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When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:31 am

Both Boeing and Airbus have recently unveiled new cabin concepts on the 787 and A350. To some degree, the new concepts are similar. Pivoting bins with a sweeping contour along both sides and forming a hanging "mushroom" in the middle of the cabin and extensive use of LED lights.

With Boeing's new Sky interior, they can offer a retrofit to their entire line of in-production products (except the 767, which has a 777-"Signature" style retrofit). The 737 will get a new Sky interior and the 777-8/9 will get their own version.

Airbus has not moved to significantly upgrade the interior on any existing model. The A330 has no retrofit and none will be made on the A330NEO. And while a 3rd party vendor is making a new Airbus A320 interior, Airbus has not moved to match Boeing's Sky interior.

Why this difference in approach?
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 4:42 am

While not having an official answer about this from Airbus, history has shown that Airbus tends to follow a process of evolution rather than revolution....the company has made small, gradual changes to the interior of the aircraft compared to the first airplanes that were delivered back in the early 1990s.

LED lighting is built into the current build A330 aircraft and the A330NEO will likely expand on this - I prefer the Airbus corporate interior design over that of the 777 and 787 interior that Boeing has as the current build standard.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting A320FlyGuy (Reply 1):
LED lighting is built into the current build A330 aircraft and the A330NEO will likely expand on this

Their official renderings have shown that there will be a handrail down the overheads with a light inside, like on the A350. But the bins themselves will not be changed much.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:21 am

Well, the renderings are likely somewhat preliminary, so I imagine that there is likely a chance that they will change between now and when the aircraft ends up being built and entering service. Interior design is also heavily driven by the needs and product offering of the purchasing airline - I haven't taken a long look at all of the A330NEO customers but it could be that customers who have ordered the aircraft don't want to deal with a major departure in interior design from the rest of the fleet of existing aircraft - I've often read that airlines prefer to maintain a common cabin experience, so it would make sense if airline XYZ has a large A330 fleet that their new aircraft should be as similar as possible.

Again - this is just my opinion and it could be spot on or it could be way out in left field.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:04 am

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
and none will be made on the A330NEO

Actually Airbus is introducing a new interior in the A330neo: http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/663677488946630656

It's somewhat A350ish.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:07 am

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 4):
Actually Airbus is introducing a new interior in the A330neo: http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/663677488946630656

It's somewhat A350ish.

Looks really great from those renderings.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:44 am

Quoting HA_DC9 (Reply 4):
Actually Airbus is introducing a new interior in the A330neo

While those renderings are very nice, there really isn't much difference once you look past the glowing lights. The side walls are the same, the overhead bins are the same and the large open space between Business and Economy is unlikely to be taken up by most airlines.

The A350 has a very nice cabin from what I can see but I agree with DocLightning that the A320 and A330 cabins pale in comparison to the Boeing equivalents and have started to look quite dated in comparison.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:02 am

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 6):
the A320 and A330 cabins pale in comparison to the Boeing equivalents

As has been said, they apply incremental improvements. I recently flew on a TAM A320 that had a cabin refresh and it had the new, larger bins and slimline seats. It looked very nice.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:57 pm

As has been said, the A330NEO will be getting a new A350ish cabin.

As for the A320, pivoting bins will come next year IIRC. Other so-called "cabin enhancements" will follow, such as SpaceFlex v2 and the 240 seat A321, but these are for the worse, towards further densification. For the A320 family, having an old cabin will actually become a welcome feature.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:55 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Why this difference in approach?

Airbus a/c are not used in the US where fees are charged for everything including baggage thus forcing pax to take everything onboard, so there is no pressure to make the onboard loading of carry on's better.
Its as good a thought as any, especially when folks seem to be claiming that Airbus is innovative with new tech in the A380, A350, NEO etc. but deliberate in upgrading existing a/c 
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 9):

Um...

Lots of EU airlines charge for checked baggage....like BA as an example. They now have a no checked bag tariff.

And lots of Airbii are used in the USA by rather large alrlines that do charge for bags, like DL and AA and UA.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:05 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 10):
Lots of EU airlines charge for checked baggage....like BA as an example. They now have a no checked bag tariff.

Only on short haul routes where people don't tend to bother with checked luggage anyway, and the difference in fare tends be minimal (as little as £10 in some cases). All long haul routes follow a traditional full service model.

The A330 has had some minor changes to the cabin over its life, similar to those found on the A320, like more curved, flush sidewalls. One of the most noticeable changes is the row of lights above the middle row of seats on the A330, they have been completely removed on newer models.

[Edited 2015-11-22 07:10:31]
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:28 pm

Are there any certification differences between EASA and FAA in relation to pivot bins?

I'd expect pivot bins to be less crashworthy than the regular fixed storage with lids.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 5:01 pm

Quoting WIederling (Reply 13):
Are there any certification differences between EASA and FAA in relation to pivot bins?

Nothing that can't be easily overcome if there were, considering the EASA had no problem certifying the 777, 787, and 737 with the sky interior. The A380 I believe also has the option for pivot bins.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:46 pm

As a tall person I think the bins on the A320 series work just fine. Pivoting bins reduce head height to get to the seat.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:28 pm

They have publicized the A330neo with have a new A350 style interior
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:33 pm

file:///C:/Users/jmu/Downloads/Airbus-FAST-special-edition-Oct2015%20(1).pdf

You will find something in there about the A330 cabin development. I think the design of the overhead bins, fast, articulated or pivoting is rather an airlines choice.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:04 pm

Hello


Seeing that the A330 is a product of the 90's, I think it would be a good ideal to have a major update of the cabin. Look, Airbus has only 4 families of jetliners, and the A330NEO, is the odd ball of Airbus. You see, on the smaller aircraft side, you have the A32X family, which competes with Boeing's 737, the A350XWB to compete with the 777 large twin wide body area and the A380, is Airbus's super size wide body product. Now the A330NEO, is supposed to compete with Boeing's ultra modern 787, so it cabin needs to be able to compete or at least come some what close 787 level.
 
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Sun Nov 22, 2015 11:43 pm

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 17):
file:///C:/Users/jmu/Downloads/Airbus-FAST-special-edition-Oct2015%20(1).pdf

You will find something in there about the A330 cabin development. I think the design of
the overhead bins, fast, articulated or pivoting is rather an airlines choice.

Great but it'll be hard for us to look at the file if it is linked from your hard drive.  

I would suggest trying this link instead   ;
http://www.airbus.com/support/public...tx_maglisting_pi1%5BdocID%5D=89461
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:47 am

Quoting WIederling (Reply 13):
I'd expect pivot bins to be less crashworthy than the regular fixed storage with lids.

Well if you are involved in a crash that deforms the Overhead storage, I bet you will be more concerned with saving your life than the bins...

The amount of stuff that now is brought into the cabin is ridiculous, hence the boarding time and the utter chaos when deplaning ...

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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:15 pm

Quoting r2rho (Reply 8):
As for the A320, pivoting bins will come next year IIRC.

A320 is getting a new seat too.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...family-in-partnership-with-recaro/
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:40 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 18):
so it cabin needs to be able to compete or at least come some what close 787 level.

Beyond the unending ohhs and ahhs in the press and the general public
the airlines were going for the new interior on its weight saving merits.

With a price conscious customer base "sexy/dated" doesn't do much for the bottom line either way.

Thus you will see a change if there are further weight reductions possible.
further back might be a more unified look across types.
( probably more for providing choice for airlines to go for their corporate branding style.)
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:04 am

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
The A330 has no retrofit and none will be made on the A330NEO.
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 17):
Now the A330NEO, is supposed to compete with Boeing's ultra modern 787, so it cabin needs to be able to compete or at least come some what close 787 level.

Just curious, what kind of cabin changes would you like to see?

> Regarding seats, any airline can pick the latest Zodiac seat and install them on the A330. There you have an up-to-date seat.
> Regarding overhead bins, the A330neo will get the new pivoting overhead stowage bins from the A320 family.
> Regarding cabin atmosphere, the A330neo will get the A350 LED mood lighting system.
> Regarding connectivity, the A330 already offers in-flight WiFi.
> Side walls and windows will remain unchanged.

What else can be changed? Not much I guess. I'd say the A330neo will be pretty much up-to-date.
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RE: When Will Airbus Redo The A330 Interior?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:16 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
I'd say the A330neo will be pretty much up-to-date.

I can only agree with that. The A330-neo will have an interior which will be up to the required standard of the time to come.

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