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AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:19 am

Anybody know what is happening with AF0065 (LAX-CDG) they turned back two hours after departure and diverted to SLC.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:31 am

Can SLC handle an A388?
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:32 am

Wow, an A380 at SLC. I wonder how much chaos that's causing.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:34 am

Any SLC spotters able to post pics?
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:40 am

F-HPJD is the aircraft.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:47 am

Quoting 76794p (Reply 1):
Can SLC handle an A388?


If its an emergency...
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:48 am

I have no idea what to think. It could be fake. Which I hope:

Quote:
SLCPD Arresting an ISIS member in SLC. Attempted Hijacking on an Air France Airbus A380
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:50 am

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):

Nothing in the major news networks. I have a feeling the kid is just seeking attention.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:53 am

FYI: An AF 777 has been diverted to YHZ. Emergency crew on the scene.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:56 am

The flight was at FL370, 60 miles west of IDA when it changed course and went straight to SLC.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:59 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 9):
FYI: An AF 777 has been diverted to YHZ. Emergency crew on the scene.

Which flight was this?
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting edmountain (Reply 11):
Which flight was this?

Air France 55 (IAD-CDG)
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:01 am

Quoting edmountain (Reply 11):
Which flight was this?

AF55 IAD-CDG.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:02 am

More than likely just precautions considering the current state of affairs.

[Edited 2015-11-17 19:08:05]
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:05 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 6):

And later on the idiot says he was just told someone trying to access the cockpit.

Yeah that's the same thing as an ISIS member being arrested....what an attention seeker.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):

Must be parked on the west side of the airport. That photo is taken from one of the E-gates at SLC. The objects on the right side in the foreground are parts of the boarding ramps that OO uses for CRJs on the E concourse.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:11 am

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 16):
Must be parked on the west side of the airport.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:13 am

KSL news is reporting diversion due to bomb threat.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=37407464&nid...threat&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:13 am

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BREAKING: Air France flight from LAX en route to Paris was diverted to SLC due to a bomb threat.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:15 am

Would it normally have needed a fuel dump? I assume a bomb threat they would land ASAP.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 20):
I assume a bomb threat they would land ASAP.

As SpaceshipDC10 said:

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 10):
The flight was at FL370, 60 miles west of IDA when it changed course and went straight to SLC.

More info on the flight:
www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/af65/#8026c0e
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:20 am

I didn't realize SLC could take the 380--I thought Vegas was the closest 380-capable airport.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:21 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 22):
I didn't realize SLC could take the 380--I thought Vegas was the closest 380-capable airport.

It's an emergency situation, so the flight diverts to the closest airport possible.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:23 am

CNN reporting plane was diverted due to a security situation, US Air Force fighters were scrambled to escort aircraft to diversion airport SLC. All media questions are being referred to the Department of Homeland Security.
Air France Flight 55 from Dulles to CDG was diverted to Halifax while en route over the Atlantic due to a probable bomb threat.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 22):
I didn't realize SLC could take the 380--I thought Vegas was the closest 380-capable airport.

The Anatov 124 has been In SLC several times
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:35 am

Quoting ridgid727 (Reply 25):
The Anatov 124 has been In SLC several times

As has the C-5.

Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 23):
It's an emergency situation, so the flight diverts to the closest airport possible.

Yes, we know it was an emergency. But it didn't land at IDA, or TWF, PIH, or JAC or LGU or BMC, all of which were closer than SLC (and couldn't fit an A380 anyway). My point is, I thought that when the A380 entered service, specific airports were designated as diversion-capable airports for the A380. SLC wasn't one of them, IIRC, but LAS was.

Am I remembering wrong? Do the diversion-capable A380 airports only apply to some anomalies/emergencies? Has SLC since been approved as an A380 diversion airport?
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:37 am

I'm just glad both planes landed safety. I wouldn't want to take any chances, especially since the terrorist attack in Paris and that the flight was on Air France to Paris.


Very happy this didn't turn into another tragedy like the Metrojet Flight 9268.   

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 26):
Yes, we know it was an emergency. But it didn't land at IDA, or TWF, PIH, or JAC or LGU or BMC, all of which were closer than SLC (and couldn't fit an A380 anyway). My point is, I thought that when the A380 entered service, specific airports were designated as diversion-capable airports for the A380. SLC wasn't one of them, IIRC, but LAS was.

Am I remembering wrong? Do the diversion-capable A380 airports only apply to some anomalies/emergencies? Has SLC since been approved as an A380 diversion airport?

Considering it was at FL370 when it turned around, SLC probably was just as close as IDA, TWF when calculating the descent it needed to make.... Also SLC is a DL hub and with Skyteam presence which Air France is a member of, makes it easier to re-accomodate passengers and possibly put onto different flights. Also worth mentioning is that they needed an aiirport with adequate staffing and a US customs presence. The pax will be sequestered and interviewed on something like this. The aircraft landed overweight and AF engineers will need to be flown in from LAX to inspect the plane. It will probably be there at least until tomorrow or longer.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:55 am

Why wouldn't SLC be designated as a diversion airport for the A380? It has generous twin 12,000 ft / 3658m runways, a decent CBP facility. Only jetways would be an issue, and that would really only affect conveinence for boarding and disembarking. Its not a regular service A380 airport.

That said, would love to see a video of a loaded A380 drop in on JAC with its 6450 ft runway, that would be something to see.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:55 am

Could that distinction refer to taxiways and gate clearances specifically? If the goal is to get the plane on the ground ASAP what do you need to know besides runway length?
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:01 am

While it was the closest airport, various charts show IDA cannot support the weight of an A380 without damaging the runway and likely the aircraft. SLC and BOI were the closest airports that could take AF65. SLC makes sense as there are major passenger operations plus it's a SkyTeam partner, Delta, hub. BOI has pretty limited options for accommodating stranded passengers.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:13 am

Quoting varsity (Reply 30):
Could that distinction refer to taxiways and gate clearances specifically? If the goal is to get the plane on the ground ASAP what do you need to know besides runway length?

How much fuel does the aircraft need to dump before it can "safely land?" Given the route, it appears they made the decision to divert closer to RNO. SLC makes the most sense given it has the runways, taxiways and tarmacs that can support an AF A388 on an occasion diversionary basis. It will be a pain if they have to disembark the aircraft given a B772L (or E) or B77W is a large plane as SLC is designed to handle at present (a 744 is possible if only jet bridges to the main deck are used). The aircraft will need to be refueled for the 10.5 hour flight to CDG that DL does all the timeat present with a 763ER.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:15 am

Quoting jreuschl (Reply 20):
Would it normally have needed a fuel dump? I assume a bomb threat they would land ASAP.

You never need a fuel dump - you can land all the way up to MTOW if you need to, and the airplane is designed to handle it. They might have dumped as much as they could on the way, but it's certainly not something they'd spend additional time doing.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:20 am

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...5/history/20151118/0701Z/KSLC/LFPG

I know Flightaware can be wrong, but they do show the flight taking off again tonight.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:33 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 32):
The aircraft will need to be refueled for the 10.5 hour flight to CDG that DL does all the timeat present with a 763ER.

I have flown DL89 SLC-CDG, seven times and it has never been a 10.5 hour flight. mostly it is 8.5-9 hrs.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:46 am

Quoting varsity (Reply 30):

Could that distinction refer to taxiways and gate clearances specifically? If the goal is to get the plane on the ground ASAP what do you need to know besides runway length?

Area-wise, SLC is bigger than DXB. Its a SPACIOUS airport. Look at google earth, its easy to see that the A380 could operate unimpeded on either of the main runways, taxiways and the super-generous apron there. Can't speak to weight, but if SLC can handle the C5 and military ops, then the A380 isn't going to have a problem.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:54 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 24):
All media questions are being referred to the Department of Homeland Security.

Oh great, now we will never get the truth!
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:56 am

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 32):
Quoting bluejuice (Reply 31):
Quoting timpdx (Reply 36):

I get all of that, but it's not my point.

I thought there was a list of airports that the A380 is "allowed" to divert to, and I didn't think SLC was on it, but LAS was. I thought it had to do with the load bearing ability of runways and especially taxiways, and size/design of taxiways, etc.

What I've been asking is, is there actually such a list? Is SLC on it? I thought it wasn't. If so, what type of emergency supercedes the list? Those sorts of things.

Obviously SLC can handle it because it's there. SLC is one of the top 20 busiest airports in the country and is generally very efficient. But I didn't think it had the design characteristics to be specifically approved for A380 diversions, which I thought was required.

Am I way out in left field?

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:01 am

AirFrance doesn't show it taking off until 00:01 18NOV Mountain time from SLC arriving 17:50 18NOV CET. Its not scheduled to depart for another 3 hours.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:10 am

Glad to see both planes have landed safely, this has to stop. I hope the authorities will quickly trace the call(s) and arrest the perpetrators.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:13 am

SLC local news and various twitter sources say that all pax are sequestered in customs area, and being interviewed 1 by 1. I seriously doubt the flight continues tonight.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:38 am

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 41):
SLC local news and various twitter sources say that all pax are sequestered in customs area, and being interviewed 1 by 1. I seriously doubt the flight continues tonight.

1 by 1? What would be the point of that, except to intimidate people? The FBI knows the threat was called in, obviously not by someone on the plane.

Twitter says the flight is "cleared" and may depart soon.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 38):
I get all of that, but it's not my point.

I thought there was a list of airports that the A380 is "allowed" to divert to, and I didn't think SLC was on it, but LAS was. I thought it had to do with the load bearing ability of runways and especially taxiways, and size/design of taxiways, etc.

What I've been asking is, is there actually such a list? Is SLC on it? I thought it wasn't. If so, what type of emergency supercedes the list? Those sorts of things.

Obviously SLC can handle it because it's there. SLC is one of the top 20 busiest airports in the country and is generally very efficient. But I didn't think it had the design characteristics to be specifically approved for A380 diversions, which I thought was required.

Am I way out in left field?

I think you are way out in left field. Approved airports for diversions are mostly for weather or other non-emergency type landings. When you have an emergency (i.e. a bomb threat) you land at the closest suitable airport and use a bit of common sense.

Obviously, you don't land in JAC (doesn't really need an explanation as of why) and you don't land it at a tiny airport that probably doesn't even have stairs high enough to reach the cabin door (IDA, PIH etc). In this case, SLC was the best airport to divert to and that's where it went.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:50 am

How many passengers do the AF ones hold? It's really scary to think about a bomb aboard an A380. However, I'm sure the threat was called in by some edgelord who found a way to be powerful while staying in his mother's basement.
 
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 16):
Must be parked on the west side of the airport. That photo is taken from one of the E-gates at SLC. The objects on the right side in the foreground are parts of the boarding ramps that OO uses for CRJs on the E concourse.

Unusual place to park it, over on the west side, although maybe the location close to the customs facilities had something to do with it. In all the years I worked at SLC, most diversions (that didn't go into a gate), were parked on the transient ramp, just north of the DL cargo building.
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:59 am

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 44):

http://news.yahoo.com/paris-bound-fl...erted-utah-security-033434221.html

I know it is unrelated but the comments there are so disturbing :/
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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:41 am

Well, I hope the guys who tried this stupid stunt get a free ticket to Gitmo.

Crazy world, nice to see nothing happened.

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RE: AF0065 Diverted To SLC

Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:49 am

Quoting FlightShadow (Reply 38):
I thought it had to do with the load bearing ability of runways and especially taxiways, and size/design of taxiways, etc.

The A380 has less weight per wheel than the 777. But yes, no matter what plane, you want an airport that is designed to handle your aircraft. Length and width of runway, etc. The rest, customs, accommodation, jetways... those are options.

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