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IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:52 pm

From May 15, 2016, 3 weekly flights (Monday, Wednesday and Sunday):

MAD - SJU / 12:25 - 14:55 / IB6301 / Airbus A330-200
SJU - MAD / 16:35 - 06:25 / IB6300 / Airbus A330-200

Flights will be operated by brand new A332s (arriving from Dec), with 288 seats (19J/269Y).
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:54 pm

Wooho, nice to see IB back to SJU. The 330-200 is the right size for the route, but I imagine UX will be pushed off the route.
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:56 pm

Thats a great route to see them back on.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:58 pm

This was reported a few months ago
RE: IB: Additional Planes, New Routes, Growth (by toxtethogrady Aug 7 2015 in Civil Aviation)

IB staff were in SJU 2-weeks ago setting up handling and signing operating agreements.
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:40 pm

Quoting chepos (Reply 1):
, but I imagine UX will be pushed off the route.

Isn't there enough room for two?
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 4):
Isn't there enough room for two?

We will have to wait and see but I highly doubt it.
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:04 pm

Great news.

Sundays SJU will have 2 flights to MAD.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 4):
Isn't there enough room for two?

maybe, 5 weekly is not that much, but I think IB will get more traffic than UX because the network from MAD. But it will be interesting to see how it goes, UX is getting more A330 and IB is algo getting more planes, so we will see more face to face in more routes in the future.

So, what other routes previously operated before the re organization is still cancel?? JNB, anyone else??

Quoting chepos (Reply 1):
The 330-200 is the right size for the route

Much better than the A340, much better economics for sure, but almost 300 (19-269) seats is not a small plane anyway.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting realsim (Thread starter):
Flights will be operated by brand new A332s (arriving from Dec), with 288 seats (19J/269Y).

19J ? Isn't that an odd number to configure?

Is there a seat plan yet ?

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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 7):
19J ? Isn't that an odd number to configure?

Is there a seat plan yet ?

Rgds

Seems odd to me as well. Does IB even operate an A330-200 yet? I am curious about the seat map too. Pretty interesting route to me personally.
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
So, what other routes previously operated before the re organization is still cancel?? JNB, anyone else??

Cordoba, Argentina. Yet I am not sure if this route was closed with the "reorganisation" or a bit earlier.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 8):
Seems odd to me as well. Does IB even operate an A330-200 yet? I am curious about the seat map too. Pretty interesting route to me personally.

I'm gonna guess it's configured similar to airBerlin's A332 as they have 19 in business as well.
It looks like an extra bathroom takes the place of where another seat could go.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...lin/Air_Berlin_Airbus_A330-200.php
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:02 pm

 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:09 pm

Nice, although not a big destination for IB, San Juan has always played an important role on the airline's route map. I hope the return to destination turns profitable. Their route map looked rather odd without IB not having presence in San Juan, Havana, and Santo Domingo at the same time.

IB is keeping its promise to resume all of its destinations lost prior to the reorganization and even adding service to new secondary destinations in Latin America. Last week, the company's VP for Latin America was in Mexico announcing that they are seriously studying starting service to Guadajalara possibly in 2016/2017. They are also looking at Managua, Nicaragua which hasn't been served by IB since it closed its MIA hub back in 2002.

Article in Spanish:

http://www.forbes.com.mx/la-estrateg...r-de-la-crisis-y-retomar-el-vuelo/

Here is their route map with frequencies per week served to each destination. Interesting to note that Caracas is down to just 4 frequencies per week. Venezuela was once a cash cow for IB!

http://cdn.forbes.com.mx/2015/11/iberia1.jpg
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:11 pm

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 7):
19J ? Isn't that an odd number to configure?

I would assume it could be something like 4 rows of J with a 2-1-2, with the last row having a 1-1-2/2-1-1 seat availability (use a J seat as a crew rest or for a jumpseat).

Alternatively, they could go with something like B6's Mint layout with 2 seats being regular Mint seats and the following one being the Mint suite.

So IB could also have the following configuration:

2-2-2
1-2-1 -> The 1 seat could be a new seat product?
2-2-2
1-2-1 -> Deduct a seat from this row to make it the jumpseat or crew rest seat...6+4+6+3 = 19
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:37 pm

You can see the configuration on slide 74 in the Capital Markets Day presentation:

http://www.es.iairgroup.com/phoenix....html?c=240949&p=irol-presentations

Click on "IAG Presentations" and then "Capital Markets Day"

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
Much better than the A340, much better economics for sure, but almost 300 (19-269) seats is not a small plane anyway.

It's not small, but I guess that IB needs a lot of Y seats on that route, and not so many J class as the A340 used to have (the A340 config years ago was 36J 218Y). With the densified cabin along with the better economics of the A332 I'm sure it's gonna be easier for them to make the route work.

BTW, rumor has it that LAX and BOS are going back to year round with the A332s.

[Edited 2015-11-16 13:37:58]
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Tue Nov 17, 2015 8:13 am

Quoting ooslc (Reply 10):
I'm gonna guess it's configured similar to airBerlin's A332 as they have 19 in business as well.
Quoting mfc (Reply 14):
You can see the configuration on slide 74 in the Capital Markets Day presentation:

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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:05 am

Quoting mfc (Reply 14):
I guess that IB needs a lot of Y seats on that route, and not so many J class as the A340 used to have (the A340 config years ago was 36J 218Y). With the densified cabin along with the better economics of the A332 I'm sure it's gonna be easier for them to make the route work.

Basically, the A332's are not being used as a smaller capacity A343 / A333 as one would expect, but as a similar capacity, but less premium aircraft instead. So I guess we can expect to see the new A332's on more leisure heavy routes.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:04 pm

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 12):
They are also looking at Managua, Nicaragua which hasn't been served by IB since it closed its MIA hub back in 2002.

Managua is a small market, but nobody else flies there from Europe and it does not have the tourism like Costa Rica or Panama, but I guess the place should develop so maybe attracting an airline from Europe is a move from the govertment to attract some money from outside, so I'd not be surprise if they pay IB to keep some 3-4 weekly flights alive for a while until profitable, but I don't think it will be a dedicated flight, maybe as a tag on from other destination or something like MAD-SAP-MNG-MAD

Quoting mfc (Reply 14):
BTW, rumor has it that LAX and BOS are going back to year round with the A332s.

It will be great to see that, and maybe the return of IAD.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 9):
Cordoba, Argentina. Yet I am not sure if this route was closed with the "reorganisation" or a bit earlier.

I am also not sure, but maybe we will see Cordoba back in the future, I read once that it could work with MVD or ASU.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 16):
So I guess we can expect to see the new A332's on more leisure heavy routes.

something similar to other airlines having configure planes for this routes, so maybe we will see them often in HAV, SDQ, SJU.

Quoting crazytoaster (Reply 8):
Does IB even operate an A330-200 yet?

Not yet, all the A330 in the fleet are A333, 8 of them in 36-242 configuration.

Quoting mfc (Reply 14):
You can see the configuration on slide 74 in the Capital Markets Day presentation:

I can't see the link properly, but if IB new A332 has the same style than the A333, then that means 1-2-1 configuration so in the last row one of the window seats will be missing or maybe block for crew rest (third pilot).
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Tue Nov 17, 2015 4:39 pm

Puerto Rico is in a major economic crisis; very few can afford a European vacation. Puerto Rico is also a pricey vacation market; good luck! There is no demand for 2 carriers on the same European route. IB has the best chances to succeed; they offer the connections to/from MAD and their brand is well recognized in Puerto Rico; hope they stay permanently.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:23 am

Quoting realsim (Thread starter):
From May 15, 2016, 3 weekly flights (Monday, Wednesday and Sunday)

Interesting that they would start in May - it seems that the bulk of traffic would be in the winter with a lot of Europeans going on vacation or going to get on a cruise ship.
 
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RE: IB Resumes MAD-SJU

Wed Nov 18, 2015 11:20 am

Quoting AZA330 (Reply 19):
Interesting that they would start in May - it seems that the bulk of traffic would be in the winter with a lot of Europeans going on vacation or going to get on a cruise ship.

For the summer, high season for cruises and European tourist. Maybe IB don't get the plane until then also, I am not sure when is the first A332 schedule to arrive.

By the way UX is also getting ex-skymark A330, I am not sure what are they going to do with them, if charter operations or they are planning new long haul expansion.

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