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Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:25 pm

There have been lots of expansion news regarding EVA Air during the past few months
Some of which were widely discussed on A.net
Now, there are more news coming:

1) BR CEO stated that, likely by late-Nov, the airline will complete an order with Boeing for 20 Boeing 787-10, 4 Boeing 787-9, and 2 Boeing 777-300ER.
2) 7 Boeing 777-300ERs and 6 Airbus A321s will be delivered next year. The 777-300ER fleet will hit the 30-jet benchmark by 2017 while the overall fleet count will reach 100 by 2020. Once Chinese transit passengers are allowed to transit via Taiwan, target fleet size will be drastically increased.
3) Major North American expansion: 2x daily JFK, 3x daily SFO, 6x weekly IAH, new destinations IAD, ORD. Flights to N.A. will reach 77/week by end of 2016.
4) Considering new European destinations: MXP and BCN
5) Intra-Asia expansion: More frequencies to SE Asia and new routes to DEL, CEB
6) EGAS likely to get orders for 30 Boeing 767 BCF conversion by late 2015 and 737 BCF conversions.
7) Advertisement with Hollywood superstar (rumoured to be George Clooney) underway

Sources: http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20151112001023-260410
http://www.chinatimes.com/realtimenews/20151112001024-260410

As for the new livery, BR will take delivery of the first jet with new livery on 11 Nov and hold press conferences then. The airline will also update its logo, deleting the orange line from the tail.
A press release from Boeing is already available (thanks to Miami): http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-11-...0ER-Delivery-with-Brand-New-Livery
The livery and new logo are designed by Seattle-based firm Teague: https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2...member-of-the-wavy-cheatline-club/


Below is the latest BR advertisement: Taipei-the Best Link to Cross the Pacific
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12195980_530919913721863_5908024663608310846_n.jpg?oh=7462418c0e3193bd532e088f28bfeaba&oe=56B56BE1

[Edited 2015-11-11 13:36:30]
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:31 pm

Thanks for the very detailed information, kaichinshih. Very helpful.

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
(thanks to Miami)

  Thank you once again!
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:32 pm

More information:
New uniform debut second half of 2016
3 new boarding music (ocarina) introduced along with new livery. Music composed by award-winning composer Ricky Ho.
More details: https://talkairlines.wordpress.com/2...member-of-the-wavy-cheatline-club/

[Edited 2015-11-11 15:46:59]
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:05 am

3 daily SFO, time to find some gate space. I'm curious if the 3rd daily will be

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
3) Major North American expansion: 2x daily JFK, 3x daily SFO, 6x weekly IAH, new destinations IAD, ORD. Flights to N.A. will reach 77/week by end of 2016.

Well they just about have STAR hubs of UA covered. Any date given for SFO to go 3 daily?
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:34 am

Any word on what the CEB schedule will be? I have family that fly to CEB on a regular bases, ant it will be nice to have another option to try.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:51 am

Quoting flyinggoat (Reply 4):

Unfortunately the only released information is that CEB will be launched in March 2016
Schedule and aircraft type are still under planning and yet to be disclosed.
Follow AirlineTrends.com to have the latest info on the CEB schedules 

[Edited 2015-11-11 17:53:36]
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:05 am

I hope they have some sort of intention to fly MIA in the near future. Small market but great premium demand.

I've heard rumors, though, I'm not betting on it. And no. They are not the "secret airline" MIA is expecting later this month.

Regardless, good luck to EVA Air.
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:36 am

I think SFO is already 17 weekly so an additional 4 frequencies is not too big of a deal. That third flight leaves around midnight so gate space should be fine.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:45 am

As far as SFO, they might try a schedule like UA. Arrive early morning at around 0730 and depart around 1300. This will get them into TPE at around 1800 the following day.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:50 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
I hope they have some sort of intention to fly MIA in the near future.

I doubt they will. If anything, it will have to be a 1-stop route. If that stop is in the US, there's no point in not using a *A partner. TPE-MIA non-stop is simply out of the economical range of any of BR's fleet. I imagine the four 789 are for NYC flights -- four aircraft will allow them to fly non-stop each way daily with reasonable confidence (possibly even double-daily). If an aircraft goes tech, they should be able to pick up any delays by tightening up the schedule of the other three aircraft.

Having said that, I don't think that the 789 fleet will remain at four -- I imagine some additional aircraft will be leased to bolster the fleet.

TPE-MIA is 7500-some nm according to GC Map, while the 789 is shown as having 7600-some nm range (2-class, 290 pax config). However, that doesn't take into account winds and stuff. The 77W is shown has having 7300-some nm range, putting it out of the running entirely (although BR flies the 77W N/S to NYC -- but is rumoured to take a payload hit).
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:57 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):
They are not the "secret airline" MIA is expecting later this month.

How large a market is MIA TPE? I recall rumors of CI being interested in the route.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:03 am

So they're jumping for the big planes again? Kind of a shame, I was hoping that they'd go for some more of a smaller craft like 332Neo's or 789's, I guess 788's don't have as much interest at this point. Both BR and CI seem to be focusing strongly on big craft, rather than any smaller widebody craft, that would allow them to try out smaller markets.

If it were so, then...

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
3x daily SFO

Could have been the addition of 1x SJC instead. But unless one of those only 4 789's are destined for SJC by some miracle, I doubt that will happen, and I don't know what's up with the 332's, aren't those regionally configured?
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:08 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 9):
it will have to be a 1-stop route.

Of course. It has no other choice.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
How large a market is MIA TPE? I

Market isn't very big but it is a high-yield, premium heavy market. Plus Taipei is one of Asian cities with the strongest business and cultural ties to Miami.

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 10):
I recall rumors of CI being interested in the route.

Yes. China Airlines and EVA Air has expressed some interest.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 12):

Of course. It has no other choice.

YVR - No existing service to MIA or FLL.

YUL - No existing service to TPE.

Of course, the question whether it would be MCO or MIA comes up, since it really could end up as either.

However, IAD would likely be the next priority for BR before MIA/MCO. Once they have connectivity to all the *A hubs (except maybe DEN), then they may investigate other routes like that.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting S75752 (Reply 13):
whether it would be MCO or MIA

MCO does not have enough business traffic.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:10 am

Any change BR will return to RGN? It would be nice if someone provided a well timed SEA-XXX-RGN route.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:17 am

Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 7):

You say that now, but with the additions of UA and other carrier flying, you'd be surprised. There is now Copa as well as UA TLV/AKL/XIY flights in the G concourse. Assume Swiss goes 13 weekly like this summer and its much more challenging.

I've worked the international gate board and it getting tough to fit everyone in. And as Legacyins said, if they try and move up a departure on one of their flights, good luck!
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:21 am

Crazy. It seemed like it would have enough capacity forever when it opened in 2000.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 16):
Quoting SFOA380 (Reply 17):

Are Lingus is entering into IAG so that's one flight that could move over to concourse A, but that'll only marginally improve the gate situation.

Does UA have any spare space in 3E and 3F to squeeze AC in (which are pre cleared already and don't need the FIS)?
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 4:53 am

Is there a start date for IAD yet? What equipment will be used?
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:33 am

Why no swap with CI on FRA? CDG for CI would have been extremely logical, and vice-versa!
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:01 am

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 9):
Having said that, I don't think that the 789 fleet will remain at four -- I imagine some additional aircraft will be leased to bolster the fleet.

Was also surprised to see just 4 - perhaps these will be used to open up new (European) routes.

Having said this, a destination like AMS should also be better off with higher frequency and smaller aircraft. Now they operate 3x weekly a 77W which seems somewhat large.
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:07 am

Quoting YYZflyboy (Reply 20):

Germany is Taiwan's largest European trade partner
Point-to-point traffic between TPE and FRA is also huge
As a matter of fact, per AirlineRoutes.net, CI is making TPE-FRA daily with the 77W next year
Thus explains why CI is clinging on to FRA
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:16 am

Be nice if BNE sees an increase.
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:42 am

My guess is the 787-800 is to replace their A330-200 fleet. I recalled something was stated few months ago and BR was at one time, considering A330-NEO, but just my guess and I could be wrong.
Interesting enough is the mix of 788 and 789. I don't think the 787 is destined to European locations either. Traffic between Taiwan direct to Europe would be hard to fill the seats and the premium passengers in Taiwan is less than, say from HK. Again, not an expert, but just an 'educated' guess.
BTW, just checked BR website, IST is now available as a destination, I think by March next year! This would compete with Turkish Airlines on that route heads on.

Very interesting to see their next move and looking forward to see the arrival of the new livery plus the new uniform. Curent FA uniform really ...sxck... And the cabin music.... not to my like either.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:07 am

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 22):

If that's the case, can BR not start direct flights to Munich?
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
Below is the latest BR advertisement: Taipei-the Best Link to Cross the Pacific

A very nice ad, indeed. Reminds me a bit of SimCity.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 22):
Germany is Taiwan's largest European trade partner
Point-to-point traffic between TPE and FRA is also huge
As a matter of fact, per AirlineRoutes.net, CI is making TPE-FRA daily with the 77W next year
Thus explains why CI is clinging on to FRA

Germany-TPE demand in 2014 was indeed big with FRA-TPE being 117,000 pax and MUC-TPE being 23,000 pax !

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
1) BR CEO stated that, likely by late-Nov, the airline will complete an order with Boeing for 20 Boeing 787-10, 4 Boeing 787-9, and 2 Boeing 777-300ER.

Why only 4 B789s? Is it for a specific long haul route? Also can the B781 fly with a full payload to YVR/SEA?

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
3) Major North American expansion: 2x daily JFK, 3x daily SFO, 6x weekly IAH, new destinations IAD, ORD. Flights to N.A. will reach 77/week by end of 2016.
4) Considering new European destinations: MXP and BCN

MXP-TPE demand in 2014 was 27,000 pax versus FCO-TPE being 36,000 (CI operates this route via DEL three times per week using an A333). Maximum required is a 3 weekly nonstop service on a B789 sized aircraft. BCN-TPE on the other hand was 15,000 pax and the same held true for MAD-TPE last year. I dont see the viability of Spain being added to BR's network. MXP has a bit of merit as it can also provide useful onward feed to SE Asia.

Instead of BCN, I would strongly suggest BR consider ZRH-TPE which had 28,000 pax point to point in 2014 with much higher yields good cargo potential major Star hub hence can provide incremental S/F with support from LX !

For USA-TPE 2014, demand was as follows:

NYC - 150K
LAX - 379K
SFO - 268K
IAH - 22K
SEA - 51K
ORD - 25K
IAD - 21K
YYZ - 35K
YVR - 91K

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
5) Intra-Asia expansion: More frequencies to SE Asia and new routes to DEL, CEB

Both are definitely required to provide feed to USA expansion also HAN-TPE needs to be increased to double daily similar to SGN-TPE !
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:28 pm

With YYZ demand higher than IAH/ORD/IAD; I'm surprised there's no planned increase to daily on their current 5x weekly.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:40 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 27):
MXP-TPE demand in 2014 was 27,000 pax versus FCO-TPE being 36,000 (CI operates this route via DEL three times per week using an A333). Maximum required is a 3 weekly nonstop service on a B789 sized aircraft. BCN-TPE on the other hand was 15,000 pax and the same held true for MAD-TPE last year. I dont see the viability of Spain being added to BR's network. MXP has a bit of merit as it can also provide useful onward feed to SE Asia.

Instead of BCN, I would strongly suggest BR consider ZRH-TPE which had 28,000 pax point to point in 2014 with much higher yields good cargo potential major Star hub hence can provide incremental S/F with support from LX !

Since when did BR ever worry about making money?????? When you got parent corporations deep pockets its like that joke about how to make a million $ in the airline business, start with 2.
 
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:55 pm

Crazy that SFO-TPE will grow to 5x daily (3xBR, 1xUA, 1xCI). I wonder if UA will stay on this route, yields must be falling with all this supply.
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:10 pm

Correct...UA is better off code sharing with BR on SFO TPE and in turn redeploy the two dedicated aircraft on this route on a less competitive segment.

I feel that UA should take a risk and launch SFO GRU nonstop with the B788 as it will get decent O&D traffic to California plus will enable to generate decent transfer feed to its large Asian network out of SFO plus LAS which is very popular with Brazilians!
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:24 pm

Congrats to BR on their recent success and continued growth. I have to say that I recently flew BKK-TPE-SFO in Royal Laurel (Business) class and the service was top notch. Excellent seat, in flight service, catering, and experience all around. One of my best ever trips, even better than SQ business class in my experience. Hoping that BR has continued success!

I'm flying again to TPE in a few weeks and am flying business with United. Am definitely dreading the trip now after being spoiled by BR.
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 5:48 pm

2X daily for JFK? Maybe they should consider using that 1 JFK slot to EWR? Schedule TPE-EWR arriving in the morning to take advantage of connections with UA, and leave EWR in mid day so UA can feed some of their passengers to BR on their way to TPE and beyond. TPE-JFK would strictly be O&D as it is now. This would be a win-win situation as there is a significant Taiwanese/Asian population in NJ as well. This might be a perfect route for the 789 they ordered.

[Edited 2015-11-12 09:53:41]
 
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Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:50 pm

I am quite interested to see they are considering 2 daily flights to JFK. Anyone know when the second would be? Their current flight-departing at 1:30 AM is helpful for me considering that I can get to the airport at any time during the day before (it is a 5 hour drive if the traffic is good) but then it leaves me hanging around the airport for a LONG time. I would love it if they would have an early evening departure. As to the payload hit they take on the 77W, it is not by leaving passengers behind. I have taken four flights with them between TPE and JFK and there was not a vacant seat that I saw on any of them.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:12 am

PTY has been after BR to re-start TPE-PTY for some time, specially since TPE and PTY are respective BR and CM Star Alliance hubs.
Grant that still a TPE-PTY flight must have stop in Japan and/or ANC, any stop in Canada or another U.S. airport en-route will kill the route from the day one.
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting SEPilot (Reply 34):
As to the payload hit they take on the 77W, it is not by leaving passengers behind. I have taken four flights with them between TPE and JFK and there was not a vacant seat that I saw on any of them.

I'm not aware of payload hits on the 77W on this route. Does it mean CX is taking a hit too?

The growth of BR in NA and JFK has been incredible in the past 5 years.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:19 pm

With the 787-9 coming in, it would be nice to see BR offer TPE to LHR direct without fear of needing BKK to "fill up" the remaining seats. Not sure how they would pass off BKK to LHR but considering the nature of the beast and TG being in Star Alliance as well with an A380 and a B77W a day now... The capacity must be appropriate.

With all sorts of Asian carriers also moving forward and marching into MAN, maybe a TPE - BKK - MAN 3 x Weekly could be viable?
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting ndhair37 (Reply 37):
With the 787-9 coming in, it would be nice to see BR offer TPE to LHR direct without fear of needing BKK to "fill up" the remaining seats.

They cant, the original UK-Taiwan ASA allows BR one stop flights to UK, when it was changed a few years ago and a 2nd Taiwan carrier was allowed , CI got the new flights which had to be non stop, which they only ran for what a year and half. CI reportedly have plans to resume that when their A359s arrive so doubtful BR can do non stops unless a new agreement allows them.

Quoting ndhair37 (Reply 37):
With all sorts of Asian carriers also moving forward and marching into MAN, maybe a TPE - BKK - MAN 3 x Weekly could be viable?

IIRC there are no pax rights for Taiwan carrier to MAN but cargo ok.

UK and Taiwan do not have an open skies agreement.
 
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Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
1) BR CEO stated that, likely by late-Nov, the airline will complete an order with Boeing for 20 Boeing 787-10, 4 Boeing 787-9, and 2 Boeing 777-300ER.

This is an impressive order for BR and Boeing.  
 
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Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:37 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 38):
IRC there are no pax rights for Taiwan carrier to MAN b
Quoting trex8 (Reply 38):
IIRC there are no pax rights for Taiwan carrier to MAN but cargo ok.
Airline route covered the revised bilateral

Manchester NEW Destination in the UK, up to 7 weekly
In the deal, Taiwanese carrier is allowed to operate 5th freedom traffic rights beyond Manchester for both passenger and cargo service.

Can't yet locate a newspaper article
 
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Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:20 am

Would be nice if BR could improve the timings of their BKK-TPE service to be more favorable for local O&D. I live in BKK and fly to TPE for work regularly, and the timings are lousy.

Going BKK-TPE isn't too bad - you arrive late afternoon or early evening - but you begin your trip with a night in a hotel rather than being able to get in a half day of work like you can if you fly TG or CI.

Going TPE-BKK, you are either leaving very early in the morning, necessitating another night's stay in TPE, or the late flights out don't arrive into BKK until as late as 2:30 am!

Also, any possibility of using TPE as a connection point for onwards travel to China (or anywhere else) is limited both by the schedule and the clunky BR website.
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RE: Major BR Expansion: 26 787 77W Order, MXP, BCN...

Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting YYZflyboy (Reply 20):
Why no swap with CI on FRA? CDG for CI would have been extremely logical, and vice-versa!
CI is also quite dumb by planning to fly FRA to it's max now, and will be even more stupid if they swap with CDG.

FRA has quite some business pax and has more frequencies than CDG between the bilateral.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 21):
Was also surprised to see just 4 - perhaps these will be used to open up new (European) routes.

Four is most likely not enough, I am unsure why they need that many 787-10, not an aircraft that fits with where TPE situates.

Quoting thai77w (Reply 23):
Be nice if BNE sees an increase.

If they deploy a larger aircraft than 332 here, is there a potential for increase?

Quoting celestar (Reply 24):
BTW, just checked BR website, IST is now available as a destination, I think by March next year! This would compete with Turkish Airlines on that route heads on.

...which makes you wonder, aren't they in the same alliance? I don't see them situate in IST for long if the purpose to enter IST is to compete, as TK got European feeds while BR still has to work with TK and other Star Alliance partners to get any transit traffic.

Quoting YYZflyboy (Reply 25):
If that's the case, can BR not start direct flights to Munich?

I believe there are no rights for a second carrier to enter.

Quoting airbusfanyyz (Reply 28):

With IAH/ORD/IAD; I'm surprised there's no planned increase to daily on their current 5x weekly.

There are no rights to increase.

Quoting trex8 (Reply 29):
Since when did BR ever worry about making money?????? When you got parent corporations deep pockets its like that joke about how to make a million $ in the airline business, start with 2.

Agree. The decision can be a failure in the airline management and the sea freight will still carry it like no problem.

Quoting bioyuki (Reply 30):
Crazy that SFO-TPE will grow to 5x daily (3xBR, 1xUA, 1xCI).
BR once said they wanted to increase LAX to 4x daily, but as of now all they did is fill the gap of off season 17x to 21x weekly, and the pax in seat % has been decreasing during off season. I wouldn't take their comments as hard coded until they start the 3rd flight and keep it at daily. I believe they also had wanted to do IAH to 1x daily but as of February next year it's only going to be 6x weekly, and the % is already decreasing since off season. Maybe belly will be enough since they are getting rid of all the cargo planes.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 31):
Correct...UA is better off code sharing with BR on SFO TPE and in turn redeploy the two dedicated aircraft on this route on a less competitive segment.

Does UA want to work with BR? I feel all the US airlines are so big headed that they are really not into working with other carriers in their alliance unless they have a JV.

Quoting flyinghippo (Reply 33):
2X daily for JFK? Maybe they should consider using that 1 JFK slot to EWR? Schedule TPE-EWR arriving in the morning to take advantage of connections with UA, and leave EWR in mid day so UA can feed some of their passengers to BR on their way to TPE and beyond.

I believe their EWR slots already went to CX. I don't see EWR coming back (unless they can get as big of a presence like CX where they need to expand elsewhere) since they dropped it off rather than keeping it as a destination.

Quoting ndhair37 (Reply 37):
With the 787-9 coming in, it would be nice to see BR offer TPE to LHR direct without fear of needing BKK to "fill up" the remaining seats.
Quoting trex8 (Reply 38):
They cant, the original UK-Taiwan ASA allows BR one stop flights to UK, when it was changed a few years ago and a 2nd Taiwan carrier was allowed , CI got the new flights which had to be non stop, which they only ran for what a year and half. CI reportedly have plans to resume that when their A359s arrive so doubtful BR can do non stops unless a new agreement allows them.

The second carrier can be BR if CI does not use the rights and BR petitions to have the rights. However, there is no way for BR to drop the BKK-LHR in favor of a TPE-LHR. Even if CI restarts LHR I find it difficult for them to maintain it as a destination as 1) you still cannot overfly some parts of China and 2) there just isn't enough pax (even with a 788).

Quoting ndhair37 (Reply 37):
With all sorts of Asian carriers also moving forward and marching into MAN, maybe a TPE - BKK - MAN 3 x Weekly could be viable?
Quoting trex8 (Reply 38):
IIRC there are no pax rights for Taiwan carrier to MAN but cargo ok.

UK and Taiwan do not have an open skies agreement.
Quoting david_itl (Reply 40):
Manchester NEW Destination in the UK, up to 7 weekly
In the deal, Taiwanese carrier is allowed to operate 5th freedom traffic rights beyond Manchester for both passenger and cargo service.

There are rights between Taiwan and UK on MAN but probably no more for Thailand as an intermediate stop in BKK.

Quoting christao17 (Reply 41):

Would be nice if BR could improve the timings of their BKK-TPE service to be more favorable for local O&D. I live in BKK and fly to TPE for work regularly, and the timings are lousy.

Also, any possibility of using TPE as a connection point for onwards travel to China (or anywhere else) is limited both by the schedule and the clunky BR website.

You are not their target customer as they focus on BKK-Europe and TPE-China (at least for the major destinations), not BKK-TPE or BKK-China.

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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:23 am

Quoting rwsea (Reply 32):

I'm flying again to TPE in a few weeks and am flying business with United. Am definitely dreading the trip now after being spoiled by BR.

Dreading a business class trip? Seriously?

Maybe if it were Angle Lie Flats, but they're not.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:34 am

[UPDATE]
Order now finalized
Source in original thread is incorrect
The order consists of 24 787-10 Dreamliners and two 777-300ER (Extended Range) jetliners.
No 787-9s are ordered
Boeing official media release: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2015-11-...-Ever-Commercial-Airplane-Purchase
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:40 am

Image taken by Manuel Negrerie at the signing ceremony in Taipei
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:57 am

Quoting kaichinshih (Reply 44):
The order consists of 24 787-10

Hmm, the press release says 'up to' 24 jets. Are we talking about a combination of firm orders and options?
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:46 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 46):
Hmm, the press release says 'up to' 24 jets. Are we talking about a combination of firm orders and options?

Part of the Boeing Press release says:

"EVA Airways currently operates more than 40 Boeing airplanes and with today's order, the airline's backlog will increase to 37 airplanes, which includes fourteen 777-300ERs, five 777 Freighters and eighteen 787-10s."

So could this mean 18 firm and 6 options?

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Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:51 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 47):
So could this mean 18 firm and 6 options?

Or 6 leased.
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Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting kaichinshih (Thread starter):
5) Intra-Asia expansion: More frequencies to SE Asia and new routes to DEL, CEB

Delhi is currentl;y a EVA cargo destination, they previously served Bombay in India with A332 in 2006/07 for just a year or so.

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