Australian Aviation Thread Part 132

IndianicWorld · Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:17 pm

I seem to remember that the Qatar Amiri Flight had a A342 but didn't think they had any A343's.

bunumuring · Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:33 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 144):
I'll take the Immigration portfolio thanks.

Hey mate, I had you pegged as Minister for Transport, but Minister for Foreign Affairs and/or Immigration sounds great!

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 149):
After a little digging it seems A7-AAH is part of the Qatar Amiri Flight

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 150):
I seem to remember that the Qatar Amiri Flight had a A342 but didn't think they had any A343's.

Hi guys, I know that the Amiri Flight does operate an A340-200 and I have photographed it at LHR, but I do recall reading somewhere on a forum here that an A340-300 has also entered the Flight. Don't recall any details though. Sorry.

Cheers,
Bunumuring.

eta unknown · Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 119):

Or you could fly a JQ 787 from BNE to DPS or HNL and use gate 74- exclusively used by JQ as they won't pay for an air bridge. No umbrellas provided either.

allrite · Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 117):
Welcome to the third world

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 119):
That was the point... OOL wants to be taken seriously as a competitor to BNE and SYD for everyone from Brisbane to Port Macquarie

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 132):
Off the top of my head I can only think of 9 airports in the whole of Australia that have air bridges: SYD, MEL, BNE, CBR, TSV, CNS, ADL, PER and DRW. Now admittedly other than the occasional PHE-DPS and MCY-AKL, OOL is the only one regularly handling international flights that doesn't have air bridges, but overall they are virtually nonexistent outside of capital airports in this country.

If that makes Australia "third world" then so be it.

In well known third-world country Japan, Narita's new Terminal 3 lacks airbridges. They provide covered mobile stairs and expandable shelters instead.

I've never had trouble queuing at immigration for Jetstar International flights to Japan from OOL before. Certainly been better than some of my experiences at Sydney and Melbourne!

777Jet · Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:35 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 151):
Hey mate, I had you pegged as Minister for Transport, but Minister for Foreign Affairs and/or Immigration sounds great!

I will stop the boats and allow the planes!

Quoting allrite (Reply 153):
In well known third-world country Japan

Hahaha...

Quoting allrite (Reply 153):
They provide covered mobile stairs and expandable shelters instead.

And something like that is all that I was talking about:

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 126):
Extending the undercover walkway area to a point at each parking bay where some undercover air-stairs could connect to the plane wouldn't have been a costly investment given it would prevent passengers from getting soaked in the rain...

The undercover walkway area on the south / left side of the domestic terminal at OOL (when facing the runway) is just a tin roof supported by a few upright beams anyway. Extending that towards each parking bay to a point where covered air-stairs would connect, or, using expandable shelters / covered mobile stairs like in the Japan example, would not cost near as much as fitting the terminal with full air bridges (which I don't think anybody has said is necessary, or expects, at OOL).

Quoting allrite (Reply 153):
I've never had trouble queuing at immigration for Jetstar International flights to Japan from OOL before.

Queues are a different matter all together anyway and should be expected at certain times / airports. Playing in the rain and getting soaked to get from the terminal to the plane is a different matter.

One time an elderly fat woman a few people in front of me, whilst exiting the plane through the rear door in the rain at OOL, slipped and fell down on the wet, uncovered metal stairs. I'm sure that is not the only time that has happened and I'm sure there have been worse outcomes...

CBRboy · Mon Nov 23, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 129):
Local chatter in Canberra is still that there will be an international airline into CBR 'in the near future' ... but Cathay Pacific isn't one of the first airlines mentioned in speculation. Maybe one of our Canberra a.netters may know more? I live nearby but not in Canberra. I still believe that Air NZ and / or Fiji Airways will be the next to give Canberra a go ... FJ for the second time in recent years! I just can't see the ME3 running their smallest planes on what would have to be at least a one-stop service from the ME to CBR with their smallest relevant types of widebodies on any meaningful schedule. I guess if QF was onboard as a JV it may work for a certain ME3 however...

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 133):
Stephen Byron has been saying that for what? 10 years?Surely an A320 from AKL will come before an A330 from HKG...

I have also viewed the recent outbreak of chatter about international services to Canberra as optimism by the airport and ACT Government. It does seem a little unlikely that Cathay Pacific would fly to Canberra. While there is a large population of Chinese secondary and tertiary students in Canberra and some government travel to and fro, it's hard to see a direct HKG-CBR service picking off the traffic currently flowing via SYD and MEL on direct services to an increasing list of Chinese cities.

AKL-CBR seems much more likely. A resumption of FJ's once-weekly NAN-CBR winter seasonal flights could also be a possibility.

zkncj · Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:16 am

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 155):
AKL-CBR seems much more likely. A resumption of FJ's once-weekly NAN-CBR winter seasonal flights could also be a possibility.

Even more likely when NZ said they have two new routes for 2016, they have just done SGN.

IndianicWorld · Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:01 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 156):
Even more likely when NZ said they have two new routes for 2016, they have just done SGN.

Talk is that the next NZ destination is MNL.

We will see but that was the most likely next route.

qf789 · Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:33 am

Cathay touches down at Wellcamp

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...1/cathay-touches-down-in-wellcamp/

bunumuring · Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:29 am

Quoting cbrboy (Reply 155):
AKL-CBR seems much more likely. A resumption of FJ's once-weekly NAN-CBR winter seasonal flights could also be a possibility.

I agree completely. Auckland-Canberra would seem to be the most likely ... in conjunction with Virgin Australia???

How about a left-of-centre Indonesia Air Asia A320 service to Bali? A few times a week ... maybe via Darwin or Broome or somewhere ... hmmmm...

Cheers,
Bunumuring.

bunumuring · Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:17 am

In a new thread in this forum on Cathay Pacific, it appears that the airline is planning on sending the A350-900, A350-1000 and additional 777-300ERs to Australia. No 777-9s however.
Interesting.
Also, no mention of new Australian services, as has been speculated earlier in this thread.
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

qf2220 · Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:39 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 159):

To me both make sense. Also when you consider the catchment to the west of Canberra that might use a Bali flight like that.

Thai77w · Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:47 am

History was made today at Wellcamp. a little over a year after it opened Cathay Pacific touched down with a 747-8. Here a photos of its departure today. Word is it will be weekly next year with the flight today extremely well received and an estimated 10,000 there to view

bunumuring · Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:05 pm

Quoting thai77w (Reply 162):
History was made today at Wellcamp.

Mate, awesome photos!
Good luck with this venture. I hope others follow and this airport becomes a major success, perhaps inspiring others in regional Australia!
Cheers,
Bunumuring.

EK413 · Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:10 pm

Other news surprised there's no mention VA have officially moved into T1 at PER

https://twitter.com/jvbockxmeer/status/668734429209100288

EK413

qf789 · Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:44 pm

VH-EBI has positioned from Singapore to Spain on Monday for tanker conversion

http://www.theqantassource.com/withd...i-positions-for-tanker-conversion/

A passenger was removed by AFP from VA353 (MEL-BNE) on Monday night

http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...-in-melbourne-20151123-gl633t.html

DeltaB717 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:14 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 159):
Quoting cbrboy (Reply 155):AKL-CBR seems much more likely. A resumption of FJ's once-weekly NAN-CBR winter seasonal flights could also be a possibility.

I agree completely. Auckland-Canberra would seem to be the most likely ... in conjunction with Virgin Australia???

I've always thought AKL made the most sense out of all the 'options', but operated by VA on E190s. I'm not sure if the E190s are able to do things like that, though?

Quoting thai77w (Reply 162):

Great pics! Thanks for sharing

QFA380 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:30 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 158):
Cathay touches down at Wellcamp

Was really hoping to get up to Toowoomba today but went flying myself in a 172 instead. Would've been great. Wellcamp is a spotters paradise except for the fact it gets very little traffic...

Nice that Cathay sent the Hong Kong Trader plane.

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 166):
I'm not sure if the E190s are able to do things like that, though?

E190 could easily get across the ditch, they have surprisingly good range. I've seen them on MEL-CNS which according to Great Circle Mapper is the same distance as CBR-AKL at 1250nm. Not sure about ETOPS on them though.

zkokq · Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:31 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 167):
E190 could easily get across the ditch, they have surprisingly good range. I've seen them on MEL-CNS which according to Great Circle Mapper is the same distance as CBR-AKL at 1250nm. Not sure about ETOPS on them though.

No raft onboard too.

mariner · Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:12 am

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 166):
I've always thought AKL made the most sense out of all the 'options', but operated by VA on E190s. I'm not sure if the E190s are able to do things like that, though?

Theoretically, the E190 should be okay for CBR-AKL. It's flown EWR-YYC as scheduled service, which is about 1000 kms more.

Longest E190 Route? (by N62NA Apr 12 2012 in Aviation Polls)

And it has a bad tech reputation:

http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...blue-ceo-laments-embraer-190-costs

"JetBlue CEO Laments Embraer 190 Costs

The president and CEO of JetBlue Airways is “disappointed” with the carrier’s fleet of Embraer 190s and says the airline continues to struggle with maintenance costs on the 100-seat E-Jets."

So whether it could make money on the route may be another matter, it's quite an expensive aircraft to fly. In terms of CASK, the A320/737 beat it hands down in break-even load factor - if you can sell the additional seats.

It's why the A319 isn't so popular these days - less seats to fill, but about as expensive to operate as the A320.

The E190 is useful to some airlines, on thinner routes, but it has its problems. Airlines are pinning their hopes for it on the PW geared turbofan.

mariner

DeltaB717 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:49 am

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 167):
Not sure about ETOPS on them though.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 168):
No raft onboard too.

These were the question marks I had, as I knew the range was easily doable. They used to run DRW-PER year-round also so crossing the ditch would be pretty easy for them.

zkncj · Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:23 am

Quoting zkokq (Reply 168):
No raft onboard too.

Possibly could get around it, follow an path around NLK. When NZ's A320s ETPOS goes un-serviceable in an Aussie Port, they just alter the course so they go near NLK.

Fitting an life raft isn't to much of an biggie, its more just the loss of overhead space. NZ used to put a couple of life rafts into the overhead bins on the 733s when they we're on Intentional Services. Then when one domestic remove them to save weight!

Weren't they used on Perth-Christmas Island at some stage?

qfvhoqa · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 171):
Weren't they used on Perth-Christmas Island at some stage?

They were indeed: Virgin Australia - Charting a New Course

Quote:
The E190 flew 1,410 nm (2,611 km) nonstop to Christmas Island, more than four hours, completing the longest commercial E-Jet flight over water

DeltaB717 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:39 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 171):
Weren't they used on Perth-Christmas Island at some stage?

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 172):
Weren't they used on Perth-Christmas Island at some stage?

I'd totally forgotten that. Which suggests there would be no issues at all in deploying them on trans-Tasman!

zkojq · Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting QF175 (Reply 67):
The last aircraft to have the new Business Class seating installed is VH-XFE. It appears that this aircraft has been on the ground in Melbourne for a few days now so it would be safe to assume that it is having the new seats fitted.

Thanks QF175.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 67):
In terms of the upgrades to the 777-300ERs I very much doubt you will see VA go with a 3x4x3 configuration in Economy Class.

I certainly hope that they wouldn't. VA is doing quite well at offering a good product and this would go quite some way to undoing much of John Bourghetti's good work.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 67):
I would also hazard a guess and say that there are no photos of Economy Class as the refurbs seems to be focused on Business and Premium Economy only.

I guess we will see soon enough.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 99):
Doesn't seem to stop airlines buying them though.

Happily QF haven't.

Quoting zeke (Reply 103):
Also expecting an announcement with a new passenger service to Australia very soon which I think will be very welcomed by the locals.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 111):
So maybe OOL, DRW, CBR, HBA.

Fingers crossed for some A350s.

Quoting zeke (Reply 138):
OOL really needs GLS installed or realignment of the runway. GLS is cheaper.

I agree, but I suspect that it would be of limited use in the short to medium term. How many aircraft can actually make use of a GLS system? Virgin and Qantas 737s are fitted with the required equipment (Qantas' A380s have it too, not that it's relevant for OOL lol), but to my knowledge, JetStar's A320s aren't. I also suspect that the number of overseas operators able to use them is minimal; in the case of New Zealand, our Civil Aviation Authority doesn't recognise the system, meaning that airlines with New Zealand AOCs can't use them. Such a shame.

Quoting allrite (Reply 153):
In well known third-world country Japan, Narita's new Terminal 3 lacks airbridges. They provide covered mobile stairs and expandable shelters instead.

Those things look awful....its like they're going out of their way to prevent you from taking photos of the plane.

Quoting thai77w (Reply 162):
Cathay Pacific touched down with a 747-8. Here a photos of its departure today.

Beautiful shots, mate. Very thoughtful of Cathay Pacific to send the aircraft with the Hong Kong Trader livery.

Quoting thai77w (Reply 162):
10,000 there to view

Impressive!

aryonoco · Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:26 am

Question: Now that Jetstar HK isn't happening, where is the QF Group going to use its 78 A320NEO on order?

Is the A320NEO at mainline QF an option? I seem to recall there were issues with pilots contracts and the fact that JQ and QF operated different narrowbodies allowed them to have a different pay structure for them. If that is still the case and the A320NEO can't be used by QF's main brand, where are they going to deploy these aircraft?

EK413 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:07 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 135):

She's on her way to VCV as we speak

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 175):

They'll more than likely use the NEO's to replace the aging Australian based A320's?

EK413

qf002 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:24 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 175):
Is the A320NEO at mainline QF an option?

It will depend on the direction that Boeing goes in. If they are planning the NMA or NSA for a ~2025 EIS then I could see QF being an early customer, otherwise the NEO is definitely a strong possibility.

777Jet · Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:43 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 175):
Question: Now that Jetstar HK isn't happening, where is the QF Group going to use its 78 A320NEO on order?

If you include the remaining A380s on order then QF have a lot of $$$ worth of orders at Airbus that are somewhat uncertain...

qf789 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:50 am

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 175):
Question: Now that Jetstar HK isn't happening, where is the QF Group going to use its 78 A320NEO on order?

Is the A320NEO at mainline QF an option? I seem to recall there were issues with pilots contracts and the fact that JQ and QF operated different narrowbodies allowed them to have a different pay structure for them. If that is still the case and the A320NEO can't be used by QF's main brand, where are they going to deploy these aircraft?

The QF group have 99 A320neo on order. In 2011 78 A320neo were ordered and last year another 21 A320neo were ordered.

When the initial order was placed for Jetstar it was mentioned that they would be used to replace aircraft coming off lease and for some growth as well.

Currently the JQ group have 100 A320 and 8 A321 in operation, JQ 53 x A320 & 6 A321, 3K 18 x A320, GK 20 x A320 and BL 9 x 320 & 2 A321

Of the 108 aircraft 82 are on lease (JQ 37 x A320 & 5 A321, 3K 10 x A320, GK 19 x A320, BL 9 x A320, 2 x A321)

The current delivery schedule is to start in 2016 with the last ones be delivered in 2022. The later A320neo deliveries also have the option to be converted into A321neos.

Though its always possible that QF could operate the A320neo as stated by QF002 I think QF would be an early customer of the NMA or NSA

777Jet · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 179):
Currently the JQ group have 100 A320 and 8 A321 in operation,

IIRC JQ uses 6 x 321s for regular operations in Australia. Where are the other 2 x 321s?

Quoting qf789 (Reply 179):
The later A320neo deliveries also have the option to be converted into A321neos.

I would be surprised if JQ at least did not take more 321s, or convert 320NEO orders to 321NEOs in this instance, as they get good use out of the 321s they use now and IMO could easily put a few more to good use.

qf789 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:11 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 180):
IIRC JQ uses 6 x 321s for regular operations in Australia. Where are the other 2 x 321s?

The other 2 from Jetstar Pacific which are leased off VN

qf789 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:24 am

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 135):
Is OGR headed for WestJet?

No. The 4 767's westjet are getting are OGI, OGJ, OGL & OGN. OGJ has already been delivered with the other 3 joining OGJ shortly.

NZ will fly the 777-200/ER on AKL-CNS between 1st July and 9th October 2016 replacing the 767-300 on Fridays and Sundays

NZ165 AKL0700 – 1030CNS 772 57
NZ775 AKL0715 – 1050CNS 320 3
NZ775 AKL0915 – 1250CNS 320 46

NZ776 CNS1150 – 1825AKL 320 3
NZ166 CNS1200 – 1830AKL 772 57
NZ776 CNS1350 – 2025AKL 320 46

http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/24/nz-cns-jul16/

[Edited 2015-11-24 03:28:44]

qantas747 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:39 am

I really hope this new route that zeke is leaning towards is HKG-CBR. If only for the oneworld elites that will use it. A premium economy product as well as flat bed business class ex CBR would be well worth it. 3-4pw would be enough with an AM departure connecting to asia and europe.

I think the CBR market has long been missed by airlines. We really should have by now

3-4pw SQ to SIN 333
3-4pw CX to HKG 333
5pw NZ/VA to AKL E90/320
3-4pw EK to DXB

JQ should also be doing domestic services to OOL, MEL, ADL and CNS too but thats another story.

Some out of the box thinking.
QF to send a 3pw to HKG ex CBR as they are seeing a high number of connects via SYD/MEL
EY to send a 789 in a couple of days a week to leverage off VA

Its just annoying that airlines funnel CBR pax via SYD and MEL when they can get first mover advantage amd hrow their networks.

777Jet · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:47 am

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 183):
I think the CBR market has long been missed by airlines. We really should have by now

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 183):
3-4pw EK to DXB

Let me guess... with an A380 too?

j/k

If you think EK will ever come to CBR, when do you think that will actually be if you already think it's overdue?

aryonoco · Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:06 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 179):
Currently the JQ group have 100 A320 and 8 A321 in operation

Thank you for the explanation. I did not realise how how big the JQ Group as a whole has become.

CXfirst · Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:22 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 171):
Fitting an life raft isn't to much of an biggie, its more just the loss of overhead space. NZ used to put a couple of life rafts into the overhead bins on the 733s when they we're on Intentional Services. Then when one domestic remove them to save weight!

The VA 737-700s have two rafts in two roof holders, one at the front and one at the rear. They aren't part of the escape slides or anything. Part of the safety brief involves informing passengers that they might be called upon to help get the rafts down.

I'm sure this solution could be relatively easily added to any E190, although don't know if regulations would make this difficult (ie, don't know if this is a certified Boeing procedure, that isn't an Embraer procedure).

-CXfirst

qantas747 · Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:21 pm

Once the pissing contest is over in the US I would think EK would put more focus on their pacific routes. Maybe we would have to wait until the 5yr anniversary of QF and EK. But it would jot surprise me if EK started looking at CBR and CNS and potentially a way into WLG. Would a weight restricted 77L be able to do WLG across the ditch?
perhaps a DXB-SIN-CBR is more on the cards as it would tap two markets.

It just bothers me that QF and VA so fiercely protect yields on CBR to the detriment of the public. It really is no surprise that as they both own their low cost carrier arms they are not in CBR. They just force people to catch the bus up to SYD to gain cheaper flight. This happens regularly even for OOL flights!

As a side note the regular bus services and the normally functioning freeway do make it a relative easy 2.5hr trip.

kiwiandrew · Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:28 pm

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 187):
But it would jot surprise me if EK started looking at CBR and CNS and potentially a way into WLG. Would a weight restricted 77L be able to do WLG across the ditch?

From the Australian side EK are restricted to 4 daily fifth freedom flights to New Zealand - these are currently all in use ( BNE/SYD/MEL-AKL and SYD-CHC).

To introduce an Australia to WLG flight they would need to either:

*drop an existing service; or
* renegotiate the air services agreement: or
* try to sustain the flights without any trans Tasman rights

Gemuser · Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 187):
It just bothers me that QF and VA so fiercely protect yields on CBR to the detriment of the public

Of course they are! All airlines are fiercely protect yields on all routes, *when they can*. This is normal commercial behavior, all companies do it when they can. The "public benefit" is not something companies worry about.

Gemuser

skyhawkmatthew · Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:44 pm

The other issue with CBR and long-haul flights is the airport itself. There is significant terrain off both ends of 17/35, and the density altitude in summer can get up around 5000'.

How far can a 777/A330 operate out of Canberra in these conditions with a useful load? I think DXB direct might be pushing things.

aryonoco · Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 187):
It just bothers me that QF and VA so fiercely protect yields on CBR to the detriment of the public. It really is no surprise that as they both own their low cost carrier arms they are not in CBR.

If I was a VAH or QAN shareholder, I would be very pissed off if either of the airlines didn't charge the absolute maximum that they can on every flight possible to maximise yields and profits.

If the market is broken, (and an argument can be made that the CBR market is), then it's the job of policy developers, governments, and regulators to fix it. Not the airlines' job to voluntarily reduce their prices.

777Jet · Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:34 am

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 190):
The other issue with CBR and long-haul flights is the airport itself. There is significant terrain off both ends of 17/35, and the density altitude in summer can get up around 5000'.

How far can a 777/A330 operate out of Canberra in these conditions with a useful load? I think DXB direct might be pushing things.

Another valid point anybody seriously thinking about 'long hauls' from CBR overlooks.

CBR locals can expect to see more takeoff rolls like this with an EK flight to BXD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZGXwbPfwQs

qantas747 · Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:29 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 192):
Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 190):
The other issue with CBR and long-haul flights is the airport itself. There is significant terrain off both ends of 17/35, and the density altitude in summer can get up around 5000'.

How far can a 777/A330 operate out of Canberra in these conditions with a useful load? I think DXB direct might be pushing things.

Another valid point anybody seriously thinking about 'long hauls' from CBR overlooks.

CBR locals can expect to see more takeoff rolls like this with an EK flight to BXD:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZGXw...PfwQs

WOW! What great vision! That is just awesome.
I wonder when that actually was, because it looks like the 600m rwy extension is not in that vision ( despite the video being uploaded in 08) Currently 17/35 is 3283m, and surely with a PM departure even in the middle of summer to the sandpit there would be no restrictions on a 77L.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 189):
Of course they are! All airlines are fiercely protect yields on all routes, *when they can*. This is normal commercial behavior, all companies do it when they can. The "public benefit" is not something companies worry about.

I do understand that, but then we look at all the other major airports round the country and they have a variety of service offerings. As much as I love the "premium" VA and QF provide to CBR, sometimes it would be great to be able to choose JQ or even tiger as a leisure option. Its this choice that is not being provided in CBR. Ah well, the airlines know the numbers and they are making commercial decisions that best suit them.

CBR is also well positioned for freight movements to SW Sydney which I would think would be of interest to EK/CX as an alternate to SYD.

skyhawkmatthew · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:00 am

Quoting qantas747 (Reply 193):
Currently 17/35 is 3283m, and surely with a PM departure even in the middle of summer to the sandpit there would be no restrictions on a 77L.

The problem is not so much the runway length as the terrain. There's not really an issue with rwy 17 (see the video above!), but departures off 35 would be severely restricted.

csturdiv · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:06 am

On CH-Aviation, behind one of their annoying "pay us 979.00 euros to read this article" scheme is an article with a headline of Virgin Australia Regional to shift to an all-jet operation. I looked through this topic and didn't see anything that popped out at me, or it might have been covered in an older thread. What is the details of this move, is Virgin Australia Regional getting rid of the ATRs?

DeltaB717 · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 195):
Virgin Australia Regional getting rid of the ATRs?

It'd be the first I'd heard. They did announce a few weeks ago the Fokker 50 fleet would be wound down, I think someone's just forgotten the ATRs when writing their article!

skyhawkmatthew · Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:09 am

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 195):
What is the details of this move, is Virgin Australia Regional getting rid of the ATRs?

There's no way they're ditching the ATRs.

My guess is the article is referring to the retirement of the Fokker 50 fleet based in PER, and the consequent all-jet operation that will now exist over there.

csturdiv · Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:52 am

Thanks, I would've thought this would've been a bigger deal, sounds like poor writing, and if it is, really not worth 979 euros for.

Thai77w · Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:11 am

I've heard the ATRs are/will be shifting across to VA mainline ops.

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