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Official: Boeing Drops "X" From 777-8 And -9

Tue Nov 10, 2015 6:46 pm

As per FlightGlobal: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...om-stretched-777-designati-418791/

No more "X" in the Next Generation of the 777. From now on, individual models are known as simply 777-8 and 777-9.

Interestingly enough, the family will remain advertised as "777X".
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RE: Official: Boeing Drops "X" From 777-8 And -9

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:32 pm

why cant it be 777-800 and 777-900 like how the 777-200 and 777-300 are? what is the reasoning of removing the 2 zeros?
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
why cant it be 777-800 and 777-900 like how the 777-200 and 777-300 are? what is the reasoning of removing the 2 zeros?

Just to align with what they've started since 787

787-8
747-8i
737-8 max
and now, 777-8

I actually kinda dislike how painfully long some plane names have become. Instead of clean names like A319, now we have

Boeing 7...4...7..dash....8...i.....in...ter...con....ti....nen....tal

or

Airbus A....3...2..1...L....R....n...e...o

or

Airbus A...3...3...0...dash...9...0...0...n...e....o
 
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RE: Official: Boeing Drops "X" From 777-8 And -9

Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:39 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

It's more simple, which is the trend nowadays. The 2 zeroes removed, when it comes to Boeing aircraft, don't really matter anymore as there is no difference between a 777-36NER or -309ER like there was for the 707s between different customers.

Although, I liked the customer codes because they make the designation more interesting.

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Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:56 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
No more "X" in the Next Generation of the 777. From now on, individual models are known as simply 777-8 and 777-9.

I never took much time thinking about it, so I take the "X" was for Next Generation.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
Interestingly enough, the family will remain advertised as "777X".

That makes sense as when you talk about the family the X mark the difference from those designed and built since 1990, while when you mention the the -8 or -9 it immediately says NG's aircraft.

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 3):
It's more simple, which is the trend nowadays.

They are a bit late with that. Down in Long Beach they did it years ago.

BTW, I love the livery shown on the link's picture, great color.

[Edited 2015-11-10 11:59:31]
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
I actually kinda dislike how painfully long some plane names have become. Instead of clean names like A319, now we have

Well technically it is the A319-100, with the 00 a placeholder for the engine selection. I think technically, the Neos are A320-200N(eo), A319-100N(eo) and A321-200N(eo)
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:46 pm

From what I can tell, the long-range 321 is called the A321LR, not neoLR or LRneo or whatever.
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:51 pm

At least they weren't using something really absurd, like XWB.
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Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:53 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 7):
At least they weren't using something really absurd, like XWB.

Yes, but you know why Airbus did it.
 
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RE: Official: Boeing Drops "X" From 777-8 And -9

Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
Interestingly enough, the family will remain advertised as "777X".
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
That makes sense as when you talk about the family the X mark the difference from those designed and built since 1990, while when you mention the the -8 or -9 it immediately says NG's aircraft.

Why X though instead of Next Generation a la the 737?
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:11 am

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 9):
Why X though instead of Next Generation a la the 737?

It's different. No need to be confusing.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:13 am

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 8):
Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 7):
At least they weren't using something really absurd, like XWB.

Yes, but you know why Airbus did it.

It won't be XWB from a passenger perspective once an airline manages to make one 10 abreast in Y  
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:24 am

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 9):
Why X though instead of Next Generation a la the 737?

Marketing?

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 11):
It won't be XWB from a passenger perspective once an airline manages to make one 10 abreast in Y

This is now, XWB was then. I get your good point though.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
I actually kinda dislike how painfully long some plane names have become. Instead of clean names like A319, now we have [...]

That really only applies to the A32S though. Boeing's naming scheme for commercial jets has been that way since the 707, and Airbus did the same. Really, even 747-8i is less syllables than we used to have with 747-400. And when you start shortening it to 748 you have no difference. Not that I don't agree that the "I" and "X" are kind of superfluous.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
No more "X" in the Next Generation of the 777.

Finally!


Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
Boeing 7...4...7..dash....8..

Bah!!   

I don't care how much/long Boeing executives push it-- the 747 will always be "Seven Forty Seven" to me, never "7-4-7"

Most other AvGeeks I know feel the same.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
why cant it be 777-800 and 777-900 like how the 777-200 and 777-300 are? what is the reasoning of removing the 2 zeros?

Why can't it be 777-400 and 777-500 - or 777-4 and 777-5? Has 8 become associated with riches in the West too? I expect nothing less than a Feng-shui lavatory! Please don't stick the toilet against the galley wall!
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:19 am

Quoting TheFlyingDisk (Reply 9):
Why X though instead of Next Generation a la the 737?

Although the formal name of the 777-200LR/300ER/F program was "Longer Range 777," it's occasionally been known informally as "777NG." The NG moniker may also feel "old" to Boeing at this point given that it applies to the outgoing 737 variants.

777X is concise, unique, and informative. I think it's a good name.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:38 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 16):
Although the formal name of the 777-200LR/300ER/F program was "Longer Range 777," it's occasionally been known informally as "777NG."

It used to be called the 777X as well - Mulally himself referred to it as such. The X was dropped once it was "off the drawing board and in the catalogue."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mulally-president-of-boeing-64165/

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Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:23 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 14):
"A Three Thirty," "A Three Twenty,"

...do folks from Airbus use anything different? I've never heard anything but the above.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:52 am

No official name? Good. Imagine if they had called it 777-9 MAX.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:43 am

Quoting incitatus (Reply 15):
Why can't it be 777-400 and 777-500 - or 777-4 and 777-5?

Totally agree with you! I think today putting -8, -9 or even -10 (or 900, 800 and 1000 in the case of A-350) from marketing perspective it would be "more modern".

It would be nice to see 777-4 and 777-5 because in 5 years or more they will make the 777-9 MAX or NG keeping the current number designation.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:55 am

Should have kept the -hundred series classification.


-8 and 9 makes no sense.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
No official name? Good. Imagine if they had called it 777-9 MAX.

777-9 Comfortliner
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:05 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 22):
777-9 Comfortliner

at 10 across? good joke!

I avoid the 777 because of it's lack of comfort.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:09 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 22):
777-9 Comfortliner

Indeed, but only for about a quarter of the passengers on board.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
No more "X" in the Next Generation of the 777.

I guess we all knew that this was going to happen. Now it is official.  
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:20 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
hat is the reasoning of removing the 2 zeros?

Boeing made a conscious decision with the 787 to drastically wind back the amount of customisation they were permitting individual customers to make, the tracking of which was one of the original reasons that the Customer Code system came into use. With the removal of the customer code the zeros that filled the space have been removed too.

Quoting a380787 (Reply 2):
Just to align with what they've started since 787

787-8
747-8i
737-8 max
and now, 777-8

The exception of course is that to the best of my knowledge the 747-8 series aircraft are still allocated customer codes. The 777F also receives them but with no series number, ie 777-F60 for ET's frames. Similar to the 747 SPs and SRs, ie 747SP-38 for QF.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:56 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 18):

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 14):
"A Three Thirty," "A Three Twenty,"

...do folks from Airbus use anything different? I've never heard anything but the above.

Seems like BA crews always say "Airbus 320" and leave out the "A" before "A320."
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:42 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 4):
I never took much time thinking about it, so I take the "X" was for Next Generation.

It was "X" for "eXperimental" - as in the plane was still in the design stage. As Erebus noted in Reply 17, the 777-200LR and 777-300ER were known as the 777-200X and 777-300X during their development in the early 2000s.



Quoting incitatus (Reply 15):
Why can't it be 777-400 and 777-500 - or 777-4 and 777-5?

I imagine it is to reflect that 777 family is adopting 787 technology. This was the reason Boeing calls the latest 747 model the 747-8.
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
It was "X" for "eXperimental" - as in the plane was still in the design stage.

Interesting as I almost mentioned that possibility but thought I might be too old school. Well...
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:13 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 27):
Seems like BA crews always say "Airbus 320" and leave out the "A" before "A320."

Well, yeah. The "A" stands for Airbus -- wouldn't make much sense to say "Airbus Airbus 320", now would it?
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 28):
I imagine it is to reflect that 777 family is adopting 787 technology. This was the reason Boeing calls the latest 747 model the 747-8.

Still hate it, but that explanation makes perfect sense. Never thought of it that way.
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:43 pm

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 30):
Well, yeah. The "A" stands for Airbus -- wouldn't make much sense to say "Airbus Airbus 320", now would it?

Actually, I think the "A" stands for "A."

You see "Airbus A320" and "Airbus A380" in print all over the place.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:12 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
Imagine if they had called it 777-9 MAX.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 32):
You see "Airbus A320" and "Airbus A380" in print all over the place.

I've always said the same as well.

Though funnily enough, I never put a "B" in front of a Boeing's designation, and never really saw it in print either, except on AvGeek forums.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:18 am

Why not call it the 777-400 and the 777-500? Or at least 777-4 or 777-5. Why skip all the way to the number 8? And please don't tell me that people in Asia find the number 8 to be lucky. I have a hard time believing that a corporation would make such a large financial decision such as an aircraft order based on whether it has an 8 in it or not.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 33):
Though funnily enough, I never put a "B" in front of a Boeing's designation, and never really saw it in print either, except on AvGeek forums.

ICAO type designators for Boeing aircraft always use a B in front (but not IATA).
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 34):
Why not call it the 777-400 and the 777-500? Or at least 777-4 or 777-5.

Perhaps just to make them stand out compared to the previous generation from last century.  
Quoting BC77008 (Reply 34):
Why skip all the way to the number 8? And please don't tell me that people in Asia find the number 8 to be lucky. I have a hard time believing that a corporation would make such a large financial decision such as an aircraft order based on whether it has an 8 in it or not.

If this is what it takes to please your customers because their passengers like it better that way for whatever reason. They are not reaching for the stars. Wouldn't you do it if it might secure you a good customer?

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Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:31 am

The marketing names for Airbus aircraft have an A. Airbus calls their biggest-selling aircraft the "Airbus A320."

The marketing names for Boeing aircraft have no B. Boeing calls their biggest-selling aircraft the "Boeing 737-800."

IATA type codes are three digits and do not have an A or B (320, 738).

ICAO type codes are four digits and do, for most types, have the A or B (A320, B738).

One assumes the 777-9 will have IATA code 779 and ICAO code B779.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:58 am

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 34):

Why not call it the 777-400 and the 777-500? Or at least 777-4 or 777-5. Why skip all the way to the number 8? And please don't tell me that people in Asia find the number 8 to be lucky. I have a hard time believing that a corporation would make such a large financial decision such as an aircraft order based on whether it has an 8 in it or not.

That's exactly it. All the recent models from both Airbus and Boeing strongly feature the number 8 and it's to appeal to the Asian market who will order in big numbers = $$$$.

The number 4 means 'death' in Chinese or some similar tin-foil hat rubbish and the number 5 has negative connotations too.

If you think there's a chance of an Asian customer giving you a multi-billion dollar order for your product then if you've any sense you'll cram as many 8s in the name as you can!
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:04 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 38):

That didn't stop airlines in Asia from ordering boatloads of 747, many of them 400s or 737-400s.

The 8 thing is stupid.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:10 am

The sad thing is that both Boeing and Airbus are obsessed with 8 when the real airlines purchase based on economics not superstition.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:40 am

Quoting a380787 (Reply 40):

The sad thing is that both Boeing and Airbus are obsessed with 8 when the real airlines purchase based on economics not superstition.

Well, it can't hurt them to be marketing sensitive to the number 8 which has great meanings in Asia.  
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 7):
At least they weren't using something really absurd, like XWB.
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 8):

Yes, but you know why Airbus did it.

The "Xtra Wide Body" is a misnomer. The 350 is narrower than any 747, not to mention the A380 and the two big ones from Antonov. That XWB is a joke name, and Airbus needs to stop calling it that.

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 41):
Well, it can't hurt them to be marketing sensitive to the number 8 which has great meanings in Asia.
Quoting RobK (Reply 38):
If you think there's a chance of an Asian customer giving you a multi-billion dollar order for your product then if you've any sense you'll cram as many 8s in the name as you can!

Most of UA's Asian flights are the 800-series, incidentally. Only a couple are(SFO-KIX comes to mind).No surprise there.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:07 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 42):
The "Xtra Wide Body" is a misnomer. The 350 is narrower than any 747, not to mention the A380 and the two big ones from Antonov.

Not to mention the 777.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:01 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 42):
The "Xtra Wide Body" is a misnomer.

I remember the day it was launched with orders from SQ, IIRC. "XWB" made complete sense that day, and I see no harm in using it now as well.

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:10 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 42):
The "Xtra Wide Body" is a misnomer. The 350 is narrower than any 747, not to mention the A380 and the two big ones from Antonov. That XWB is a joke name, and Airbus needs to stop calling it that.

The same can be said of the "Dreamliner", for who is it a dream? Sitting in a seat with 16.9" of seat width won't be for the passenger and I doubt they named it for the accountants...or at least hope they didn't. It's a name, if you compare it on its own it makes no sense as you say (its not the widest), but why it is named XWB makes sense.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting Freshside3 (Reply 42):
The "Xtra Wide Body" is a misnomer. The 350 is narrower than any 747, not to mention the A380 and the two big ones from Antonov. That XWB is a joke name, and Airbus needs to stop calling it that.

The XWB was added after Airbus decided to not build the A350 on the original wide-body fuselage dimension (A300, 310, 330, 340), and that was at least in part due to Emirates' rejection of the idea. The XWB is not there to compare with 747s and A380s.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 15):
Why can't it be 777-400 and 777-500 - or 777-4 and 777-5?

Hmmm,
a 777-250NG and a 777-350NG would fit the changes better.

sizewise the -8 is between the -200 and -300 models
the -9 is above the -300
both get new wings and improved engines ergo "NG"  
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:55 pm

Quoting enzo011 (Reply 45):

The same can be said of the "Dreamliner"

It's sort of a nickname, while XWB is a part of official model designation. You can discuss nicknames too, even call them "sort of official", but in this case it's irrelevant.

Speaking of XWB, since "old" 350 never materialized, I'd say it can be dropped whatsoever.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:04 pm

Quoting RIX (Reply 48):
It's sort of a nickname, while XWB is a part of official model designation. You can discuss nicknames too, even call them "sort of official", but in this case it's irrelevant.

XWB is not any more official than "Dreamliner". The official model designation is the A350-900 (or -1000), not A350XWB-900 or A350-900XWB.

Airbus uses the XWB nomenclature to refer to the A350 family as a whole, just like Boeing uses for the Dreamliner moniker for the 787 family. They are both marketing names.

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