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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 48):
AA has decent connections built up in LAX that it will draw more connecting traffic than UA/SFO.

Uhh...have you seen the size of UA at SFO?

UA will be fine. While they don't yet have a JV with NZ, they are still partners.

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 49):
If DL ever gets their 787s that NW ordered, it may happen - but they may find more routes in line first.

I don't think a 787 could do it without severe restrictions. IIRC DL had to have weight restrictions on SLC-NRT when they operated it with the A332. AKL is almost 2000 mi further away.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:28 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 50):
I don't think a 787 could do it without severe restrictions. IIRC DL had to have weight restrictions on SLC-NRT when they operated it with the A332. AKL is almost 2000 mi further away.

Well from LAX yes, but NRT or HNL no.
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting Polot (Reply 50):
UA will be fine. While they don't yet have a JV with NZ, they are still partners.

I'd expect UA and NZ to apply for a JV soon, once the AA/QF tie-up is confirmed.

Happened over the Atlantic too, when UA/LH Group did it, the rest of the ME3/EU3 were rushing to get their JV too.

Same with the Europe-Japan JVs. LH/NH went first and soon BA/AY/JL applied for a JV too. I don't remember who came up first with US/Japan JVs.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 48):
This is going to hurt UA's SFO-AKL, especially with NZ already serving this market and clearly LAX-AKL is a much bigger market. AA has decent connections built up in LAX that it will draw more connecting traffic than UA/SFO.

This is pure propaganda. UA/SFO has 50% more departures than AA/LAX, so "drawing more traffic" has nearly zero basis. UA has 50% market share at SFO while AA has what at LAX? 20%?

Another is diversity of flights. AA+QF combined will offer a single nonstop flight to New Zealand. DL+VA will offer zero. Now compare that to UA+NZ that will offer LAX/SFO/IAH-AKL (plus YVR if you expand that criteria to include all of North America), some of which are multi-daily.

Also, the "JV" thing won't be a distinct advantage, since I have high confidence that UA+NZ will follow DL+VA and AA+QF to launch a JV as well.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:11 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 48):
This is going to hurt UA's SFO-AKL, especially with NZ already serving this market and clearly LAX-AKL is a much bigger market

This will most definitely bump up the competition a notch, but more so to Australia, where QF / AA have been losing market share.
- For AA this is about adding a destination complementing & strengthening its LAX operation.
- For QF this is about adding a destination complementing & strengthening its AKL / NZL operation.
- For AA / QF this is about adding capacity smartly LAX-Australia to bump up market share.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 53):
AA has what at LAX? 20%? (market share)

If true, American will shortly be adding 3 wide body aircraft with over 22,000 seats a month to its LAX operation (LAX-SYD, LAX-HND, LAX-AKL). Every little helps.  
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:22 pm

This would be awesome if true. AA is really building up LAX. Now I guess they need to connect some domestic and Latin American dots.
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting uberflieger (Reply 54):

Quoting a380787 (Reply 53):
AA has what at LAX? 20%? (market share)

If true, American will shortly be adding 3 wide body aircraft with over 22,000 seats a month to its LAX operation (LAX-SYD, LAX-HND, LAX-AKL). Every little helps.  

22K a month sounds like a lot, but I just did some quick back-of-envelope calculations based on LAX C2014 pax figures. Assuming these 3 flights clock in 85% LF, that would bump AA's market share by ~32bps.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:46 pm

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!

Looking on the employee website, it just says, "Kiwi's Make great friends, too!" Check back at 1700 Central.... I feel it'll be from LAX.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:54 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 17):
Has Auckland had a destination profile on AA's website for a while?

I would suppose so, AA code-shared to AKL on TN's LAX flt via PPT.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:00 pm

Let's hope it's third time lucky for AA , and this service lasts longer than their two previous attempts at AKL. I think it stands a good chance this time: support from QF/feed from JQ; non-stop, right aircraft; I assume it will be daily ; good onward connection. Go for it AA.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting gasman (Reply 42):
So for 13 years we're snubbed by US carriers; now all of a sudden everyone wants to come. Who's next - Southwest?  

LAX-HNL-RAR-AKL?

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 47):
NSN-WLG was also announced at the launch.

NSN-WLG is an pretty small part of it, compared to AKL-NSN,AKL-NPE,AKL-NPL,AKL-PMR
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 59):

Let's hope it's third time lucky for AA , and this service lasts longer than their two previous attempts at AKL. I think it stands a good chance this time: support from QF/feed from JQ; non-stop, right aircraft; I assume it will be daily ; good onward connection. Go for it AA.

Nearly everything is perfectly aligned this time :

- upcoming JV with QF
- brand new ultra low CASM plane
- really cheap oil
- fresh-out-of-BK labor costs
- brand new hard products, including all aisle access J
- labor morale at high levels
- QF and JQ feed, both domestic and trans-Tasman
- being the only nonstop oneworld service between NZ and North America
- only 1 competitor on the route (reducing the risk of a fare war erupting)

If all this and still fails, then there's no nearly no hope.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:20 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 59):
Let's hope it's third time lucky for AA , and this service lasts longer than their two previous attempts at AKL.

What were their previous attempts at AKL? HNL-NAN-AKL in the 1970s, codesharing with TN, and codesharing on QF's LAX-AKL?
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 38):
WLG or CHC really doesn't make any sense.

WLG is literally impossible.
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:02 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 63):
WLG is literally impossible.

Nonstop, sure.

Via AKL, it can be done.

But there's no way it will.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:06 pm

Quoting sw733 (Reply 64):

Nonstop, sure.

Via AKL, it can be done.

But there's no way it will.

Agreed. If the plane is sitting at AKL too long and AA wants to increase downtime utilization, a much better approach is running it to MEL. ADL/CBR are too small of a market, while PER is a bit too far for "downtime utilization" purposes.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:13 pm

Quoting airxliban (Reply 62):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 59):
Let's hope it's third time lucky for AA , and this service lasts longer than their two previous attempts at AKL.

What were their previous attempts at AKL? HNL-NAN-AKL in the 1970s, codesharing with TN, and codesharing on QF's LAX-AKL?

I think AA also flew DFW-HNL-AKL / SYD for a couple of years in the late 1980s. The gulf war / recession in 1991 ended it.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:15 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 61):
Nearly everything is perfectly aligned this time :

I hope it does work, because I think it's a pretty good thing. It;s good for Auckland and NZ, obviously, and - perversely and less obviously - it's good for Air NZ's AKL hub. The more airlines use it, the more it will be used.

I just wish it were a more interesting route. I'd rather see DFW-AKL.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:20 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):

I hope it does work, because I think it's a pretty good thing. It;s good for Auckland and NZ, obviously, and - perversely and less obviously - it's good for Air NZ's AKL hub. The more airlines use it, the more it will be used.

It's definitely a good thing. AirNZ had an absolute monopoly between NZ and continental North America prior to this, and has been charging the premiums accordingly. UA's flight plus now AA's flight will finally bring a bit of sanity to the pricing (not that I'm expecting prices to be collapsing the way US-Brazil is)

DFW-AKL sounds nice but the feed is too thin. Even NZ is barely starting AKL-IAH, and the long term sustainability of the route is yet to be proven. If I were an armchair CEO sitting in for Doug, I'd go DFW-BNE first instead of DFW-AKL.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 68):
DFW-AKL sounds nice but the feed is too thin. Even NZ is barely starting AKL-IAH, and the long term sustainability of the route is yet to be proven. If I were an armchair CEO sitting in for Doug, I'd go DFW-BNE first instead of DFW-AKL.

I'm having a little trouble with that. AKL effectively provides two countries without a backtrack, and I don't think anyone should under-estimate how many want that bang for their buck.

One of the problems with the Qantas AKL-LAX service was that many US pax used it for award travel to see both NZ and Oz. Also, of course, there were more award seats made available LAX-AKL-SYD than the non-stop LAX-SYD.

But each to their, since I don't think either route from DFW is likely to happen in the foreseeable future.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:46 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 69):

I'm having a little trouble with that. AKL effectively provides two countries without a backtrack, and I don't think anyone should under-estimate how many want that bang for their buck.

AKL is well situated between AUS and US, but the challenge is using a rival's home turf as a scissor hub
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting qf15 (Reply 15):

While I'm still in dreamland, the new oneworld focus city in Wellington. But I'd expect another announcement to come out of the news conference with Minister Bridges.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 63):
WLG is literally impossible.

Not true--it could land here and then stop in, say, Fiji on the way back :p And, while I'm dreaming, the flight will operate to DFW and feature some nice Martinborough wines and Wellington craft beers on board.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:53 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 70):
AKL is well situated between AUS and US, but the challenge is using a rival's home turf as a scissor hub

That doesn't bother Qantas, which seems to think of New Zealand as the seventh state of Australia these days. It's also been suggested that Alan Joyce is miffed, to put it mildly, that Air NZ is the largest shareholder in the rival Virgin Australia.

But to an extent jay's right. Australia and New Zealand are legally a Single Aviation Market. Air NZ could start flights from NZ through Australia to an onward foreign port any time they want.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 72):
also been suggested that Alan Joyce is miffed, to put it mildly, that Air NZ is the largest shareholder in the rival Virgin Australia.

I don't see why he has the right to be miffed. He's running a big JQ right at NZ's door, so it's completely fair game for NZ to tie up with VA to equalize the playing field.

NZ owns less than a 1/3rd of VA while QF owns 100% of JQ, so anyone is miffed, it should be NZ's CEO, not the other way around.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:00 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 73):
I don't see why he has the right to be miffed. He's running a big JQ right at NZ's door, so it's completely fair game for NZ to tie up with VA to equalize the playing field.

Of course, it is.

If he is indeed miffed - and it's only speculation - it would be because Air NZ bought the shares (in Virgin) when Qantas was at its lowest ebb, and some unfortunate things were said about the state of Qantas.

Who knows? It isn't carved in stone.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:10 pm

Quoting airxliban (Reply 62):

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 59):
Let's hope it's third time lucky for AA , and this service lasts longer than their two previous attempts at AKL.

What were their previous attempts at AKL? HNL-NAN-AKL in the 1970s, codesharing with TN, and codesharing on QF's LAX-AKL?

Early '70s with 707s ( I can't remember the exact routing or frequency) and then again in the '80s with DC-10s 3 x weekly LAX-HNL-AKL.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:12 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 13):

How big is QF on trans-tasman routes?

Please do a quick google search- or even use a bit of common sense (given NZ/Australia history) and you will see that QF and the QF Group is a big player alongside NZ. Think about it- that would be a bit like asking how big a player is AA on the West Coast-East Coast route in the US!
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:32 pm

NZ has just put AKL-LAX on sale for August 2016 at $979 return, normal around $2200 rtn.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 74):
If he is indeed miffed - and it's only speculation - it would be because Air NZ bought the shares (in Virgin) when Qantas was at its lowest ebb, and some unfortunate things were said about the state of Qantas.

Who knows? It isn't carved in stone.

Why would AJ be miffed at anyone buying shares in Virgin? It's been a money loser for years which is only just, apparently, made a profit in their domestic segment. (Based on the SQ quarterly results)

Quoting a380787 (Reply 73):
I don't see why he has the right to be miffed. He's running a big JQ right at NZ's door, so it's completely fair game for NZ to tie up with VA to equalize the playing field.

The NZ Government encouraged QF to come into the NZ domestic market after the takeover of Ansett by Air New Zealand. After a couple of aborted attempts they setup Jetconnect which was subsequently replaced by Jetstar NZ. So there is no right for anyone to be miffed about anything.

Quoting mariner (Reply 72):
It's also been suggested that Alan Joyce is miffed, to put it mildly, that Air NZ is the largest shareholder in the rival Virgin Australia.

I think he's more miffed about the SQ and EY connection than the NZ one.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 65):
Agreed. If the plane is sitting at AKL too long and AA wants to increase downtime utilization, a much better approach is running it to MEL. ADL/CBR are too small of a market, while PER is a bit too far for "downtime utilization" purposes.

AA has no problem with a 77W sitting on the ground in HKG for basically a day for the DFW run. So I doubt they'll do a turn out of AKL to Australia for a few hours.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:55 pm

Quoting KirkSeattle (Reply 27):

Quoting aklrno (Reply 26):
Went south via MLB, north via SYD on UA.

Small, but big difference. Via MEL. MLB is in Florida (although the same name).

I knew that! Thanks for reminding me. Maybe I need to look into those new Alzheimers pills.

Quoting gasman (Reply 42):
So for 13 years we're snubbed by US carriers; now all of a sudden everyone wants to come. Who's next - Southwest?  

Great idea! I won't have to switch terminals at LAX.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 77):
NZ has just put AKL-LAX on sale for August 2016 at $979 return, normal around $2200 rtn.

Don't they usually have similar sales that time of year? Not much leisure travel from the US in August unless they are fanatic skiers.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:05 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 78):
AA has no problem with a 77W sitting on the ground in HKG for basically a day for the DFW run. So I doubt they'll do a turn out of AKL to Australia for a few hours.

HKG is a special case because AA has maintenance done on planes there, hence AA does indeed not mine the 18 hour or so layover, as the plane isn't just sitting there.
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):
I'd rather see DFW-AKL.

Agreed - it would add that point of difference to the existing NZ, UA (and HA) flights. Though for QF pax ex MEL/BNE, it might be a preferred option to DFW and beyond and might cannibalise the existing DFW flight of QF somewhat.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 63):
WLG is literally impossible.

Yeah it's more a reference to the constant debate about the need for an extended WLG runway.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 77):
NZ has just put AKL-LAX on sale for August 2016 at $979 return, normal around $2200 rtn.

This.

This is the reason that the Minister should start rejecting the stitch-ups NZ makes across its route network with competitors.
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:35 pm

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 82):
This is the reason that the Minister should start rejecting the stitch-ups NZ makes across its route network with competitors.

Wouldn't $979rtn be at an loss though?
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:49 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 83):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 82):
This is the reason that the Minister should start rejecting the stitch-ups NZ makes across its route network with competitors.

Wouldn't $979rtn be at an loss though?

Roughly break-even by my back of envelope calculation - and that's only if the entire Y cabin was sold at that price. SunriseValley might be able to come up with something more accurate.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 67):
I hope it does work, because I think it's a pretty good thing. It;s good for Auckland and NZ, obviously, and - perversely and less obviously - it's good for Air NZ's AKL hub. The more airlines use it, the more it will be used.

I just wish it were a more interesting route. I'd rather see DFW-AKL.

mariner

My question is, if it were DFW-AKL, how much of those flights would be filled with traffic connecting through DFW? I am going to guess QF seems a healthy amount of connecting traffic on their SYD-DFW flights.
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 78):
Why would AJ be miffed at anyone buying shares in Virgin? It's been a money loser for years which is only just, apparently, made a profit in their domestic segment.
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 78):
I think he's more miffed about the SQ and EY connection than the NZ one.

I don't know that he is, but a lot of people think it. The airline industry is more attached to gossip than my own, which is saying something.

I'd understand it at the time, especially when Branson - the Mouth - was slagging off AJ. At the time, there was a lot of speculation that Borghetti could only win and AJ could only lose.

I felt fairly lonely standing up for AJ then.  
Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 85):
My question is, if it were DFW-AKL, how much of those flights would be filled with traffic connecting through DFW? I am going to guess QF seems a healthy amount of connecting traffic on their SYD-DFW flights.

I think quite a lot of it would be connecting traffic. The press release about LAX-AKL touts the connection possibilities.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:04 pm

does anyhow have a link to the broadcast??? Parker is in NZ for this announcement. its already 4minutes past 5pm central time..... when it was due to offiically be announced
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:06 pm

Anyone have a link? For the news?
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:08 pm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/7...an-airlines-plans-aucklandla-route

Auckland-LA daily 788 service from June 2016.

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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:15 pm

Daily 787 service in June. WOOHOO!
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:17 pm

Commencing June 2016:

LAX/AKL 2245/0635+2 788 D
AKL/LAX 1320/0630 788 D
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:18 pm

 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:19 pm

Quoting texan (Reply 89):
Auckland-LA daily 788 service from June 2016.
Quoting 777ord (Reply 90):
Daily 787 service in June. WOOHOO!
Quoting QF175 (Reply 91):
Commencing June 2016:

LAX/AKL 2245/0635+2 788 D
AKL/LAX 1320/0630 788 D

Nice!

But hardly a surprise  
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:27 pm

Interesting that they are using a 788 and not a 789.
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:34 pm

It is. But, probably a safe bet with SYD running simultaneously. Establish presence, waiting for more frames to come on-line and then go.  
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:40 pm

And a 1320 departure time ex AKL!! Happy days..........  
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:44 pm

Nice times!

Connects perfectly with the daily QF LAX-JFK-LAX service….
 
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RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:45 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 63):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 38):
WLG or CHC really doesn't make any sense.

WLG is literally impossible.

Unless they attached rocket launches to a B787/777  
Quoting zkncj (Reply 77):
NZ has just put AKL-LAX on sale for August 2016 at $979 return, normal around $2200 rtn.

So the sales wars begin! The consumer will definitely benefit from all of this but how long will NZ sustain the price?

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 78):

AA has no problem with a 77W sitting on the ground in HKG for basically a day for the DFW run. So I doubt they'll do a turn out of AKL to Australia for a few hours.

Which explains why AA is sending a B77W to SYD on the 13/11 to show case & perform a flyover the harbour  

So AA will fill in the hole QF left behind. Was hoping QF would return on this route unless it's left open for a QF SYD/MEL-AKL-DFW route utilising the B789.

EK413
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kiwiandrew

RE: AA Set To Announce LAX-AKL Tomorrow

Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:49 pm

Quoting vhebb (Reply 97):
Connects perfectly with the daily QF LAX-JFK-LAX service….

I am not sure that's relevant. My understanding is that a passenger must arrive in the US and depart from the US on a QF operated flight, not just a QF flight number, to be allowed on this sector ...however, I am open to correction on this.

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