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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:01 am

Great idea:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/7...bracelets-for-unaccompanied-minors

"Air New Zealand releases Airband monitoring bracelets for unaccompanied minors

Air New Zealand has introduced wristbands for children flying unaccompanied - a product the airline is calling a world first.

Children travelling alone on Air New Zealand can now receive an Airband monitoring bracelet at check-in.

The wristband is embedded with a chip which is scanned at stages of the journey, triggering text notifications to be sent to up to five nominated contacts.

Airbands will be scanned at check-in, when boarding a plane, when a flight has landed and a child is handed over to ground staff and when a child is picked up by a designated person.

Air New Zealand general manager customer experience Carrie Hurihanganui said children travelling on their own could be a nervous time for children, and their guardians."


I don't think Air NZ is in the habit of losing UM;'s, but it's a good system and may set some parents/guardians minds at rest.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:05 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 150):

Wasn't this trialed in the last holidays? Kids being kids will try sawp wristbands with each other. I can see it being bery interesting...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 151):

Quoting mariner (Reply 150):

Wasn't this trialed in the last holidays? Kids being kids will try sawp wristbands with each other. I can see it being bery interesting...

My great-nephew had this for a short UNMR flight a month or so back. He loved it... and my niece said it gave her regular updates which she appreciated even though she is pretty laid back and not the 'anxious mother' type.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 143):
Is there a relief crew being flown to NAN on NZ52 ?

ZK-OJA NZ6003 AKL-NAN 0621/0804, NAN-AKL NZ6004 0943/1325.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:07 am

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 148):
I want to expand on your use of the word "never." Certainly YVR I have seen Northbound payload restrictions on occasion, IAH I'm expecting to be the same at times and as for Southbound flights well.....we leave staff behind at times not because we don't have empty seats but because we don't have the payload to carry them.

These sort of titbits send me to the 77E load range tables to see what is going on. These tell me that for a 13.5hr flight ( ~ 6250nm) the 77E payload is 46.5t assuming a DOW of 144.5t Max passenger load for a NZ 77E is about 35.5t which leaves about 11t for cargo. Perhaps NZ leave staff behind rather than off load cargo.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:52 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 153):
ZK-OJA NZ6003 AKL-NAN 0621/0804, NAN-AKL NZ6004 0943/1325.

what was the purpose of sending -OJA ? Just to get a relief crew to NAN?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 155):
what was the purpose of sending -OJA ? Just to get a relief crew to NAN?

Yup - and probably would have brought the expired crew home.

That way it would avoid causing to much of an knock on effect. Today's AKL-NAN flight departs at 0930, and doesn't get into NAN until 1235.

If you we're to send crew up on this flight, you wouldn't get NZ 7 into AKL until around 1630-1700.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:09 am

Just saw the SQ 380 on finals at 4pm. Chaos at AKL with 4 380's on the ground? Can't keep happening with AIAL being so on the back foot
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:15 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 155):
what was the purpose of sending -OJA ? Just to get a relief crew to NAN?

Looks like it. NZ7 (ZK-OKM) was NAN-AKL 0904/1238 and NZ52 may not have had space for a 77W crew anyway.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 154):
These sort of titbits

What were you thinking when you typed this  

Also, ZK-OJN went CHC-CNS-SIN yesterday. It's been repainted, so must be for maintenance. Can't recall a 320 going overseas for maintenance before. Thought it must have been a mistake as ZK-OJO is the only 320 not repainted.

And still no sign of life from ZK-OKN.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 152):

Just read tha the arm bands would cost customers extra from Feb. $15 if booked on line or $30 at airport one way domestic, $40 & $80 respectively for international. Not sure if you can re-use them though, either way I'd imagine a few eye brows raised by parents
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:31 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 159):
Not sure if you can re-use them though, either way I'd imagine a few eye brows raised by parents

Entirely reuseable and they keep them.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 157):
Chaos at AKL with 4 380's on the ground?

SQ pushed at 1754. EK407 STD 1850 with 451 pax to board... 
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 148):
Certainly YVR I have seen Northbound payload restrictions on occasion, IAH I'm expecting to be the same at times and as for Southbound flights well.....we leave staff behind at times not because we don't have empty seats but because we don't have the payload to carry them.

Sure Never was wrong term, but rarely unless there are runway closures at LAX. YVR should not be an issue. and IAH too early to tell what impact.
Ps: Leaving staff behind means nothing. Cargo takes priority every time and when staff are left it is because they want to take more cargo. That is a commercial decision not a restriction per se.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:33 am

ZK-OKN has missed yet another due date! Also, for those who aren't aware, ZK-OAB flew to Townsville this morning for a new coat of paint.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 128):
A320s in AKL, with both NZ/JQ have stairs on the rear doors to help with speeding things up. Passengers then go back up an set off stairs attached to the airbridge.

These passengers were disembarking at L1 and walking backwards to somewhere. They weren't going up the outside stairs of the gate, hence my curiosity. I've haven't disembarked at gate 20 in the last five or six years, though I have boarded there a few times.

Quoting Sylus (Reply 129):
The Queenstown route had been "extremely challenging" due to weather-related cancellations

Really, who would have thought?

Quoting Sylus (Reply 129):
low passenger bookings

If I was the kind of person who gambled, I would be willing to bet a fairly large sum that the Saab hasn't been full on the sectors between ZQN and DUD even once.

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 148):
I want to expand on your use of the word "never." Certainly YVR I have seen Northbound payload restrictions on occasion,

Cargo is usually pretty minimal on that route, anyway, isn't it, due to being towards the edge of the 77E's payload/range capabilities. This is one route where the 77W could be really handy. Same with HKG though in that case the hold usually goes out full, but is regularly volume limited.

Quoting thai77w (Reply 140):
Browsing FR24, NZ7 appears to be diverting to HNL.
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 141):
Medical
Quoting joffie (Reply 142):

Now its going to Nadi?
Quoting PA515 (Reply 153):
ZK-OJA NZ6003 AKL-NAN 0621/0804, NAN-AKL NZ6004 0943/1325.

Ouch! That will have been very expensive for the airline. Hope the passenger is ok now.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 157):
Can't keep happening with AIAL being so on the back foot

But think how much $$ they're saving in CAPEX.  duck 

Quoting PA515 (Reply 158):
Can't recall a 320 going overseas for maintenance before.

Nor do I. This is a worrying trend. I hope the airline isn't trying to undermine the jobs of those who working in ANZES' Christchurch hangar.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 158):
Thought it must have been a mistake as ZK-OJO is the only 320 not repainted.

I hope they keep it that way. I saw it a few days ago and I rather like how its now the oddball in the fleet.

[Edited 2015-11-24 21:42:50]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:35 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 160):
Entirely reuseable and they keep them.

That's a bit better I guess, still can see a few not so happy campers

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 160):
SQ pushed at 1754. EK407 STD 1850 with 451 pax to board...

Ahh yea musical planes with the 3 gates that AKL has, or ring up AT for some extra busses  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:37 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 159):
Not sure if you can re-use them though, either way I'd imagine a few eye brows raised by parents

They are optional, not mandatory. No one has to buy them if they don't want to.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:42 am

Amusing story about the WLG runway extension:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU151...on-would-dent-domestic-volumes.htm

...Extending the runway would add 1.16 million international passengers by 2060, lifting the total to 4.34 million, as more airlines added direct flights to southeast Asia and the US West Coast , the report said. ...

Really? CHC couldn't sustain direct flights to the US West Coast and we are supposed to believe that WLG could   
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 158):
And still no sign of life from ZK-OKN.
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 161):
ZK-OKN has missed yet another due date!

I really want to know why an almost new 77W has been MIA for well over a month. Almost 2 months now.

Perhaps time to ask the lessor for a new one! Consumer guarantees act! (Jokes)
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:23 am

Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 161):
ZK-OAB flew to Townsville this morning for a new coat of paint.

The end of the All Blacks scheme?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 162):
or ring up AT for some extra busses

Haha, they'll be stuck in traffic  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:38 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 163):
No one has to buy them if they don't want to.

No they ARE Mandatory. Not optional, been reading through and it is replacing the current system
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 162):
That's a bit better I guess, still can see a few not so happy campers

I think it's a terrific thing, more for the parents or guardians, perhaps - and the airline - than for the child.

Different times, but I started flying - by myself - when I was about ten, all over the Middle East and northern Africa and things didn't always go according to plan. My mother would have thought it a very small price to pay to know where I was.

It doesn't happen often, especially not here, that children "go astray" but it does happen. There are some famous cases in the US:

http://consumertraveler.com/today/oo...-sends-children-to-wrong-airports/

"OOPS, WE LOST YOUR KIDS — DELTA SENDS CHILDREN TO WRONG AIRPORTS

Along with everything else, airline unaccompanied minor fees have been steadily increasing. For most parents it’s a small price to pay for the peace of mind of having their children looked after while traveling alone, especially when a connecting flight is involved.

Unfortunately, earlier this week that’s not the way it turned out for two families who paid the $100 fee and sent their children on their flight on Delta.

The children made their connections in Minneapolis, but somehow they got swapped to the wrong airports. The Boston kid ended up in Cleveland and the Cleveland kid ended up in Boston."


This new Airband would seem to be of benefit to the airline, too, which has a duty of care with regard to those children, and it's cheaper, by more than half, than the Qantas "supervision fee."

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:05 am

^I apologise, you are correct...that does make it a bit tough....particularly for people sending multiple UNMR in one shipment
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 169):

^I apologise, you are correct...that does make it a bit tough....particularly for people sending multiple UNMR in one shipment

UMNRs are an additional service which requires additional manpower and therefore cost to the company. NZ appears to have decided that indeed the cost needs to pass to the consumer, but also realised there was an opportunity to update the process and make sure it was a better product..

I think a microchip under the dermis a la cats,dogs and parrots would be just as effective.. 
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:40 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 170):
I think a microchip under the dermis a la cats,dogs and parrots would be just as effective..

Here, here! I concur. Good way to keep the little beasts in range.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:44 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 166):
Quoting ZKOJQ (Reply 161):
ZK-OAB flew to Townsville this morning for a new coat of paint.

The end of the All Blacks scheme?


The aircraft is being repainted into the all bkack fern livery, like NZE.

Quoting 77west (Reply 165):

Due back in NZ on 28th Nov. I am not prepared to elaborate further on the work carried out on this aircraft except to say it will come home in the new livery.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:06 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 172):

The aircraft is being repainted into the all bkack fern livery, like NZE.

As I thought.. What a pity. And it seems inevitable that OKQ is heading in the same direction. I much prefer the All Blacks livery over the black version of the standard livery.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:25 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 173):
As I thought.. What a pity. And it seems inevitable that OKQ is heading in the same direction. I much prefer the All Blacks livery over the black version of the standard livery.

Yet another round of 1/400s I have to buy to match my NZ fleet...such a pain...
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:19 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 164):
Amusing story about the WLG runway extension:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU151...on-would-dent-domestic-volumes.htm

...Extending the runway would add 1.16 million international passengers by 2060, lifting the total to 4.34 million, as more airlines added direct flights to southeast Asia and the US West Coast , the report said. ...

Really? CHC couldn't sustain direct flights to the US West Coast and we are supposed to believe that WLG could

You can find all the reports here http://www.connectwellington.co.nz/reports

I think WLG has a better chance than CHC largely due to the higher concentration of IT shops and other related international business.

The bigger problem appears that there is only one plane that could do WLG-LAX with a full passenger load in the wet. Page 19 on this report. http://www.connectwellington.co.nz/s...Runway%20Length%20Astral%20Ltd.pdf
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:54 pm

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 175):
The bigger problem appears that there is only one plane that could do WLG-LAX with a full passenger load in the wet

The A330-800...lol I cannot see NZ wanting them, nor any other airline buying them with WLG in mind. MH is the only airline currently with flights to NZL that has NEOs.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 175):
The bigger problem appears that there is only one plane that could do WLG-LAX with a full passenger load in the wet

But "in the wet" was only about 9% of the departures. Also there is the possibility of > than the 5k headwinds used as a base for the calculations.I would think most carriers would adjust their payload
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:29 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 177):
But "in the wet" was only about 9% of the departures. Also there is the possibility of > than the 5k headwinds used as a base for the calculations.I would think most carriers would adjust their payload

That is one of the claims they make later in the report; that they use very conservative estimates and would expect real experience to show improved performance.

If I was the airport I would be focusing initially on pushing the Asia link and then using data from that to look at US west coast. After all being able to get to SIN gives you one stop service to all Asia and Europe. And most of the aircraft they looked at can do WLG-SIN with a full passenger payload even in the wet.

It should also be noted that the report points out that essentially none of the widebodies would be able to operate at MTOW out of WLG even with the extended runway. So any operators would be payload limited with regards to underfloor cargo. This makes it even more important to get buy in from an airline or two.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:36 am

Do other legacy carriers charge for UM's? Just curious if the likes of QF and stuff do
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:54 am

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 179):
Do other legacy carriers charge for UM's? Just curious if the likes of QF and stuff do

Yes, some do. As in post #168, Qantas charges a "supervision fee" - up to $90 Australian.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...velling-alone-20141010-114d2l.html

"Qantas starts fees for children travelling alone

Qantas will introduce a new fee for unaccompanied children flying on the airline as a result of a rising number flying alone and the increasing supervision costs involved.

The airline on Friday advised travel agents it will charge $50 per booking on domestic and regional flights and $90 on international flights for children aged 5 to 11 who are not travelling with a parent, guardian, nominated adult or sibling over the age of 15."


Most airlines in the US have a similar fee. Delta has just raised it to $150 (the same as American and United) for both domestic and international.

http://pro.delta.com/content/deltapr...s-its-unaccompanied-minor-fee.html

"Delta Revises its Unaccompanied Minor Fee

Effective March 3, 2015, Delta will revise its Unaccompanied Minor fee from $100 USD/CAD/EUR each way to $150 USD/CAD/EUR each way (CAD/EUR currency is used when departing Canada and Europe, respectively). This fee applies to both Domestic and International travel (nonstop and/or connecting). These changes apply to all tickets purchased on or after March 3, 2015."


Cathay Pacific does, too:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_N...companied-children-and-minors.html

"Cost of service Special booking fees and surcharges will be applied, by sector basis:

Between Hong Kong and all destinations in Africa, Europe, Middle East, North America, South Asia Subcontinent and Southwest Pacific: HKD500 / USD64
Between Bangkok and Dubai: HKD500 / USD64
Other routes: HKD200 / USD26."


I didn't look any further.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:48 am

quote=ZaphodHarkonnen,reply=178]That is one of the claims they make later in the report; that they use very conservative estimates and would expect real experience to show improved performance[/quote]

I believe they are including catering and crew within their OEW values . This is not usual but some of their OEW values are a bit high so this may be the reason.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:05 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 180):
I didn't look any further.

Now I did and looked at British Airways and its "Skyflyer Solo" service for UM's:

http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/...sistance/children-travelling-alone

"On a British Airways flight in addition to buying an adult ticket for your child, you will have to pay a Skyflyer Solo service fee.

Skyflyer Solo service fees Journey Per child each way
UK domestic flights USD 125
Shorthaul USD 125
Longhaul USD 150
On connecting journeys, the highest charge will apply, but is only applied once per direction.

Example:
Departing from Aberdeen to London Heathrow to New York JFK = USD 150
Returning from New York JFK to London Heathrow to Aberdeen = USD 150"


On Etihad it's US$100 each way for international. Qatar doesn't charge a specific fee, but provides an exclusive Escort for the child and you have to pay a full return fare for that escort - it's tucked away in the fine print LOL.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 6:48 am

Virgin Australia has announced plans to introduce a seasonal direct service between CHC and RAR

Previously served by NZ, the VA service will begin on June 25 and run weekly every Saturday for 16 weeks, with the last flight on October 8, 2016

CHC 14:00 - 20:35-1 RAR 6
RAR 23:10 - 02:25+2 CHC 5

http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en...15/CHRISTCHURCH-RAROTONGA-SERVICE/

http://www.christchurchairport.co.nz...-christchurch-to-rarotonga-direct/

Good to see more international destinations from CHC, particularly one aimed primarily for local travellers

This will build upon other recent international services and service announcements, including: CZ to CAN, CI to TPE via SYD and MEL, QF seasonal services to BNE, FJ doubling frequencies, SQ summer frequency increase to 10x weekly, and (if memory serves me correct) upgauged frequencies to Aus by VA
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:39 am

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 183):
Virgin Australia has announced plans to introduce a seasonal direct service between CHC and RAR

Previously served by NZ, the VA service will begin on June 25 and run weekly every Saturday for 16 weeks, with the last flight on October 8, 2016

Previously operated by Pacific Blue too if I'm not mistaken, around 2005 I think they ran this service.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:19 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 172):
Due back in NZ on 28th Nov. I am not prepared to elaborate further on the work carried out on this aircraft except to say it will come home in the new livery.

At least they repainted it. No further comment from me either.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:47 pm

The fourth paragraph of this 04 November 2015 item about the Cook Island's Tourism Board says Air NZ's 763 will be replaced on SYD-RAR and LAX-RAR during 2016.

Quote:
Board Chairman Ewan Smith commented that he is 'excited to work with the new board embarking on the next phase of tourism industry development. Immediate tasks include the aircraft up gauge on the Sydney and Los Angeles direct services in 2016,
http://spto.org/news/item/3966-prime...nts-for-cook-islands-tourism-board

Although Air NZ said these flights would be a 77E, a 789 could be available Sat to Tue depending on the seasonal AKL-NRT schedule.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:34 pm

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 178):
If I was the airport I would be focusing initially on pushing the Asia link and then using data from that to look at US west coast. After all being able to get to SIN gives you one stop service to all Asia and Europe. And most of the aircraft they looked at can do WLG-SIN with a full passenger payload even in the wet.

This is exactly the airport's strategy. They are in discussions with: SQ and EK for a non-stop SIN link; VN for a link to one of their two ports; CZ for CAN, and; CX for HKG. And oddly (I was told this all by an airport contact) that MH was seen as a prospect too.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 5:42 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 186):
Although Air NZ said these flights would be a 77E, a 789 could be available Sat to Tue depending on the seasonal AKL-NRT schedule.

A 77E makes more sense on RAR-LAX, as it keeps LAX as 77E/77W base and would be crew more streamed line. Where as the 787 currently are there own cabin crew / pilot pool (787 belong to Medium Haul).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:27 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 187):
This is exactly the airport's strategy. They are in discussions with: SQ and EK for a non-stop SIN link; VN for a link to one of their two ports; CZ for CAN, and; CX for HKG. And oddly (I was told this all by an airport contact) that MH was seen as a prospect too.

Very neat. The only annoyance is that I'll be living in Europe by the time this got built. :p But it'd be great to be able to fly LHR-SIN-WLG on the way home. ^_^
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:29 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 186):
Although Air NZ said these flights would be a 77E, a 789 could be available Sat to Tue depending on the seasonal AKL-NRT schedule.


I wonder if it has ever been considered to extend the SYD-RAR to LAX rather than one of the AKL-RAR service's.?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:00 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 190):
I wonder if it has ever been considered to extend the SYD-RAR to LAX rather than one of the AKL-RAR service's.?

Currently it operates as AKL-RAR-SYD-RAR-AKL and AKL-RAR-LAX-RAR-AKL.

Once they change RAR-AKL to an 772, it would allow greater flexibility, e.g they could do an set of AKL-RAR-LAX-AKL and AKL-LAX-RAR-AKL. Which removed the restriction on the flight having to return on the same day, they could move it around more depending on seasons.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:15 am

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 190):
I wonder if it has ever been considered to extend the SYD-RAR to LAX rather than one of the AKL-RAR service's.?

To me this is logical. I would run it something like this

FRI

0700-0835 (Fri) AKL-SYD (in lieu of NZ101)
1000-1900-1 (Thu) SYD-RAR
2030-0830+1 (Fri) RAR-LAX

SAT
22.45-0700 (Sat) LAX-RAR
0830-1200+1 (Sun) RAR-SYD
1330-1830 (Sun) SYD-AKL (in lieu of NZ118 for example)

Alternatively you could operate it via LAX as
AKL-LAX
2359-1515
LAX-AKL sector as
1030-2030+1

*without the AKL-SYD rtn
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:20 am

ZK-OKN returns 2245 Sunday NZ6015 VCV-AKL.

http://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/Fli...rmation/ArrivalsAndDepartures.aspx

PA515
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:38 pm

It seems to me that NZ is going to be flush with 77E capacity even after adding EZE and IAH. They show no fleet reduction for the type before FY2020 so assume the leased birds ( 4? ) are committed to at least till then. Another unrelated matter, I wonder if NZ will find it necessary to compete against the UA and AA extended pitch Y section. I hope so. Their upcharge to Y+ is nothing less than usurious.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 194):
It seems to me that NZ is going to be flush with 77E capacity even after adding EZE and IAH.

With the 763 starting to leave next year, it looks like the 772 is taking over more of its short-haul routes. e.g AKL-CNS will be getting an 772 next winter.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:21 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 193):
ZK-OKN returns 2245 Sunday NZ6015 VCV-AKL.

http://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/Fli...rmation/ArrivalsAndDepartures.aspx

PA515

And she is already back in the schedule as well: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKOKN
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:58 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 195):
e.g AKL-CNS will be getting an 772 next winter.

an expensive way of providing lift to a leisure destination .! I wonder how many other lower yielding destinations are going to get this higher cost lift?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:06 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 197):
an expensive way of providing lift to a leisure destination .! I wonder how many other lower yielding destinations are going to get this higher cost lift?

The 772 has allot of cargo space, which can be sold at high yielding rates on the Tasman. The asset cost on them would be lower, than the brand new 789 that they need to get maximum revenue from.

The 772 has 44 Premium Economy seats, which is now sold as Premium Economy on short haul services. You probably find that they sell PE pretty well short-haul as its 2-3x cheaper than Business Class on short haul.

The 772 also goes to NAN,RAR,APW all from AKL. Its not really that different to AKL-MEL/BNE getting an daily 77W, both of these flights are lesisure timed, departing AKL at 0825 and 0935 and both flights leave aussie around midday.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 167

Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 190):
I wonder if it has ever been considered to extend the SYD-RAR to LAX rather than one of the AKL-RAR service's.?

I've often wondered why they don't, it seems so logical to me.

But because they don't, I've also wondered if there are commercial considerations against it - are they concerned that SYD-RAR-LAX might steal pax from SYD-AKL-LAX, perhaps? Or, coming the other way, divert potential US pax away from AKL?

Even so, I think it would be well worth the try.

mariner

[Edited 2015-11-28 12:18:44]

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