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Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:13 pm

With over 200 replies in Australian Aviation Thread Part 131 (by allrite Oct 25 2015 in Civil Aviation) Australian Aviation thread Part 132 is now open for boarding

In thread 131 we discussed

- EY to fly A380 on EY460/461 to MEL from 1st June 2016
- Woolworths pulls plug on QFF points
- difference between Woolworths rewards and flybuys through Coles
- QF resumes seasonal PER-AKL
- VA 77W operations, where to fly the aircraft if they dropped AUH
- AC moves forward BNE launch from 17 June to 1 June 2016
- EY rumour, 789 to replace A332
- VA new domestic terminal at PER to open 22 November 2015
- QF's order for 5 789's hits Boeings books
- ACCC set to approve VA/EY alliance for another 5 years
- AA's 77W promotional visit to SYD
- Unidentified US Airforce 757 in Australia, why?
- JQ's sunglass hut decal on A320
- QF's previous order patterns
- QF to unveil Retro Roo II on 16 November 2015
- UA 772 stick at SYD again
- AC 77L had bird strike on arrival into SYD
- Will QF bring back Wunala for their 100th anniversary
- CX to fly a freighter as a once off into Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport
- MU to commence BNE flights, per airlineroute
- Fly Pelican announces flights from NCL-BNK
- VARA fleet
- QF increases PER-SIN to daily year round
- QF to operate SYD-HKG 12 weekly year round
- QF's welcome home campaign
- HU to operate 2 weekly XIY-SYD from 23 December 2015
- QF announces 5 weekly SYD-MNL will now be year round
- EK A380 has engine trouble taxiing in SYD, spotted in a QF hanger
- PER airport to get $36 million upgrade landing and lighting systems (CATIII)
- Alliance to keep Fokkers for next decade
- QF passenger accuses the airline of homophobia
- QF instameet
- ongoing cancellations for VA/JQ Bali flights due to volcano
- BNE-NRT load factors
- comparison between LCC
- MF to double flights to SYD in February 2016
- new carriers for MEL for 2016
- REX named preferred tenderer for 2 WA government contracts
- CBR airport boss dismisses time to take to secure international flights - report
- sneek peak of Retro Roo II
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:16 am

Retro roo II arrives in Sydney



http://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/med...ils-retro-roo-ii-livery-on-a-b737/

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:32 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 1):
Retro roo II arrives in Sydney

It looks absolutely stunning; perfectly proportioned.

Great job Qantas!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 2):
It looks absolutely stunning; perfectly proportioned.

  

I like it better than the other Retro Roo...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:00 am

AA AAdvantage eyes QF tie up

The world's largest frequent flyer program, American Airlines' AAdvantage, wants to form closer links with Qantas Airways' frequent flyer scheme, which could lead to mutual upgrades on both airlines - a benefit not allowed under the Qantas-Emirates alliance, to the annoyance of many Qantas frequent fliers.

Such an agreement would be welcomed by the hundreds of thousands of Australians who travel in the US, and increase the number of American tourists flying on Qantas domestic flights.



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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:12 am

I guess I nailed it when I said VHVXQ would sport the Retro Roo II livery  

I wouldn't be surprised if this pans out to be a series of Retro schemes and who knows probably the 1st B789 will rollout sporting the V Jet scheme  

Well done QF and congratulations on 95 years!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:55 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 5):

One more 737 yet to be painted!  Cant wait and fingers crossed for V-Jet!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-turns-to-asia-amid-stiff-competition-on-transpacific-routes-20151116-gl07s4.html:

Qantas will lower its planned capacity increase to the United States this financial year and shift to flying more to Asia, in a sign the airline doesn't want to risk damaging returns on the increasingly competitive trans-Pacific market.
At the UBS Australasian Conference on Tuesday, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the airline would cut its growth so that the overall Australia-US seat capacity for all airlines would grow by 6 per cent from April, down from previous plans for 9 per cent growth.

American Airlines and Qantas are the carriers boosting capacity directly from Australia to the US, but new Air New Zealand Auckland-Houston flights, United Airlines Auckland-San Francisco flights, Air Canada Brisbane-Vancouver flights and American Airlines Auckland-Los Angeles flights could also have an impact on the fares charged by all carriers. Qantas will use the Boeing 747 that had been flying from Sydney to Los Angeles on the Melbourne-Hong Kong route. From April, Qantas will reduce its Sydney-Los Angeles flight frequency to just one daily flight, down from 10 weekly flights (already down from two daily at present) once American Airlines enters that route next month. However, Qantas will now fly daily from Sydney to Dallas on its A380 from April, up from six weekly flights at present.
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In turn, Qantas will use the Boeing 747 that had been flying from Sydney to Los Angeles on the Melbourne-Hong Kong route, upgrading three of the weekly flights from an A330 aircraft in a move that will boost its total capacity to the city by 2.5 per cent. Qantas will then look to deploy that A330 elsewhere in the Asian region.


So moving down to a daily A380 service SYD-LAX, and shifting the 744 that was operating this route to MEL-HKG. Probably not that surprising given they were adding capacity to SYD-LAX with AA joining the route AND also adding nearly daily services to SFO. Evidently a little too much capacity.

Interesting to see DFW going daily, where does this aircraft come from?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:49 am

Was looking through Alliances network map and noticed several New Zealand ops which came as a big surprise. Are these charter ops? How do you go about getting booked onto a flight?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:51 am

Here is a summary of the changes:

*SYD-LAX-SYD decreases to daily 6x A380 and 1x B744

*SYD-DFW-SYD increases from 6x weekly to daily

*MEL-HKG-MEL moves from daily A330 to 4x A330 and 3x B744

The 3x weekly freed up A330 from MEL-HKG route will be used for some new to be announced Asian flying. I assume this might be new flying from MEL as thats where the A330 needs to be to operate the 4x weekly HKG flight.

These changes are in addition to the already announced:

*Double daily SYD-HKG-SYD on weekdays

*5th weekly SYD-MNL-SYD

* PER-SIN-PER increasing to daily

Good to see some QF international growth...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:54 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 7):
Interesting to see DFW going daily, where does this aircraft come from?

The aircraft is coming off SYD-LAX. SYD-LAX will be operated by the A388 6 days a week and by the 744 the seventh day. Since SYD-DFW doesn't operate on Tuesdays could we see the SYD-LAX 744 flight to operate on Tuesdays as well?

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Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:05 am

Yes thats what is happening
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:25 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 7):
So moving down to a daily A380 service SYD-LAX, and shifting the 744 that was operating this route to MEL-AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG. Probably not that surprising given they were adding capacity to SYD-LAX with AA joining the route AND also adding nearly daily services to SFO. Evidently a little too much capacity.

It's certainly an interesting time for QF at LAX. This must be the smallest schedule QF, in its own right, has flown to Los Angeles in years.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
The 3x weekly freed up A330 from MEL-AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG route will be used for some new to be announced Asian flying. I assume this might be new flying from MEL as thats where the A330 needs to be to operate the 4x weekly AND OLD: Hong Kong - Kai Tak International (HKG / VHHH) (closed), China - Hong Kong">HKG flight.

That's what I'm assuming, Maybe a MEL-PVG service now that the MU alliance has received an approval?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:32 am

For those who are interested Ive just opened a new thread regarding todays piece in the Aus BT regarding QF eyeing nonstop flights from SYD-JFK with a 777-8

Aus BT: QF Eyes Nonstop SYD-JFK Flight With 777-8 (by qf789 Nov 16 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting vhebb (Reply 11):
Yes thats what is happening

Thanks
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:52 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 12):
It's certainly an interesting time for QF at LAX. This must be the smallest schedule QF, in its own right, has flown to Los Angeles in years.

Also, MEL-LAX will operate more frequently than SYD-LAX on QF metal (and more often with an A380 as well!). Overall, still holding roughly even at the amount of capacity to the USA that we have now

Old:
7 x Weekly SYD-LAX (A380)
7 x Weekly SYD-LAX (744)
6 x Weekly SYD-DFW (A380)
7 x Weekly MEL-LAX (A380)
3 x Weekly MEL-LAX (744)
7 x Weekly BNE-LAX (744)
= 37 Weekly Flights

New:
6 x Weekly SYD-LAX (A380)
1 x Weekly SYD-LAX (744)
7 x Weekly SYD-DFW (A380)
6 x Weekly SYD-SFO (744)
7 x Weekly MEL-LAX (A380)
2 x Weekly MEL-LAX (744)
7 x Weekly BNE-LAX (744)
= 36 Weekly Flights

So overall a reduction of 1 weekly flight from Oz to mainland USA (excluding JFK tag) on QF metal. This doesn't include the new 7 weekly SYD-LAX flights on AA. So overall, still a large increase in capacity and at the same time as NZ launches IAH, UA launches AKL, AA launches AKL and AC launches BNE. Lots of extra capacity on North America to Australia/NZ now.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:59 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 12):
That's what I'm assuming, Maybe a MEL-PVG service now that the MU alliance has received an approval?

It leaves very few options really, but it would be good to see QF back in PVG or HND/NRT from MEL.

A 3 x weekly QF MEL- HND/NRT would complement a 4 x weekly JQ flight on that route, but given it has just launched BNE-NRT I can't see that happening.

MEL-PVG would likely be an option, in partnership with MU. Not sure how that would work but its a chance.

MEL-SIN does not need more capacity, unless it replaces JQ on that route with a few extra frequencies of its own.

Overall, not sure there are many great opportunities for QF in MEL that this A330 can help with, but QF certainly are making some surprising moves lately so who knows.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):

There's no more capacity available under the bilateral for Australian carriers at HND. So it'd be NRT if TYO gets anything at all.

I think PVG is more likely. Or HNL, again complementing the JQ services.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:37 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):
There's no more capacity available under the bilateral for Australian carriers at HND. So it'd be NRT if TYO gets anything at all.

Thought so. Thanks for that clarrification.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):
I think PVG is more likely. Or HNL, again complementing the JQ services.

I agree about PVG but the last thing that HNL needs now is more capacity. There are issues filling seats as it is due to the fall in the AUD.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:40 am

Apparently JQ moved in to T4 at MEL last week. Anyone know how the move went?

Also with TT flying out of there a while now, and JQ just starting, does anyone have any experience with what T4 is like to use?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:50 am

Quoting a320fan (Reply 18):
Apparently JQ moved in to T4 at MEL last week. Anyone know how the move went?

Good I think. Haven't heard any major negative reviews yet so that's a plus.

It is also allowing JQ to significantly increase its schedule into MEL. It has now 3 times the amount of gate access than it used to.

Quoting a320fan (Reply 18):
Also with TT flying out of their a while now, and JQ just starting, does anyone have any experience with what T4 is like to use?

I havent used it yet, but for TT pax it would be a huge bonus compared to the shed.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:50 am

I swore I would never become the spelling/word meaning police...but the constant misuse of there/their/they're is astounding

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
The 3x weekly freed up A330 from MEL-HKG route will be used for some new to be announced Asian flying. I assume this might be new flying from MEL as thats where the A330 needs to be to operate the 4x weekly HKG flight.

Should QF feel there's better opportunities ex-SYD or BNE then they can always position the aircraft from MEL. Perhaps more BNE-HKG?

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 12):
That's what I'm assuming, Maybe a MEL-PVG service now that the MU alliance has received an approval?

It's quite an increase in capacity if so - MU goes to 2x daily PVG-MEL shortly so QF adding 3x weekly would mean an additional 6x weekly frequencies.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
A 3 x weekly QF MEL- HND/NRT would complement a 4 x weekly JQ flight on that route, but given it has just launched BNE-NRT I can't see that happening.

MEL-NRT would seem like a logical add, given it can complement the JQ schedule and the JPY is one of the few currencies following the AUD downwards. But with BNE-NRT and NH's HND-SYD the market probably doesn't need any more capacity.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):
I think PVG is more likely. Or HNL, again complementing the JQ services.

I can't see HNL increasing, if anything it's due for a cut in service (not just from MEL).
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:04 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 17):
Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):
I think PVG is more likely. Or HNL, again complementing the JQ services.

I agree about PVG but the last thing that HNL needs now is more capacity. There are issues filling seats as it is due to the fall in the AUD.
Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 21):
It's quite an increase in capacity if so - MU goes to 2x daily PVG-MEL shortly so QF adding 3x weekly would mean an additional 6x weekly frequencies.

I somewhat agree on MEL-NRT but I don't think we'll see QF back on there unless they swap out JQ. Which would leave a hole in the JQ network out of MEL which actually could work for a route like MEL-MNL on JQ.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:24 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 22):
Which would leave a hole in the JQ network out of MEL which actually could work for a route like MEL-MNL on JQ.

Not a bad idea really, but with 5J likely to enter MEL that will be interesting to see.

The MEL-SIN/NRT JQ routes are group connectors to their Asian operations (Jetstar Asia and Jetstar Japan respectively), so I agree it would leave a hole. I tend to think that JQ and QF operating together on MEL-NRT would be worthwhile though, but as pointed out the amount of capacity going into the Australia-Japan market is very strong at present.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 5:46 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
*SYD-LAX-SYD decreases to daily 6x A380 and 1x B744

Interesting, is this the first time now daily F service between SYD and LAX? Can't help but feel if QF had just one more A380 daily to LAX and DFW, then look at daily o SFO.... What engines do the MH birds have? I'm sure this will last a couple of years and once 789s start to arrive we will see an increase in SYD LAX again, few years allows for growth and for the current capacity increases to be absorbed.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
MEL-PVG would likely be an option, in partnership with MU. Not sure how that would work but its a chance.

Perhaps MU will drop some MEL frequencies to move the aircraft to BNE, thus allowing QF in? What are yields like to CGK from MEL? Or BKK? And has the reduced widebody flying out of Perth been absorbed into the network yet?

Quoting a320fan (Reply 18):
Also with TT flying out of there a while now, and JQ just starting, does anyone have any experience with what T4 is like to use

How is the QF terminal going security must have shorter lines, be good if QF added some kiosks where JQ checked in.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 24):
How is the QF terminal going security must have shorter lines, be good if QF added some kiosks where JQ checked in.

The QF terminal checkin kiosks and the LCC terminal checkin kiosks are made by different companies with QF owning the ones in its terminal while the Airport owns the ones in the LCC terminal. So it's doubtful that any QF kiosks would go in where the JQ checkin is.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 24):
Perhaps MU will drop some MEL frequencies to move the aircraft to BNE, thus allowing QF in? What are yields like to CGK from MEL? Or BKK? And has the reduced widebody flying out of Perth been absorbed into the network yet?

From memory I think Garuda has tried MEL-CGK and i don't think it has a track record as a route. So doubtful QF would put an A330 on it. BKK might have legs but again they would probably be displacing JQ services which leaves us with the same spare JQ 788 capacity.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 23):
Not a bad idea really, but with 5J likely to enter MEL that will be interesting to see.

Definitely though it appears QF is holding its own out of SYD to MNL.
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 6:42 am

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...to-investment-grade-credit-rating/

More positive news for QF. Maybe the suggestion that the Roo should get its wings back could be on the cards (LOL)
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:38 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 12):
It's certainly an interesting time for QF at LAX. This must be the smallest schedule QF, in its own right, has flown to Los Angeles in years.

LAX ain't the cash cow it once was when it was just UA and QF plying the route. Whilst LAX and the North American routes are still profitable, it isn't a goldmine anymore, which surprisingly has seen SQ not being as vocal as they once were about their divine right to operate SYD-LAX   

Quoting qf789 (Reply 13):
For those who are interested Ive just opened a new thread regarding todays piece in the Aus BT regarding QF eyeing nonstop flights from SYD-JFK with a 777-8

I think if it was to happen a A350ULR is probably the better aircraft (unless they need the payload for cargo). It's a smaller and more efficient airframe, and with the potential non-stop likely to be premium heavy, I can't see enough premium demand to fill a 777-8.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:08 am

Quoting undertheradar (Reply 20):
I swore I would never become the spelling/word meaning police...but the constant misuse of there/their/they're is astounding

sorry for going off topic

We all tend to misspell from time to time...

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Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
Overall, not sure there are many great opportunities for QF in MEL that this A330 can help with, but QF certainly are making some surprising moves lately so who knows.

Hmm, not many routes I could think of other than PVG or PEK? The HNL route would be over kill, definitely not NRT with BNE launched a few months ago.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:20 am

The change to remove the 388 off LAX sure is interesting, because as early as last week I was getting information to spruik the later evening departure as a large point of difference to the other carriers. In peak periods I would expect the 388 to find its way back to daily on SYD-LAX. It just goes to show how strong SYD-DFW has been for QF of late

The replacement Asia flights are interesting; I believe it will go to the city that was going to get the flights to NRT before BNE-NRT was announced as daily.
The upgrades of the 330's is well over halfway and there are several 330's that can now operate domestic/international runs.

I think that PER-NRT is on the cards 3x week. This extra 330 can easily be rejigged to rotate through PER with all the other domestic services. Its one of the only markets out of PER not saturated that QF can have an impact on with its JQ hub at the other end and regional WA network to feed it.
As a side note, does anybody know the original timings of QF79/80?

Having said this though, MEL-NRT could likely benefit from a more business friendly Daytime MEL-NRT with an overnight NRT-MEL 3x week which would complement the JQ services well.

Other long shots:
PER-HKG
SYD-PEK
MEL-MNL
SYD/MEL-SGN (pulling an NZ; SGN is just as popular for Aussies as it is for Kiwis! why JQ has not started flights there is beyond me, but a 788 would be the only one capable, so 330 odd seats is perhaps too many, a 332 could work well)

When oh when will they announce!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:13 am

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 27):

The downward spiral of the AUD has probably impacted leisure demand SYD-LAX. Instead of taking the kids to Disneyland, Bali & Phuket are probably back on the agenda for family holidays.
SQ's disinterest in the route seemed to come after they invested in VA (and saw their profits from the route?).
 
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Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:42 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 30):
SQ's disinterest in the route seemed to come after they invested in VA (and saw their profits from the route?).

What profits from VA? VA has been loss making for the majority of the time SQ has been a shareholder.

My comment re: SQ's desires for SYD-LAX was in jest. As soon as VA and then DL entered the route (with UA also getting their act together), SQ no longer had an interest. Their argument for access was always based on there being no competition, but with 4 carriers flying Aus-LAX, that argument no longer flies.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:12 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 30):

You're confusing cause and correlation, they lost interest broadly around the time that VA entered the scene precisely because of the added competition. SQ were keen to enter the market when it was a license to print money in a regulated market, but lost interest as soon as there was a competitive market

And Hawaii has indeed taken a tumble of late. Still one of our highest enquiry destinations, but it is no longer in the top three destinations (I'm kicking myself that I can't remember whether Fiji, Bali or Thailand was the one kicked down to fourth place).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:17 pm

I wonder if the A330 being released from the Melbourne to Hong Kong run will be used for additional services from Brisbane or Sydney to Hong Kong? Per the submission to the IASC below, Qantas has sought approval for an additional 3x weekly services to Hong Kong using A330 aircraft, bringing the total number of Qantas services to Hong Kong to 28x weekly, should their plans be approved.

IASC

Mind you there is rumour floating around that Qantas could increase some of its SIN flying in 2016.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:34 pm

The new Asia flying could actually be 3x weekly HKG-PER-HKG as the A330 could easily do a MEL-HKG-PER-HKG-MEL rotation.

This would also enable QF to use the 28 weekly HKG slots that have applied for….
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 25):
he QF terminal checkin kiosks and the LCC terminal checkin kiosks are made by different companies with QF owning the ones in its terminal while the Airport owns the ones in the LCC terminal. So it's doubtful that any QF kiosks would go in where the JQ checkin i

Sorry my poor grammar, I meant QF should install more ABD and kiosks in their terminal, where JQ previously checked in. Not T4.

I think MEL and SYD need to embrace self checkin more internationally too! They are very constrained by checkin infrastructure and this would clear queues much faster, if introduced correctly! But alas our airports are stuck in the 90s listening to dinosaurs at the airlines...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 35):
I think MEL and SYD need to embrace self checkin more internationally too! They are very constrained by checkin infrastructure and this would clear queues much faster, if introduced correctly! But alas our airports are stuck in the 90s listening to dinosaurs at the airlines...

In SYD's case, if you go to the QF checkin area you will see some trial self service kiosks in. You might find that SYD is not the dinosaur you think.............
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:37 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 35):
I think MEL and SYD need to embrace self checkin more internationally too! They are very constrained by checkin infrastructure and this would clear queues much faster, if introduced correctly! But alas our airports are stuck in the 90s listening to dinosaurs at the airlines...

BNE is rolling out self check in kiosks at International at the moment, already being used by NZ and QF for a while now. However, International flights require passport checks (validity, visa etc) so its a lot more complicated than simply selecting a seat and whether you have baggage to check in.

Interested to here how our airports are stuck in the 90's....
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:17 pm

Quoting a320fan (Reply 18):
Also with TT flying out of there a while now, and JQ just starting, does anyone have any experience with what T4 is like to use?

Just passed through MEL T4 last week. The terminal is an improvement on the old shed.

Starting from the forecourt of the terminal, its great in that it is pedestrian only, all vehicle drop offs are at the transport hub (T4 Carpark), the long term carpark bus shuttle stops just outside T4.

JQ check-in is all completed via self service stations, including bag drop. Progress up to L1 for security and departure gates, 4 screening points were open when I travelled, no queues. Passengers then proceed to the central waiting area, with food, beverage and shopping options. I didn't try any of them.

There are no airline lounges at T4. For those using the QF lounge at T1, I allowed 15 mins for the walk back to T4 and time get through security.

Although check-in for TT is from T4, they are still using the T3 gates for departure (gates 14-20), these gates are connected to the central waiting area. JQ uses gates at the southern wing of T4 for all departures (gates 40+). Travellers are advised to wait in the central area prior to the gate opening. The walk from the central waiting area to gates 40+ is significant (approx 400m with no travelators). Apart from vending machines, there are no f&b options at the JQ gates and seating very is limited.

Short walk from T4 gates to aircraft and boarding for JQ is done via front and rear stairs on the aircraft.

Overall, its great to have JQ out of T1 and the T4 experience is not too bad.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:12 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 31):
What profits from VA? VA has been loss making for the majority of the time SQ has been a shareholder.

VA has been loss making overall, but that doesn't preclude some routes from making a profit. However I was being a bit facetious, VA hasn't found a pot of gold by flying SYD-LAX.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 33):
I wonder if the A330 being released from the Melbourne to Hong Kong run will be used for additional services from Brisbane or Sydney to Hong Kong?

Quite possibly, I believe SYD-HKG will now be 12x weekly with the A330 flight running every weekday. The other 2x weekly could be for BNE-HKG.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:52 pm

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 39):
Quite possibly, I believe SYD-HKG will now be 12x weekly with the A330 flight running every weekday. The other 2x weekly could be for BNE-HKG.

The intention was to make SYD-HKG double daily with the only thing preventing that happening being slots at HKG. So I would not bank on seeing additional QF HKG services from BNE or MEL or the re-introduction of PER-HKG flying. As soon as QF can secure the slots, SYD-HKG will increase to 14x weekly.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:53 pm

Quoting SYDSpotter (Reply 31):
What profits from VA? VA has been loss making for the majority of the time SQ has been a shareholder.

As per VA's financial reports, VA's domestic operations actually has been making money since the capacity war ceased. It's their international operations (both short & long haul) and Tigerair Australia that's been been losing them money since then.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:10 am

Given the "Will QF take their last A380s on order?" thread, and the new "QF 777-8" thread, I thought I'd share a conversation I had with a QF A330 Captain last week:

Captain: QF is going to order a new plane to replace the A380s because they are gas-guzzlers.
Me: Are you talking about the 789 order? To replace the gas-guzzling 744s?
Captain: No. Another new plane to replace the A380s. They are also gas-guzzlers.

I wasn't sure what to make of it, but given AJ's comments about the new ULH routes the 789 makes possible, the A380s still on order and what might happen with them, the new chatter about QF and the 777-8, I can start to connect the dots in different ways now...

Do you think QF might not take any more A380s and get large twins like the 777-8 / 777-9 to open up new ULH markets without losing too much capacity? A long haul fleet of just 787s and 777Xs could work well together? Very efficient. But what would become of the A380 order? Is there money tied up that would have to go to the purchase of Airbus planes anyway? More A320s for JQ then, so QF will have pretty much an all Boeing mainline fleet once the A330s and A380 eventually leave, of 737 / 787 and 777X... Thoughts? I know QF makes the A380 work on certain routes, but is the A380 really necessary?

Interesting times ahead...
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:29 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 42):
I thought I'd share a conversation I had with a QF A330 Captain last week

For starters, pilots don't have inside information. Their rumours and whispers all come from exactly the same place as ours (ie seemingly out of thin air most of the time).

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 42):
Thoughts?

I fully expect the A380s to remain with QF for the usual ~20 years. The whole idea of replacing them early might sound sensible in conversation but quickly falls apart when you start doing the figures and working out the financial impact.

I do think we could see the 744s replaced with 779s. The eight 789s coming from 2017 would replace the two older 744s (OJM and OEB) and allow for a couple of new routes, then the 779s would come in from 2020-21 and replace the final 9 reconfigured 744s over a period of a few years.

A decision on what replaces the A380s then doesn't need to be made until 2024-25 at which point there might be a second generation A350 on offer or a 777 replacement from Boeing.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:02 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 43):
For starters, pilots don't have inside information. Their rumours and whispers all come from exactly the same place as ours (ie seemingly out of thin air most of the time).

  

Of course, Qantas could always switch the remaining A380 options to the new A350-ULR which would give them a number of these long range routes that AJ is presently teasing some a.netters with, and could happeen before the 2020's.

I imagine Airbus would be amenable to the switch.  

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:17 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 42):
But what would become of the A380 order?

My 2 cents is that I think QF will do what SQ is currently doing and turn over their A380's into either updated A380's or A380NEO's if they are launched. QF would only need about 8 frames on the current timings to do 2 daily LHR plus a daily LAX run on the A380 with a 777 or A350 variant replacing the lost A380 frames and the remaining 744's. That would give a requirement for at least 10 frames which is a decent fleet size excluding growth.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting vhebb (Reply 9):
*SYD-LAX-SYD decreases to daily 6x A380 and 1x B744

This puzzles me, one different frame type for one frequency per week??

Quoting mariner (Reply 44):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):

Both equally valid options.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:10 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 36):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 37):
NE is rolling out self check in kiosks at International at the moment, already being used by NZ and QF for a while now. However, International flights require passport checks (validity, visa etc) so its a lot more complicated than simply selecting a seat and whether you have baggage to check i

AKL is rolling out biometric systems to identify pax, so no staff intervention will be required, and this was never required for all airlines only some.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 36):

In SYD's case, if you go to the QF checkin area you will see some trial self service kiosks in. You might find that SYD is not the dinosaur you think.............

Sydney airport, QF and a couple of other carriers have been wanting to install more kiosk for some time. However it would require a short term reduction in counter space (inline with what MEL and BNE currently have) short term pain long term gain. However some vocal carriers have put a stop to this, for years now. They won't reduce their counters... And Sydney airport won't man up and act like the landlord they are... So 80s may have been harsh, but dinosaurs was aimed at the carriers.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:16 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 46):
This puzzles me, one different frame type for one frequency per week??

Haven't QF been struggling to keep up with A380 mx due to the fleet size vs schedule?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:30 am

I for one fully believe that QF will take at least 779's to initially replace the remaining 747's and eventually the 380 fleet as well. Nothing against the 380, just the 779 is a better fit across the network and wouldn't be restricted to a handful of destinations.

As for the 778 and possible non stop to JFK, if Boeing can guarantee it will do the trip with a worthwhile payload, then yes. A sub fleet of 778's mixed in with 779's will be no extra fleet/type cost, while providing the flexibility to offer ULH flights. An order for 778F's wouldn't surprise me either.

In short the 779 is the perfect replacement for the remaining 744's, but if also used to replace the 380's, gives them greater flexibility across the network. Coupled with a handful of 778's and 789's, that provides a versatile, efficient fleet.

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