body operators into certain gets, but they do not have a set gate.

Example like during the summer gate A1 which has 2 jetways for narrows, its also an A380 gate. This gate is used overnight by AS and B6. However, when EK and AF had their 380s both there, the narrows were moved to other gates.
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