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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:16 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 98):
From May 2016 AKL-HNL finally becomes an 789

Interesting schedule change. Overnight to HNL and daylight return to AKL in time to connect with evening SYD/MEL/BNE/PER.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:40 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 100):
Interesting schedule change. Overnight to HNL and daylight return to AKL in time to connect with evening SYD/MEL/BNE/PER.

It could allow them to bring back an wide-body 5.30pm AKL-SYD service, or an AKL-MEL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:56 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 100):
Interesting schedule change. Overnight to HNL and daylight return to AKL in time to connect with evening SYD/MEL/BNE/PER.

Would appear this coincides with the departure of a 767 from the fleet. Why the slight change in HNL departure time for Day 6?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:02 am

"Flight Centre teams up with Air NZ"

Air New Zealand has signed a three-year deal with Flight Centre that will see the travel booking chain help promote the national carrier's services and grow its business.

The global agreement, which covers operations in New Zealand, Australia, the US, Canada and the United Kingdom, is in contrast to the short-term deals often seen in the industry, Flight Centre Travel Group chief operating officer Melanie Waters-Ryan said.

"Our aim will be to work proactively with Air New Zealand to promote its world-class offerings to our leisure and corporate travel customers globally and to help it grow its business."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/air-new-ze...ticle.cfm?o_id=5&objectid=11547763
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:57 pm

Long time lurker on the NZ thread... But quick question;

Quoting zkncj (Reply 98):
From May 2016 AKL-HNL finally becomes an 789

What routes does that leave the 767 on? Seasonal AKL-PER, and CHC-PER, PM AKL-MEL, AKL-SYD, AKL-RAR, AKL-PPT, AKL-SGN, AKL-DPS. With AKL-PER going 787 next sept, will PPT be the next 789 route? All others are seasonal, I would have thought DPS would have been growing faster than HNL and PPT?

Thanks,
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:23 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 104):
What routes does that leave the 767 on?

to this list I would add AKL-RAR-LAX . The last two 767's disappears from the fleet between July 2016 and June 2017 so assume two of the three 789's due in that period will be the replacements.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 104):
What routes does that leave the 767 on? Seasonal AKL-PER, and CHC-PER, PM AKL-MEL, AKL-SYD, AKL-RAR, AKL-PPT, AKL-SGN, AKL-DPS. With AKL-PER going 787 next sept, will PPT be the next 789 route? All others are seasonal, I would have thought DPS would have been growing faster than HNL and PPT?

AKL-RAR gets 789s from next September if I remember correctly, the other flights to RAR are an mix of 777s and A320s.

AKL-MEL PM flight is often an 772 if its an widebody these days.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:02 pm

A chance for one of the small fry?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...ops-christchurch-to-kapiti-flights

"Air New Zealand drops Christchurch to Kapiti flights

"Unfortunately the Paraparaumu to Christchurch route has been operating regularly at little over half full and that's simply not sustainable long term," group general manger for New Zealand and Pacific Islands Louise Struthers said."


I'd say Sounds Air (with the Pilatus?) - it's exactly their model - but they must be getting tight on aircraft.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:27 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 107):

When PPQ-CHC was launched it came at the expense of one of the daily AKL flights so its good to see PPQ isn't totally missing out - the aircraft is just being used instead on another AKL flight

Quoting mariner (Reply 107):
I'd say Sounds Air (with the Pilatus?) - it's exactly their model - but they must be getting tight on aircraft

Wouldn't be surprised if Air2There have a look at the chances of operating this service with a Grand Caravan. Air2There main base is PPQ and have been operating there for at least 15 years. Their terminal is directly under the control tower beside Kapiti Road
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:29 pm

Oh dear, knee jerk reaction from Tweedledum (Bridges)

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/politi...-look-at-boosting-airport-security

It won't make things any safer, of course, but it will give the illusion that they are 'doing something', while also increasing the odds of any marginal regional services being axed as a result of the increased costs.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 105):
to this list I would add AKL-RAR-LAX . The last two 767's disappears from the fleet between July 2016 and June 2017 so assume two of the three 789's due in that period will be the replacements.

I thought that I had read somewhere earlier that AKL-RAR-LAX would be going to 77E so as to ensure more efficient crewing changes at LAX?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:51 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 110):
I thought that I had read somewhere earlier that AKL-RAR-LAX would be going to 77E so as to ensure more efficient crewing changes at LAX?

That makes sense. I wonder if the Cook Island's government subsidy will be increased commensurately  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 105):
The last two 767's disappears from the fleet between July 2016 and June 2017 so assume two of the three 789's due in that period will be the replacements.

The 2015 Annual Report Analyst Presentation has the five 763 retirements as follows:
One in FY 2016 (between 01 Jul 2015 and 30 Jun 2016)
Two in FY 2017 (between 01 Jul 2016 and 30 Jun 2017)
Two in FY 2018 (between 01 Jul 2017 and 30 Jun 2018)

The last two 763 retirements coincide with the first six A320NEO/A321NEO deliveries, so could be replaced by A321NEOs.

http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/asset...nual-analyst-presentation-2015.pdf
Slide 14, Aircraft capital expenditure
Slide 15, Fleet update

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:25 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 111):
I wonder if the Cook Island's government subsidy will be increased commensurately

Isn't it a capped guarantee, rather than a subsidy? Not trying to split hairs, but it's quite a significant difference.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:01 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 112):
The last two 763 retirements coincide with the first six A320NEO/A321NEO deliveries, so could be replaced by A321NEOs

O.K. thanks for the correction . What do we know about the sequence of the NEO deliveries if anything ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 114):
What do we know about the sequence of the NEO deliveries if anything ?

First NEO is an A321NEO in Aug 2017 leased from ALC, second is an A320NEO in Sep 2017 leased from ALC, third is an A321NEO in 'late 2017' owned, then three other A320NEO/A321NEO before 30 Jun 2018.

However, there's a different A321NEO fuselage without the second set of doors available about May 2018, so Air NZ could take the early deliveries in A320NEO's, then A321NEO's from mid 2018 to have the same fuselage for all the A321NEO's. The other point is would Air NZ prefer the A321NEO LR available from 2019.

http://leehamnews.com/2015/01/18/a32...onfigurations-and-a320-production/

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:51 am

"Virgin to boost its trans-Tasman runs in 2016"


Chief commercial officer Judith Crompton says the airline will run 10 return services between Auckland and Sydney and nine between Auckland and Melbourne each week from June 30.

Where is the space coming from ? must be getting very busy...

The five new Auckland runs add an extra 1760 seats a week on Boeing 737 aircraft.

With alliance partner Air New Zealand, Virgin Australia will add the following runs across the Tasman from June 30:

• Three additional return services a week between Auckland and Sydney.

• Two additional return services a week between Auckland and Melbourne.

• Up to four extra return services a week between Brisbane and Queenstown during the ski season.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/air-new-ze...ticle.cfm?o_id=5&objectid=11548180
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:37 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 116):
Where is the space coming from ? must be getting very busy

Yes I'm surprised the airlines/passengers/tourism bodies/media aren't all giving Auckland Airport a bit of a lashing for not getting on with expanding the international pier, building the new domestic terminal and building the 2nd runway. All 3 need to be complete by the end of the decade at the latest really but probably won't be done until 2030!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:09 am

Does NZ use the same Y seat in the 77E and 789? I have just completed a YYZ-YVR-AKL round trip and I found the Y seat spacing on the 77E a good 3" more than on the AC 788/789. I wonder if the tightness on AC was to do with the seat and perhaps the NZ 789 might have similar space to the 77E if it was using the same seat. I found no significant disadvantage from the 10 across cabin , in my view much of the hype on this subject is probably based on hearsay. However I did welcome the significantly quieter 787 cabin with its lack of rattles and even shush of the airflow over the fuselage. Both the NZ and AC seat cushions were more comfortable than those used by BA in their 788's.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:22 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 118):

Does NZ use the same Y seat in the 77E and 789? I have just completed a YYZ-YVR-AKL round trip and I found the Y seat spacing on the 77E a good 3" more than on the AC 788/789

The 772-Refit and 789 have the same seats and IFE.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:45 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 119):
The 772-Refit and 789 have the same seats and IFE.

Thanks for clarifying this. Thus it is reasonable to expect similar leg room in Y in both the NZ 77E and 789 unless the spacing varies from row to row.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:49 am

Jetstar Regional Shed in AKL?

While at the Domestic Terminal this morning, noticed there was some building work going in the shed next to gate 20 (the one that has an bridge frame from the AN days).

Anyone know if this is being converted to Jetstar Regional Gates?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 21, 2015 7:39 am

My sympathy to the families and friends of the pilot and passengers killed in the helicopter crash over Fox Glacier today.
http://www.news.com.au/world/fox-gla...y/02c50b471f15031be73f8c81b8da16ca
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:23 pm

Just noted that NZ will not dial back services to IAH over the winter, but will retain the 5x weekly service propsoed for the inaugural summer services:

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/23/nz-iah-s16/

Interestingly, the departure time shifts forward to 1600 for most of the winter, which allows connections to and from SYD and MEL, plus only some days BNE and OOL, with PER, ADL and CNS missing out altogether.

Anyone know why the original, better-connecting timeslot has been abandoned?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:38 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 123):

Just noted that NZ will not dial back services to IAH over the winter, but will retain the 5x weekly service propsoed for the inaugural summer services:

Interesting... I was actually playing on the NZ website yesterday looking at these flights and I noticed that they were all over the place - I guess they are in the process of updating them.

The 'schedule' function shows 3 x weekly, but if I go in to do a booking for May it shows 4 nonstops per week ( either 1, 4, 6, 7 or 1, 5, 6, 7 depending on the week I look at ) Anyway, it sounds as though the advance bookings must be going well.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:06 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 123):
Anyone know why the original, better-connecting timeslot has been abandoned?

I'd like to think because there were more flights than gates in the current schedule. It might be due to AA/UA slots being published, it might be because it will use the NZ4 aircraft, or that bookings are strong out of SYD/MEL and weak from PER/ADL There are probably multiple reasons.

CNS is seasonal and is not a transfer market. Iti s mostly retired kiwis and honeymooners.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:11 pm

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 123):
Anyone know why the original, better-connecting timeslot has been abandoned?

I imagine a large percentage of pax will be connecting onwards beyond IAH (e.g. I was searching it recently as a routing option to BNA rather than with IAH as the end destination ), perhaps this timing allows for better onward connections within North America ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 96):
Just ZK-EAR which was with Commutair as N846CA and then Air Transse as JA018A.

ZK-EAQ left New Zealand in July for Trans Guyana Airways.

Ah right, thanks PA515.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 116):
"Virgin to boost its trans-Tasman runs in 2016"

I'm always surprised at how limited Virgin's schedule is out of Auckland, despite them having the equivalent number of aircraft here as JetConnect. I appreciate that they serve more destinations, but still. I guess that's a reflection of their tie-up with Air New Zealand.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 121):
Jetstar Regional Shed in AKL?

While at the Domestic Terminal this morning, noticed there was some building work going in the shed next to gate 20 (the one that has an bridge frame from the AN days).

Anyone know if this is being converted to Jetstar Regional Gates?

I noticed recently that pax from an A320 at that gate seemed to be exiting the aircraft and walking along the tarmac towards the rear of the aircraft (presumably towards a bus, which takes them to a gate?). I'm be looking forward to finding out next week. As an aside, it's worth noting that JetStar Regional has been doing some base training today with VH-SBI flying down to Nelson. Much of this has been done on the other side of the ditch though.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:29 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 127):
I noticed recently that pax from an A320 at that gate seemed to be exiting the aircraft and walking along the tarmac towards the rear of the aircraft (presumably towards a bus, which takes them to a gate?)

A320s in AKL, with both NZ/JQ have stairs on the rear doors to help with speeding things up. Passengers then go back up an set off stairs attached to the airbridge.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:14 am

Kiwi Regional Airlines have axed the DUD-ZQN flight, last service 30th November.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/743699...axes-queenstown-to-dunedin-flights

The Queenstown route had been "extremely challenging" due to weather-related cancellations and low passenger bookings, Wilson said.

"We made a commercial decision to end the scheduled Queenstown flights before they affected the performance of our whole company."

According to stuff "The airline was now considering new regions such as Hawkes Bay, Bay of Plenty and Taranaki".

Doesn't surprise me, my guess is NSN-NPE for the next shot.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 108):
Wouldn't be surprised if Air2There have a look at the chances of operating this service with a Grand Caravan

Looong flight in a Van, just under 2 hours in a plane with no toilet and pressurization. Almost pays to just go via WLG tbh.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:13 am

Quoting Sylus (Reply 129):
Looong flight in a Van, just under 2 hours in a plane with no toilet and pressurization. Almost pays to just go via WLG tbh.

Maybe more an PC12 route? they have an cruising speed of 528km/h so more around the same as Dash, so say 55minute flight?

Quoting Sylus (Reply 129):
Kiwi Regional Airlines have axed the DUD-ZQN flight, last service 30th November.

New Zealand shortest lived Domestic Route?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:14 am

So this announcement came through on AirlineRoute that SQ was closing F reservations for the 77W for some days.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/23/sq-77w-s16update1/

I've been told the other destinations (AMS, MXP/BCN, BCN/GRU) are set for the A350 next year so maybe we'll be getting a SQ 350 service.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:58 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 132):
So this announcement came through on AirlineRoute that SQ was closing F reservations for the 77W for some days.

Unless NZ is going to operate the day time flight on somedays during winter?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:38 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 132):
set for the A350 next year so maybe we'll be getting a SQ 350 service.

CHC is being geared up for early A350 operations I have been lead to believe..
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:11 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 133):

I doubt it. Interesting to see what happens, Seems weird they would withdraw it on some days, maybe the new 4 class 77W with the smaller 4 seat F cabin? How do they do with suites on the A380 Ex AKL?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:30 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 136):
maybe the new 4 class 77W with the smaller 4 seat F cabin?

No.. They only have a few of these ones so far and they're for the premium routes such as LHR. They wouldn't waste not selling them just to send the 77W to AKL.. No harm to just continue offering it. Because F isn't being offered every day, it suggests there'll be another plane operating some days of the week.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:41 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 135):
CHC is being geared up for early A350 operations I have been lead to believe..

It seems less likely now that SQ have revealed that their initial A350s will be configured with 42 J and only 187 Y seats, that would be a big increase in J (26 seats currently) and a huge drop in Y from 245 seats. Who knows though, they might be doing really well in J from CHC and it may be justified.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:52 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 137):

We are talking March here, so by then they should have several more aircraft. I'd find it odd if they ran a different aircraft when AKL can be covered by 1 aircraft. I'm thinking it will either be withdrawn totally atleast seasonally or it's an error.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:04 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 139):

Indeed, we shall wait and see. But it'd be strange to only run F seasonally to AKL unless it was doing that badly. It would leave EK as the only airline offering a proper F product to NZ year round.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:27 am

Browsing FR24, NZ7 appears to be diverting to HNL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting thai77w (Reply 140):

Browsing FR24, NZ7 appears to be diverting to HNL.

Medical.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:00 pm

 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:09 pm

Quoting joffie (Reply 142):
Now its going to Nadi?

Is there a relief crew being flown to NAN on NZ52 ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:58 pm

This is an article about the regional airlines - the small fry - in NZ:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...-lobby-for-better-airline-services

"Regions lobby for better airline services"

It;s quite interesting although it doesn't contain a whole lot that's new, rather how some of the affected regional cities are dealing with it.

One thing caught my eye though:

"Buller mayor Garry Howard said Sounds Air's service was now better than that offered by Air New Zealand, but government ministers and officials did not fly with Sounds Air.

"We've had people arriving in Christchurch that are actually coming to meetings in Westport. So they have to drive another four hours, which is just ridiculous, where they could have come ex-Wellington and been here 40 minutes each way."


That's just silly, and hopefully it will be changed - they're looking at ways to include airlines like Sounds on the list of the government's "preferred providers."

It would be a small but important change.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:28 pm

$1 for an extra 23kg on AKL-YVR/SFO/LAX/IAH on flights from 23 Feb 2016 - Top
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:07 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 145):
$1 for an extra 23kg on AKL-YVR/SFO/LAX/IAH on flights from 23 Feb 2016 -

So on a 300 seat plane that's an extra $300 for 6,900kg of payload... ouch.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:05 pm

Quoting 77west (Reply 146):
So on a 300 seat plane that's an extra $300 for 6,900kg of payload... ouch.

Yes, one could argue that it is a loss leader, However the flight is never payload restricted nor cargo payload restricted with high fuel load regardless, so the cost to the company is less than flying with empty seats of the number that will be drawn in by the promotion, and 2) it shows they are adjusting to life with competition which allows for 2 pieces. I'd also add that most passengers during that time will tick the box, whether or not they use it so in fact it adds $1 to the yield on those passengers too if they stick 1PC. February is low season to the USA
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:46 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 147):
However the flight is never payload restricted nor cargo payload restricted with high fuel load regardless,

I want to expand on your use of the word "never." Certainly YVR I have seen Northbound payload restrictions on occasion, IAH I'm expecting to be the same at times and as for Southbound flights well.....we leave staff behind at times not because we don't have empty seats but because we don't have the payload to carry them.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:06 pm

Two stories about the runway lengthening for WLG in the DomPost today. WIAL are claiming it would add $2 billion to the national economy. Of course I'm taking that with a grain of salt large enough to kill me.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7434...ion-could-pump-2b-into-the-economy

Quote:
The reports forecast a daily long-haul service in 2021 growing to four flights a day by 2035.

Independent economic researchers Sapere calculated the net benefit to the country at just over $2b, meaning that, for every $1 spent on lengthening the runway, about $7 of economic benefit would be added.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...case-for-longer-runway-gains-steam

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