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MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 11:51 pm
by ThePinnacleKid
The MRJ is about to fly for the first time... live stream:

http://m.ustream.tv/channel/NtahYVsFWxG

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:14 am
by SonomaFlyer
That must be a really long check list they are working on...

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:14 am
by F9Animal
Awesome!!! Thanks ThePinnacleKid! Let's hope she gets in the air today. Must be a looooong checklist! LOL! Either that, or the pilots are praying. Can't wait to see this baby in action.

[Edited 2015-11-10 16:17:36]

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:23 am
by A342
Seems they're taxiing now???

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:28 am
by petertenthije
The stream broke down while holding short of the runway.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:31 am
by A342
It's there again, but with a stationary picture. Come on!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:32 am
by F9Animal
Ughhhhh!!! Why? Why does it have to stream have to act up?!!!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:34 am
by surfpunk
Still holding at the end of the runway. Not sure why.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:35 am
by A342
Now ON the runway! Could take off any second...

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:36 am
by rj777
She's up! She flies!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:36 am
by mwh787
Beautiful takeoff perfect!!!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:38 am
by zululima
Almost no rotation, just leapt into the air. Heading out with gear down of course.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:39 am
by teme82
It's flying! Stream is laggy.. but it flies! Great milestone for Aviation in Japan!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:40 am
by A342
Awesome! Congrats Mitsubishi!   

Now, how am I supposed to go to bed now?!?   


BTW, what chase aircraft is that? T-4?

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:41 am
by A342
Stream interrupted, to restart approx. 15 minutes before landing. Scheduled flight time approx. one hour.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:43 am
by F9Animal
AWESOME!!! It was a beautiful takeoff! She looks amazing. Congrats to Mitsubishi and Japan! I am so excited to fly on this beautiful bird. She looks like a hornet, but so elegant. The regional market is going to be so neat. Can't wait till the C-Series is out too. This is a aviation geeks dream come true.

I have to salute the men and women who bravely climb into these planes, and take them on their first flights. Test pilots are a rare breed, and so so brave. Today is a great day! LOL! Is my geek coming out or what?

[Edited 2015-11-10 16:45:19]

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:44 am
by petertenthije
Live stream has been disabled, but will be back in a little over an hour for the landing.

The stream will be back at 10:55 JST with landing expected at 11:10 JST.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:46 am
by F9Animal
Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
what chase aircraft is that? T-4?

It almost looks like a Jaguar? I was so focused on the MRJ though.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:47 am
by BMcD
Beautiful take-off, I couldn't believe the amount of people around the fences watching it take off. Good luck to the MRJ and Japan!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:49 am
by teme82
I think this occasion is good for me to have a drink of sake. I got one bottle lying in some where... Kampai!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:53 am
by petertenthije

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:12 am
by MavyWavyATR
Does anyone have a lead on the MRJ on Flightradar 24? I tried searching the NKM airspace for it, but I couldn't find it.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:33 am
by A342
I might be somewhat off in terms of time, but shouldn't they land pretty soon?

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:49 am
by larshjort
According to the stream the scheduled landing time is in 20 minutes and stream will start in 5. 5 minutes to the hour.

/Lars

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:50 am
by vatveng
Live stream just came back up.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:00 am
by 38m
Just watched the take off and now waiting for the landing....
Congrats Mitsubishi and Japan!

Now.. does anyone know what happened to Kawasaki YPX?

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:03 am
by petertenthije
Just landed.


This message is not too short.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:04 am
by A342
Landed, and I missed it!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:06 am
by MavyWavyATR
Nice landing; despite a small bounce on touchdown.

I found it weird that they didn't use RT for the landing; does anyone know why the pilot didn't use it?

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:20 am
by A342
Are the pilots stuck in the aircraft?   

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:27 am
by petertenthije
Next to the L1 door there seems to be a thingy reflecting the light. It looks like a angle of attack measurement vane. I wonder if this is a vane for flight testing or if this is the definitive vane. I am not sure having this vane immediately next to the main door is smart as passengers could (accidentally) grab it or staircases/gates bump into it.

[Edited 2015-11-10 18:28:04]

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:51 am
by lightsaber
Congratulations to Mitsubishi. This is exciting. The cargo hold/turn time is innovative.

Engine #3 for Pratt's small GTF high spool.   

Lightsaber

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:36 am
by ghajdufi

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RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:22 pm
by CARST
Great to see a new airline program doing well (despite the delays). Everything new to the market is good.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 3:00 pm
by JAAlbert
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 31):
The cargo hold/turn time is innovative.

What does the innovative cargo hold/turn time refer to?

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:04 pm
by ODwyerPW
Really nice looking plane. Cool to hear the excitement from the reporters as it took off.

Interesting positioning of this plane.

MRJ90 really looks to compete almost directly with the Embraer 175-E2
(albeit with much less range.. unless you go for the LR with can compete with the 175-E2 @ std range)

MRJ70 occupies a space currently filled by the Embraer 170
(again albeit with much less range... unless you go for the LR offers the same 1800nmi as the 170 @ std range)

Will be interesting what decision they take on a future MRJ110 stretch (just at 100pax).

Mitsubishi was quoted as saying with scope clauses they thought US carriers would be more interested in the MRJ70.
Meanwhile Asia and Europe would take the MRJ90.
However, in fact the US is responsible for the majority of the orders (170 firm orders w/ 170 options) and they are all MRJ90.
(though not sure about the Eastern Airline orders as they just started charter service months ago)
No one has placed a firm order for the MRJ70 shrink.
Not to hard to imagine that airlines will press for the stretch.

Can't wait for the test flight program to start providing feedback on the performance, reliability, etc.. of this fine looking aircraft.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:16 pm
by lightsaber
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 34):
What does the innovative cargo hold/turn time refer to?

Mitsubishi worked on ensuring the baggage could be turned far quicker than in the Bombardier and Embraer products. That is why the cargo hold is at the back of the aircraft instead of below the passengers. For this size of aircraft, the cargo hold isn't tall enough for baggage handlers to turn the aircraft as quickly as larger aircraft; think about them having to worry about bumping their heads while moving baggage. An intentional weight penalty was taken for the sake of faster aircraft turn times when the aft cargo hold was selected. Mitsubishi also put in other features to speed turn time (some was just ensuring the engines could thrust up quickly).

Partially this is due as Mitsubishi picked Hawaiian airlines as a potential customer. (or a competitor in the islands).

Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 35):
Not to hard to imagine that airlines will press for the stretch.

The US airlines will press for a lower weight version. I'm not sure if the current shrink is quite right for them. If Mitsubishi is able to get weight out of the MR9, the US airlines would happily take it.

Almost all of the union contracts with the major U.S. carriers—with Alaska Airlines being one notable exception—forbid them from outsourcing flying to any aircraft certificated in the U.S. with an MTOW exceeding 86,000 lb. But the specifications Embraer just unveiled for its E175-E2 show an MTOW of 97,731 lb. Mitsubishi Aircraft's specifications for the MRJ90 indicate an MTOW of 87,303 lb. for the standard model, 90,378 lb. for the extended range and 94,358 lb. for the long range, and its MR70LR is about 2,600 lb. over the contractual maximum.

http://aviationweek.com/awin/scope-clauses-may-affect-use-new-rjs

So a small weight reduction of the basic MR9 frame would help sell them to US airlines by getting under the 86,000 lb maximum weight due to scope clauses.


Lightsaber

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:38 pm
by mats01776
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
For this size of aircraft, the cargo hold isn't tall enough for baggage handlers to turn the aircraft as quickly as larger aircraft; think about them having to worry about bumping their heads while moving baggage.

Agreed.
The following video illustrates the task involved baggage handling under the floor of an regional jet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1K8PmwevYQ

Definitely not a job for a person with a back problem.

[Edited 2015-11-12 04:39:37]

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:05 pm
by sassiciai
Quoting Mats01776 (Reply 37):

The following video illustrates the task involved baggage handling under the floor of an regional jet:

Thanks for sharing this, it's quite an eye-opener! It all seems so primitive and not really thought through, and relies on grunt effort from a couple of guys. Not very 21st century looking! With a little more creativity and borrowing from the solutions found on main deck freighters amongst others, surely something more efficient could be deployed quite cheaply!

Too small for any container approach. Some of these cases are BIG! Even just some rows of rollers would help!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:50 pm
by lightsaber
Quoting sassiciai (Reply 38):

Or like Mitsubishi, move the cargo to the tail. Rollers take height and weight. The first MRJ concept had underfloor cago. One (Hamilton, IIRC) engineer discussed why business jets put cargo aft so Mitsubishi looked into it. Once the turn time study was completed, the decision was made.

It is very unusual for an aircraft with underwing engines to have an tail cargo hold.
http://www.mrj-japan.com/press_releases/news_090909.html

Just ignore 1st flight 2Q2012...

Lightsaber

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:31 am
by ODwyerPW
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
Once the turn time study was completed, the decision was made. It is very unusual for an aircraft with underwing engines to have an tail cargo hold.

That is a really cool solution. Thanks for finding those details for us.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 36):
So a small weight reduction of the basic MR9 frame would help sell them to US airlines by getting under the 86,000 lb maximum weight due to scope clauses.

Again, really neat if the plane can be lightened to satisfy those scope clauses. Thanks for include that detail as well!

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:04 am
by LandSweetLand
Quoting petertenthije (Reply 20):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J55N5rDSL48

It's nice to see a good looking aircraft from a new manufacturer.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:06 am
by queb
Quoting ODwyerPW (Reply 40):
Again, really neat if the plane can be lightened to satisfy those scope clauses. Thanks for include that detail as well!

According to Leeham News, the current MTOW is 94,350 lb, I don't see how they can remove 8,000 lb without affect range significantly. Same problem for the E175E2, who have a 98,450 lb MTOW.

http://leehamnews.com/2015/11/13/bjorns-corner-mrj90-first-flight/


RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:02 pm
by vfw614
My understanding is that right from the beginning there was a large aft cargo compartment. What go eliminated at a later stage was a small underfloor compartment - by resizing the existing aft compartment.

RE: MRJ First Flight Live

Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:29 pm
by ODwyerPW
Quoting queb (Reply 42):
According to Leeham News, the current MTOW is 94,350 lb

But you picked the MRJ90LR. Perhaps the lightening effort will be geared towards the MRJ90STD which is only 1300lbs over the scope clauses.
Granted such a target leaves this regional jet with a reduced range compared to the 175-E2...

However, if the range is not needed and it's 12000 lbs lighter than the closest Embraer offering, than it should meet the requirements for quite a few operators.