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The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:30 pm

In these politically crazy times where people seem unable to agree on the color of a school bus, the benefits of eating apples or whether its really okay to put silverware in the microwave (it isn't, trust me) I thought it might be nice to have a single place to document, discuss, and politely debate all of those things that people on Airliners know are true, 100% without exception. I can offer a few suggestions to get things started:

1) The B757 is flat out, by far, the greatest single airplane ever invented. When the Wright Brothers were puttering (however shortly) above Kitty Hawk, they actually had a vision of the 757 in mind (they just could not get the engines in time and they couldn't build it in their garage)

2) Delta Airlines will be flying MDs until the 200th anniversary of powered flight

3) Phoenix will be de-hubbed by the new AA as soon as Doug Parker gets his new monogrammed stationary back from the printer.

4) UA is the aviation equivalent of a greyhound bus with a bad oil leak and three flat tires.

5) All Frequent Flyer Programs are all now a waste of time and will do little to encourage loyalty or passion about a certain airline.

6) in a few years IAD will be turned into a housing development and Amazon Distribution complex

There are so many more... please feel free to share your own "This is gospel truth on Airliners" observations. Hopefully no one will be harmed in the discussions on this post.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:41 pm

MIA is the god airport of the world and every airline needs to be there
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:47 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Thread starter):
1) The B757 is flat out, by far, the greatest single airplane ever invented. When the Wright Brothers were puttering (however shortly) above Kitty Hawk, they actually had a vision of the 757 in mind (they just could not get the engines in time and they couldn't build it in their garage)

And very obviously the main purpose of designing it was to haul fish  
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:48 pm

7) 320s are always more comfortable than 738s

Quoting 757usairways (Reply 1):
MIA is the god airport of the world and every airline needs to be there

           

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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:49 pm

This is the greatest post in the history of the internet
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:51 pm

This is going to go down as one of the most Classic A.net threads in history I have a feeling.... *insert Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif here"
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:51 pm

My core truth:

An unoperated route will always be viable because of ethnic minorities living in that city, most prominently to but not exclusively to US cities.

There are more I could think of, but I won't steal your thunder.  
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:52 pm

7) 757 will be revived with new "max" option

8) UA will surrender both LAX and IAD while AA keeps every single hub and focus city

9) Airlines don't cancel profitable routes
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:54 pm

10) everyone will be paid by Venezuela
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:59 pm

Very funny, but unfortunately true. I stopped paying attention to the FF longtime ago. With all the blackouts and restrictions it is virtually impossible to use them so you are right I use to purchase tickets according to my FF membership but no more.

The one I would add is this...with the new runway configuration at ORD the average taxi to the gate is longer than the flight itself.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:00 pm

Anything about the 767-400  

And the Concorde is coming back...

[Edited 2015-11-20 14:07:26]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:01 pm

Nobody flies economy and the simple fact that it exists is to drain money from the high yielding premium seats.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:05 pm

All Hawaii flights are loss-leaders, loose money and are just full of FF redemption

HND slots are worth their weight in gold

DL uses a dartboard for route planning

Everyone hates CRJs
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:06 pm

How about the A321 is always superior to the 737-900ER?
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:08 pm

All Middle Eastern carriers operate flown load factors of no less than 99.8% in and out of DFW every single month regardless of what facts or figures claim otherwise.

JNB-MIA, HKG-MIA, NRT-MIA, TPE-MIA, and SYD-MIA will be announced no later than tomorrow. I know this because I'm in the know and you aviation serfs are not, but feel free to speculate who else may or may not announce so that I definitely can't tell you whether you're right or wrong.

[Edited 2015-11-20 14:11:06]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:08 pm

Airline mergers, we need more of them. Because we have too many airlines flying the USA right now.

[Edited 2015-11-20 14:09:09]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:08 pm

Newark Airport is a third rate provincial landing strip and it contributes nothing to NYC's air service market. It exists strictly to serve us low class Jersey trash and our corrupt politicians.



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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:09 pm

ME3 are not subsidized.

EK pays Dubai and not the reverse.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
All Hawaii flights are loss-leaders, loose money and are just full of FF redemption

Yea it's sad because this line of thinking is so prevalent. People think all those 767s and 777s going to OGG and KOA are just to keep FF happy.

Quoting roseflyer (Reply 13):
How about the A321 is always superior to the 737-900ER?

I think the current "common knowledge" is that in the nextgens of NEO vs. MAX, 321neo is better than 739max, which has a certain amount of truth in it, but fails to account for cost of acquisition.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:11 pm

There will never be another 4 engine airliner developed.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:19 pm

NW is still flying the DC-9.

DL will merge with AS.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:20 pm

-The Supreme Court is not the highest court in the land. The court of Anet opinion is.
-Pilots are supreme beings and are infallible.
-Unions are nothing more than a) a Commie plot or b) salvation from brutal overlords.
-Everyone at the airline can run it better than "management."
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:27 pm

From a European perspective

1. Berlin Brandenburg will be finished, but not in the lifetime of anyone reading this.

2. Schengen is dead in the water
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:35 pm

1) Computers fly ABs and humans fly Boeings.

2a) It's better if the computer does the flying.
2b) It's better if the human does the flying.
(take your pick between a & b)
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:37 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Thread starter):
The B757 is flat out, by far, the greatest single airplane ever invented. When the Wright Brothers were puttering (however shortly) above Kitty Hawk, they actually had a vision of the 757 in mind (they just could not get the engines in time and they couldn't build it in their garage)

Negative you are thinking about the (specifically) Delta B764 which is the greatest machine of any type ever created on this earth AND IF YOU DISAGREE I WILL SUE YOU!
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:38 pm

-Air India messed up X today, for the Yth time

-O&D is everything. ATL just has the most O&D. JFK and LAX are entirely O&D.

-Don't use the search box! It doesn't work! (Serious!)

-Airline XX will totally buy those used 747-400's, and will start a fleet of 747-8's!

-Airlines have zero reason to care about their economy product, yet all of the reasons to care about Business.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):

HND slots are worth their weight in gold

-HND Daytime slots are worth their weight in Unobtanium

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-The destiny of your thread may be Purgatory. Otherwise known as Travel, Polls & Prefs.

[Edited 2015-11-20 14:44:56]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:38 pm

EAS service will be maintained , Amtrak -like, with fleet of Q400'; mandatory codeshares and triangle routings.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 22):
Berlin Brandenburg will be finished, but not in the lifetime of anyone reading this.

Or our kids lifetimes, or their kids lifetimes, or anyone else's lifetimes...
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:39 pm

1) Continental was the best carrier to ever grace the sky. PMUA was by far the worst with their sole business goal being to steal Christmas from puppy dogs and small children.
2) The A319 is *obviously* better than the 73G in terms of takeoff performance. Anyone who says otherwise is an Airbus hatin' armchair CEO.
3) The A321LR is the holy grail of airplanes and will eventually replace every aircraft between the B1900D and A388 in size.
4) Flying a 3-4-3 777 or a 3-3-3 is 787 is akin to being fed slowly into a woodchipper feet-first.
5) The 739 is only capable of flight because of the Earth's immense revulsion at the creation of such a machine.
6) The A350 is both the prettiest and ugliest aircraft ever created.

 

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[Edited 2015-11-20 14:41:58]
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting 777X (Reply 27):

Or our kids lifetimes, or their kids lifetimes, or anyone else's lifetimes...

My bet is on it being canned when one day internal investigations might potentially reveal shady things happening with the money. Does that count?
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:45 pm

EWR is a world class airport and is totally NYC and people are morons for liking JFK and LGA over it.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:46 pm

From the nursing home crowd who have not flown since 1985 -

"All airline food today is crap. You should have seen the food back in the day! I once had a steak in Economy Class on a United DC-10! You don't get food like that nowadays."
I do enjoy a spot of flying, especially when it's not in economy!
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:46 pm

A380 showed just how (brilliant/idiotic) Airbus management is.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:46 pm

Passengers will only ever buy the cheapest fare, even if it's to somewhere that they don t actually want to fly to.

Cabin crew are always on a power trip enforcing rules that shouldn't or don't exist.

[Edited 2015-11-20 14:52:44]
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:56 pm

Every Airbus product is a Boeing 'killer' and will sell thousands and if you disagree you are wrong

[Edited 2015-11-20 15:02:01]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:58 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 2):

Bravo!!! Only the second reply in the thread. Clearly the 757 was designed with the immense Icelandair fish market in mind!

Other A-net truths:

-Widebody routes that have poor LFs still make money because of all the cargo in the belly
-If it's full, it must be profitable. If it is not, it's the bean-counters' fault
-A route to XXX would be profitable because my neighbor's best friend's husband's colleague's mother is from there and only flies in first class
-Long-haul first class is profitable and anyone with a product worse than the ME3 doesn't care about their customers
-European carriers have a superior product to all US carriers...even short-haul
-Price, schedule and frequency are not nearly as important as product, fees, FF program and meals when purchasing air travel
-All US carriers are idiots (except Southwest)
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:10 pm

1) If a seat is even 1/16th of an inch shy of 18 inches wide, then it is completely unbearable and, indeed, a crime against humanity.

2) If any airline is not able to fly the A380 profitably, then that airline is stupid or just isn't trying hard enough. -ir
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:20 pm

Aircraft being retired before 20? 100% chance DL will buy them.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:22 pm

AF never washes their airplanes
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:24 pm

Rekkof is still a viable program.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:25 pm

1. Southeast Michigan is a bombed out war zone, and nobody who lives there can afford to travel in anything but a 1979 Plymouth Volare - not one person in the area can afford a nice car, let alone an airplane ticket.

2. Any route from Detroit to the Middle East will be immensely profitable because of all the Arabs in Michigan.

3. Any route from Minneapolis to Scandinavia will be immensely profitable because of all the Scandinavians in Minnesota.

4. either (A) aircraft should have no window shades, so passengers can always look out the window, or (B) aircraft should have no windows, so passengers' sleep will not be disturbed by natural light - take your pick.

5. Southwest Airlines is large enough that it's inevitable they will start flying A320s alongside their 737s, because a mixed fleet will be more profitable for them.

6. It's perfectly reasonable for the US Government to spend billions of dollars on New York City's 2nd Avenue Subway, which benefits only people who choose to live and work in New York, but EAS is a waste of money and unfair to taxpayers because it only benefits people who have chosen to live in rural areas.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:26 pm

Icelandair will never find a true 757 replacement and fish transportation will suffer when the last one gets retired.

[Edited 2015-11-20 15:31:05]
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:26 pm

1.) Miami. The demand for premium service there is simply unlike anything the world has ever seen. Also it has 600 PDEW to everywhere in the world, including Edmonton which is why that will be a perfect scissors hub to connect Miami to Asia, unless American starts MIA-NRT which is launching "any day now" since 2004.

2.) Miami. You're a complete fool if you think it doesn't deserve a second mention. It's definitely not just a city where the 1% of every South American nation likes to hide its money. To suggest that is simply an insult. Walk down Collins Boulevard in Miami Beach and you'll literally be tripping over the premium demand oozing from every doorway! Also, 600 PDEW to everywhere and now it's also time to argue about how large the metro area is!

3.) FLL is for trash yields and scum who don't dress nicely enough to use MIA. Except that it's part of the metro Miami area (which is DEFINITELY larger than Boston's metro area!) so it is also oozing with premium demand. Just not as much of it! But still a lot!

4.) International service to MCO was just started because Aer Lingus and Emirates and Icelandair didn't have planes with the right level of luxury for Miami. But they will start Miami soon.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:29 pm

LAX connects nobody. It is 100% O&D.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:30 pm

13) It's not a writeoff. Let's wait for the official report. A new wing and fuselage can easily be spliced on that 25 year old A320
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:30 pm

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 4):
This is the greatest post in the history of the internet

I think this post may actually break the internet.

Anybody care to mock-up a picture of a jumbo jet with its backside hanging out a bin bag?
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting brooklynchris13 (Thread starter):
The B757 is flat out, by far, the greatest single airplane ever invented.

Actually, the Lockheed L-1011 is, but some claim the Boeing 767-400 is.

Quoting S75752 (Reply 25):
O&D is everything

CASM is everything!

Quoting ScottishDavie (Reply 22):
Berlin Brandenburg will be finished, but not in the lifetime of anyone reading this.

In order for BER to open, smoke has agreed that it shall no longer rise.

Quoting Tdan (Reply 35):
Clearly the 757 was designed with the immense Icelandair fish market in mind!

No other aircraft shall ever carry an Icelandic fish, other than the Almighty 757! Passengers shall be left standing on the tarmac whilst tub after tub of Icelandic fish gets loaded into the belly of the Almighty 757! If the Almighty 757 should ever need to land in the water, it shall be kept afloat by the thousands of Icelandic fish swimming in its belly! The fish swimming in her belly shall propel her safely to the safe harbors on the shores of the Fatherland Iceland!
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:34 pm

IAH is the worst airport on the planet and UA needs to be taken apart piece by piece until it no longer exists because their coffee cups are smaller than DLs.
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:34 pm

* Airbus aircraft are too quiet - it's stressful for Americans flying on them because of that.

* The loud and almost unbearable noise of 707's and 727' are music to any A.netter's ears.

* Will they make a 737 ULTRA MAX that can fly 14 - 16 hour segments?

* Will AA/UA/DL replace the transatlantic 757's with 737's Why not? If Icelandair can, why can't they?

* Frequency is all that counts. The 737's and A321's coast-to-coast are way too large. Why don't the
US big-3 all by C-series aircraft, so they can replace their half hourly coast-to-coast flights with
flights every 15 minutes?

* Sure - the sheer number of small planes leads to unbearable delays, should only a small shower
be in the vicinity of NYC - but we love the choice of having a departure every 15 minutes ( even
if each and every flight is delayed by 2 hours).

* The foreign carriers flying large planes are stupid, government funded and plain obnoxious.
Don't they understand that a trans-Atlantic 757 is so much more comfortable than a 747?

* Emirates sucks - they are flying all these A380's.

* Emirates is great - they are flying all these 777's.
 
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RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:35 pm

1) Delta should have never demolished the Pan Am WorldPort and should have been required to maintain the facility for all eternity.

2) The people responsible for the design of the new American Airlines retro liveries should be fired immediately.

3) Sooner or later Southwest will have to charge for checked bags.

4) Sooner or later Alaska Airlines will join an airline alliance.

5) Anytime there is ever a struggling airline, Gordon Bethune can fix it!


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