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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:10 pm

Five of those 737-332s were delivered to Delta,at least two in full colors.Not sure if they entered service.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:16 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 37):
How about Continental and the A300. How long did they fly those for?

1986-1995, starting with six airframes.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:25 pm

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 42):
PSA had two DC-9-30s in the early 70s for a short time long before they picked up the -30s

I thought PSA's first go-around with DC-9-30s was in the late 1960s. By the early 1970s they had the 737-200, 727-100 and 727-200s.

I still think this is a fun thread.

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 39):
Eastern:

DC-6
DC-8-61/63
747
DC-10

All in service less than five years ~

The EA DC-8-61s/63s were with them that short of a time? I would have guessed much longer.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:28 pm

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 49):

Similar story with the 10 A320s
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 52):
The EA DC-8-61s/63s were with them that short of a time? I would have guessed much longer.

No sure what short or long means to you but click here and scroll down: http://www.oocities.org/aeromoe/fleets/eastern.html
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 45):
HP / America West 747-200s

I remember seeing them in LAS, a rare but wonderful sight. Didn't they have a couple L-1011's around the same time or I am just old and senile?   
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 8):
DL flew the L382 (Herc for something like 7-8 years IIRC)

Those were purely for cargo, though, right? I'd be quite upset if I were to learn that they were used for pax, having never made the effort to get myself on one.  
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:44 pm

Quite recently WN and the 717s.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:48 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 55):
Didn't they have a couple L-1011's around the same time or I am just old and senile?   

You're kind of right, I believe they wet-leased one or two L1011's from ATA to cover the Hawaii flights after the 747's were sold. I think they were painted all white, but may have had a small HP logo on the tail.

Speaking of HP, some of their earliest A320's came from Braniff III. They were probably only in service with Braniff for a month or so before they were parked when Braniff closed up shop. I believe they were part of an order from PanAm that was never taken up. I could be wrong though.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:48 pm

Eastern replaced all of their DC-8s with L-1011s.I forgot about PSA and the 737-200s.
Delta operated Constellations twice.The first 6 were 749s from the C&S merger for about 2 years and 4 049s bought from Pan Am 1956-58.They also operated FH227s from the Northeast merger for a short time.2 were in Delta colors.Also from the Northeast merger were a few 727-95s operated for about 5 years.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:51 pm

Allegheny and the Nord-262's seemed to have a very short life ..
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:56 pm

Quoting tomaheath (Reply 36):

Would like to see some photos of UA DC-10

There's, likely, a ton of photos in the database of UA DC-10s. I think they were in the fleet for almost 30 years.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:06 pm

Delta used A310s they acquired from Pan Am (and took delivery of some from Airbus) in the 90s only to get rid of them for more 767s.

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:08 pm

SQ and Concorde!


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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:08 pm

Mesa YV flew the Fokker 70 for a short period of time as America West Express, I believe only two frames were delivered: N528YV and N537YV. Mesa later opted for the CRJ series aircraft for the HP brand.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:12 pm

How long did Northwest have MD-80s in their fleet? If I'm remembering correctly they inherited them from Republic, and ironically got rid of them long before the DC-9.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:13 pm

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 59):
I forgot about PSA and the 737-200s.

PSA owned 737-200s from 1968-1976. I thought they were taken out of service in 1974, but I may be wrong. The last was sold in 1976.

It wasn't that short of a span.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting 38m (Reply 47):
Skymark A330-300 can be an example as well

And perhaps Skymark A380, built but never delivered due to breech of contract thus never operated...
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting winterlight (Reply 63):
SQ and Concorde!

Or BN and Concorde...only ever operated for a few hours before leaving the fleet :P

Quoting Western727 (Reply 56):
Those were purely for cargo, though, right? I'd be quite upset if I were to learn that they were used for pax, having never made the effort to get myself on one.

Yeah, tough to get a ride on a Herc unless you work for an airline that flies em, or get it as a troop transport in the military. The view out the front is pretty incredible.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:20 pm

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 65):
How long did Northwest have MD-80s in their fleet?

1986 to about 2002.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 65):
If I'm remembering correctly they inherited them from Republic,

Yes, following the merger. Nine in all, however one was lost when it crashed on take off from DTW in 1987.

Quoting Yflyer (Reply 65):
and ironically got rid of them long before the DC-9.

Not that long, since NW was merged into DL in 2008.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:31 pm

Didn't Midway operate the A320 for a short time and ditch them in favor of the 737?
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:36 pm

SK and the Q400 is another.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:41 pm

Also, Iberia and the Fokker F28, for about 3 years on training and cargo flights only.

Cheers   
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 21):
AirTran and the lone wet-leased A320.

I think they actually had 3 of them as part of that deal. There's no way they could serve ATL-LAX/LAS/SFO daily with one plane.

And it was an evaluation of sorts, they wanted a second fleet that was bigger and longer-ranged than the 717. They ultimately went with the 737 instead.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:48 pm

BOAC and the Handley Page Hermes from 1950-1952. Comet I from 1952-1954. And the return of the Hermes for a very short time after the Comet disasters.

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:53 pm

Quoting vatveng (Reply 73):
I think they actually had 3 of them as part of that deal.

Actually four, from two sources.

http://www.planespotters.net/product...bus&type=A320&fleetStatus=historic
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:01 pm

UA and the Caravelle...
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:08 pm

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 76):
UA and the Caravelle...

United's Caravelles spanned from 1961-1973. They were not short lived.
 
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Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:15 pm

 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:38 pm

Braathens SAFE operated the 767 for just two years before going back to all narrow body fleet. From memory, they were early adopter of the type..perhaps the second European carrier to operate the type after Britannia.

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:44 pm

AF and the DC10
AF and the B767
Both from UTA and Aeromaritime following the merger.

I think also AF and the Transall C-160 for postal services.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:15 pm

ATA had 737-300s (ex-UA) for a few years in mid-2000s before retiring them. I believe it was 2-3 years at most.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting IFlyATA (Reply 81):
ATA had 737-300s (ex-UA) for a few years in mid-2000s before retiring them. I believe it was 2-3 years at most.

Well, they also had 738's in the fleet, and the classics can be flown on the same type rating   Now maintenance spares, on the other hand...the CFM56-3 and CFM56-7 series are quite different beasts from what I understand. Also, the -300 used an oxygen bottle for the cabin masks, whereas the NG birds use O2 generators, so there's some operational differences there, not to mention the shorter range of the -300's.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:50 pm

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 79):
perhaps the second European carrier to operate the type after Britannia.

Britannia got their hands on one of them too...

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:04 am

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 79):
From memory, they were early adopter of the type..perhaps the second European carrier to operate the type after Britannia.

BY received its very first Feb. 6th, 1984 (l/n 79) while BU took delivery of LN-SUV Mar. 23, 1984 (l/n 81).

Pacific Western B767s were also short lived, as were CP Air 727s.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:25 am

Quoting UltimateDelta (Reply 43):
Then, of course, they took a bunch of used ones around 1998, and those lasted for a while.

And what a disaster those were! They were referred to as the "G" (Germanias) -- had all sorts of tech issues, and, IIRC, needed a special type rating to fly them. They also had, again, IIRC. no air vents and either just 2 or 3 rows in "F".
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:45 am

Don't know if it was mentioned, but I believe Mesa had a short lived relationship with the Fokker 70 (and the only US carrier to ever operate it)
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:50 am

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 50):
Not sure if they entered service.

Ah, gotcha- that's what I was thinking of. Thanks for the correction.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 12:59 am

Continental had one DC-4 for one year.
Northwest operated 25 Martin 202s 1947-1951.The crews refused to fly them after five were lost in accidents.
PSA had one DC-6B for a short time.
Capital operated three Super DC-3s 1950-1952.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:19 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 19):
WN with the 727

Couldn't forget that one, the one off plane.

Also America West and the 747.
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 1:55 am

Here are others I can think of:

Alitalia and the 727.

Finnair and the A300.

SAS and the A300.

Braniff and the A320.

Interflug and the A310.

Cathay and the 707.

Egypt Air and the Tu-154.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:10 am

Quoting cschleic (Reply 89):
Couldn't forget that one, the one off plane.

Actually 4 aircraft.

N406BN, N551PE, N561PE, N564PE in Anet data base.

N406BN was part of an antitrust settlement with BN and the green-mustard paint scheme.
The other three were leased.

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:12 am

Braniff runs in 2 terms flew Airbus 320 in short time until bankrupt again. There was Braniff had in Kansas City mini hub.



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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:14 am

AA probably has historically had some of the most short-lived fleet types, mostly through merger and acquistions. Some made it into AA liverys, some were hybrids, others never did.

Specifically look at all the fleet types inherited through the following mergers:

AirCal 146, 731, 73S, 733
Reno Air M87, M90
TWA D9S, 717, PW-757s
 
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:16 am

Air Austral's 77L was pretty short lived, only 4 years. It just got returned to the lessor today (Nov. 16).

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting Okie (Reply 91):

Actually 4 aircraft.

N406BN, N551PE, N561PE, N564PE in Anet data base.

N406BN was part of an antitrust settlement with BN and the green-mustard paint scheme.
The other three were leased.

Okie

IIRC, it was a total of 6 birds (two Braniff-the antitrust machine and a later lease) and 4 leased People Express birds...
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:26 am

CP and the 737-300, 727-100, 727-200, 747-100/200 which all had short service lives with the airline.

Also 707-138 but that was a short-term lease.

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:42 am

Quoting bw50505 (Reply 94):
Air Austral's 77L was pretty short lived, only 4 years. It just got returned to the lessor today (Nov. 16).

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I saw it at LAX tonight on the North ramp Transient pen.
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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:08 am

Braathens did not only have the 767s for a short time, there was also a Vickers Viscount sitting at Bornemouth painted in their colors and given a Norwegian registry,(LN-SUN -later given to their first F-27) but not delivered due to issues with getting permits for their F.E. operations. (FE meaning Far East).

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RE: Short Lived Type At Airlines

Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting catiii (Reply 61):
database of UA DC-10s. I think they were in the fleet for almost 30 years.

Obviously he meant UAL L1011.

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