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DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:45 am

According to this article:


Delta Air Lines Inc. will hang onto 14 of its aging, workhorse Boeing Co. 757 jets that were to be retired in two years, partly because pilots rejected a proposed contract that would have added new aircraft.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...led-pilot-vote?cmpid=yhoo.headline


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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:14 am

Hey United, are you listening?
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:20 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Thread starter):
Delta Air Lines Inc. will hang onto 14 of its aging, workhorse Boeing Co. 757 jets that were to be retired in two years

I was surprised to see this in a recent article, this is fairly old news. In addition to the planned "keeper" fleet, ships 670-677 and 679-684 will be kept in the fleet and refurbished to the 199 pax standard domestic configuration.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Hey United, are you listening?

That ship has since sailed... say hello to the craptastic 737-900s!

Glad to hear DL is keeping some of these 757s around longer. With oil prices low, I'm sure they're earning their keep.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:48 am

Ha, negotiating in public.

The cynic in me says these were already decided to keep regardless of the pilot contract situation. I have a hard time believing they would be replacing these with 739s based on the contract, when I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) the 757 pays more than the 739.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:50 am

This unfortunately does not mean that any of the 100 739's already on order are deferred as well, does it?
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:51 am

So the pilots are being "punished" by having to keep flying 757's?

I could handle that kind of punishment   
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:52 am

Are these 757 - 300's? I would keep these as long as i could. Larger capacity 757, the more revenue / profit they will make.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:54 am

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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:58 am

Quoting B757Forever (Reply 2):

Actually I believe that it's ships #670-676 and 678-684 which will be kept, as ship #677 has been permanently withdrawn since 2011.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N677DL

[Edited 2015-11-23 19:14:17]
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:00 am

Quoting DC10LOVER (Reply 7):
Are these 757 - 300's? I would keep these as long as i could. Larger capacity 757, the more revenue / profit they will make.

No, they're all -200 series.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:34 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
Actually I believe that it's ships #670-676 and 678-684 which will be kept, as ship #677 has been permanently withdrawn since 2011.

You are correct. It didn't look quite right when I typed it!   Thanks.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:31 am

This is old news. See above for the ship numbers they're keeping.

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 5):
This unfortunately does not mean that any of the 100 739's already on order are deferred as well, does it?

Tragically, no. They did however cancel their order for the E190s and I believe it was 40 more 739s. That's GREAT news.

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 6):

So the pilots are being "punished" by having to keep flying 757's?

I could handle that kind of punishment   

Everyone at Delta says exactly the same thing. Bring it on.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:49 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 12):
Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 6):

So the pilots are being "punished" by having to keep flying 757's?

I could handle that kind of punishment   

Everyone at Delta says exactly the same thing. Bring it on.


Passengers and airplane watchers are saying the same thing.

One of the essential truths of ANet is that the 757 is the best airplane ever....but all the 757 fans on ANet can't be wrong  
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:02 pm

I'm a non-pilot so please excuse my ignorance, but why do they pay pilots such a different rate for flying different models that they can't/won't buy new planes? Is it simply seniority, or based on the number of passengers in each plane?

I understand the obvious; a crew flying a 777 or 747 on an international route deserves more pay than flying an E-145 from ATL to CMH, for example. But setting separate rates/pay scales for 739's and 757's make little sense to me. My impression is also that an E-190 is not that far away in size and capacity than a 739 anyway.

Off topic: As a passenger, instead of paying the pilots who fly 739's more, they ought to give us passengers combat pay for riding in them.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting StuckinCMHland (Reply 14):
I'm a non-pilot so please excuse my ignorance, but why do they pay pilots such a different rate for flying different models that they can't/won't buy new planes? Is it simply seniority, or based on the number of passengers in each plane?

In this case, because the deal was rejected and DL won't be getting the new aircraft mentioned, they have to keep the 757s otherwise they would be cutting the fleet too much. That's how I read it, anyways.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
they have to keep the 757s otherwise they would be cutting the fleet too much. That's how I read it, anyways.

So the pilots make more money, as a punishment. Interesting idea.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 1):
Hey United, are you listening?

Too late! UA's normal domestic-configured 752s are either gone or spoken for by FedEx. Come spring what's left is the sCO international fleet, the sUA PS sub-fleet and the 753s.

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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:36 pm

Forgive me for going somewhat off-topic, but I notice none of the sNW 5500 (or 5600) 752s are on the list above, which makes me wonder: are there any active 5500s left? If there are, does anyone know when the last one is scheduled to be WFU?
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:46 pm

Quoting Western727 (Reply 18):
are there any active 5500s left? If there are, does anyone know when the last one is scheduled to be WFU?

All the 5500 series aircraft are retired now. The last one left the fleet about three weeks ago. The 5600 aircraft are relatively young and will be around for quite some time.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 6):
So the pilots are being "punished" by having to keep flying 757's?

I could handle that kind of punishment   
Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 12):
Tragically, no. They did however cancel their order for the E190s and I believe it was 40 more 739s. That's GREAT news.
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
hey have to keep the 757s otherwise they would be cutting the fleet too much. That's how I read it, anyways.
Quoting Flighty (Reply 16):
So the pilots make more money, as a punishment. Interesting idea.

Delta cancelled 20 EMB190s and 40 737-900s. Offset that with 14 757s and you get a net of negative 46 aircraft. At 4 sets of crews per aircraft that's a loss of nearly 400 pilot jobs.

That is the punishment, not "oh we get to keep flying these airplanes".
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting StuckinCMHland (Reply 14):
Off topic: As a passenger, instead of paying the pilots who fly 739's more, they ought to give us passengers combat pay for riding in them.

Why? The cross section is almost identical, and DL is putting pretty much the same product on the refitted 757s as on the 739s.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:17 pm

Quoting StuckinCMHland (Reply 14):
My impression is also that an E-190 is not that far away in size and capacity than a 739 anyway.

DL doesn't have any 190 so I used B6 as a comparison, With a first class the 190 seats 100 pax. This makes it comparable to the 717 in the DL fleet. The DL config 757-200 is set at 199 pax. The 739 is 180 seats. I would call that a large difference.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:28 pm

Quoting StuckinCMHland (Reply 14):
I'm a non-pilot so please excuse my ignorance, but why do they pay pilots such a different rate for flying different models that they can't/won't buy new planes? Is it simply seniority, or based on the number of passengers in each plane?

Crew rates are based on the number of seats. That is just how contracts in the US are. They have been that way for a long time and most likely stay that way. Many foreign carriers base rates on a narrow body vs wide body split only.

I'm a mechanic, I get they same pay rate no matter which plane I work on. No matter how many planes I go to school for, get run and taxi qualified, autoland qualified, all the same pay rate. I can work on multiple types in a shift. I'm expected to switch from Boeing to McDoug to Airbus with out a hitch. So I really don't think pilots should get different rates for each model.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:37 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 23):
So I really don't think pilots should get different rates for each model.

It's based on collective bargaining power, not what they deserve to get. DL pilots make around 4x what they would make if they didn't have the ability to strike as a group.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 5:43 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 24):
DL pilots make around 4x what they would make if they didn't have the ability to strike as a group.

Since that assertion is impossible to prove, I'll make another one that is the same:

If pilots were able to move freely from airline to airline and be paid for their skills instead of their seniority, they'd make 2X more than today.

See, it doesn't do anybody any good to just make stuff up.

[Edited 2015-11-24 09:44:18]
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:07 pm

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 23):
Crew rates are based on the number of seats. That is just how contracts in the US are. They have been that way for a long time and most likely stay that way. Many foreign carriers base rates on a narrow body vs wide body split only.

To the best of my knowledge, pilots are paid based on the weight of the aircraft so the 744 pays the most.

Pre-merger NW used to make a deal with retiring pilots. Since their retirement was based on their last 5 years earnings most would upgrade to the largest airplane their seniority could hold. It costs a lot to transition so say a pilot had a year to go until bye-bye and he/she could hold a 744 captain's seat, rather than pay for the additional training NW would simply pay the retiring pilot to stay on their existing airplane at the larger aircraft's pay rate.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:21 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 20):
Delta cancelled 20 EMB190s and 40 737-900s.

When were the orders made?

When were they canceled?
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:27 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 3):
That ship has since sailed... say hello to the craptastic 737-900s!

Geez. Why not just tell us how you really feel?  

The 757s are a lot cooler and better performing, but really, the 900ERs are fine inside. I ride around on them quite a bit.

If you want to talk cool, the 727-200ADVs are cooler than 757s, especially when they pass over your head at 200ft on takeoff at max weight. They also just look so much cooler as well.

I just wish UA would lose the DirecTV across the board and use the BYOD service. I hate how the DirecTV's keep turning themselves on and bombard your with adverts.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:47 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 3):
That ship has since sailed... say hello to the craptastic 737-900s!

Oh, the horror and the agony! With the exact same passenger cabin and the Boeing Sky Interior, PTVs and WiFi the 739 will be a horrid passenger experience. My heart bleeds. Truly.  
Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 23):
So I really don't think pilots should get different rates for each model.

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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 6:50 pm

Quoting birdbrainz (Reply 28):
If you want to talk cool, the 727-200ADVs are cooler than 757s, especially when they pass over your head at 200ft on takeoff at max weight. They also just look so much cooler as well.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 25):
Since that assertion is impossible to prove, I'll make another one that is the same:

If pilots were able to move freely from airline to airline and be paid for their skills instead of their seniority, they'd make 2X more than today.

You're getting into pure imagination. I am quoting the actual salaries of similarly qualified professionals.

Millions of people are paid based on an experimental minimum pay that lets the business function. You find this by cutting people's pay or failing to provide raises until you are short staffed. Companies like Target know this value to the penny.

Pilots and neurosurgeons are really not different from Target employees in that respect. You pay too low, you get attrition.

What is the attrition for DALPA? Obviously it's kind of a silly question because the game has been short circuited by strong collective bargaining. So employees on the inside are doing very well. Which is a tiny, tiny minority of the profession.

Here's a balanced treatment of the issue.
http://thetruthabouttheprofession.we...m/professional-pilot-salaries.html
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:25 pm

Quoting goboeing (Reply 27):
When were the orders made?

When were they canceled?

The orders were explicitly tied to the pilot vote so DL could cancel without penalty if the pilots voted down the TA. So when they voted no, the orders were cancelled.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-turn-down-proposed-contract.html/

Quoting Flighty (Reply 31):
You're getting into pure imagination. I am quoting the actual salaries of similarly qualified professionals.

Nothing in that link addresses our discussion. It only talks about the current situation, which is influenced by the very factors both of us would need to isolate in order to prove their point.

[Edited 2015-11-24 11:26:25]
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:26 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 29):
Oh, the horror and the agony! With the exact same passenger cabin and the Boeing Sky Interior, PTVs and WiFi the 739 will be a horrid passenger experience. My heart bleeds. Truly.

Apologies, my attempt at sarcasm clearly didn't go over well.   I've flown the 739 many times and aside from the A340-esque takeoff, there's not much of a difference in the pax experience.

However (at least with DL), the 737-900ER appears to have taken over the CRJ's dubious title as the devil's chariot, at least with people who have to work the aircraft.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 32):

The orders were explicitly tied to the pilot vote so DL could cancel without penalty if the pilots voted down the TA. So when they voted no, the orders were cancelled.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...html/

I think his point is that the planes were never ordered with Boeing. Rather, there was an intention to order and then they no longer intended to make the order.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 33):
I've flown the 739 many times and aside from the A340-esque takeoff, there's not much of a difference in the pax experience.

I've been in an A340 and 739 and the 739 felt like a rocket compared to the A340. It's no 752, but at least it climbs faster than the curve of the earth.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:48 pm

Quoting jbs2886 (Reply 34):
I think his point is that the planes were never ordered with Boeing. Rather, there was an intention to order and then they no longer intended to make the order.

If you want to look at it that way. However I would view it as they were ordered with Boeing with a specific contingency for the pilot vote.

"Delta Air Lines has agreed to buy 40 new Boeing 737-900ERs and 20 used Embraer E-190s, subject to ratification by Delta’s pilots of a tentative labor contract."
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 33):
However (at least with DL), the 737-900ER appears to have taken over the CRJ's dubious title as the devil's chariot, at least with people who have to work the aircraft.

It's the way DL configured the thing, not the airplane itself. I enjoy the ride on a 739 with Alaska as a passenger, but not on Delta. AS has 16F/165Y; DL has 20F/160Y - with 21 of those Y seats configured as Comfort+.

With only a one seat difference, *something* has to give. They found inches in every nook and cranny they could, and it shows - it's immediately apparent to both both crew and passengers that the cabin designers played a mean game of Tetris rather than focusing on creating a great onboard experience.

The unfortunate news for the 757s is that Delta is also reconfiguring those in a similar fashion - the new layout has a bunch of Comfort+ seats forward of the L2 door, and it won't feel much more luxurious than the 739 anymore, sadly.  
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:35 pm

What's the latest on the NRT-based 757 fleet ? The same airframes have been around there for a good many years now.
Could these be amongst the last DL 757's operating eventually ?
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 38):

What's the latest on the NRT-based 757 fleet ? The same airframes have been around there for a good many years now.
Could these be amongst the last DL 757's operating eventually ?

It is my understanding that the ex-Shanghai birds, once mods are complete, will be the "new" NRT fleet.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting bgm (Reply 33):

However (at least with DL), the 737-900ER appears to have taken over the CRJ's dubious title as the devil's chariot, at least with people who have to work the aircraft.

Something about an aircraft that you have to put a large "stick" under the tail and have it leveled via a bubble in a matter of minutes of it coming into the gate. If you don't get that stick in place and centered correctly it throws off the unloading process. Seriously, a stick determines how you offload a plane........
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:40 pm

The 739's key issue is really its short wheel compare to long body, leading to somewhat unpleasant landings. Both DL and AS has a bunch of 739s so no reason to single out UA on this.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:23 pm

Ten years from now the NW DC-9 a.net meme will be replaced with "When are DL going to retire their 757s?"
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:39 am

Im pretty sure there is no DL 757 pilot that is pissed about this. They probably don't even care.
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:50 am

So to be clear, DL is keeping 757's to continue to operate them to Europe because the new a/c to do the job - 737-900ER - is not being bought because of the pilots rejecting a contract?
Say it ain't so  
 
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 44):

So to be clear, DL is keeping 757's to continue to operate them to Europe because the new a/c to do the job - 737-900ER - is not being bought because of the pilots rejecting a contract?

Not quite. The 737-900, as far as I know, was never intended to go to Europe. The additional 14 757 aircraft remaining in service are domestic non-ETOPS aircraft. They cannot operate to Europe.
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:10 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 43):
Im pretty sure there is no DL 757 pilot that is pissed about this. They probably don't even care.

I suspect they do--I can't imagine DL makes threats that no one cares about. Ask AS, KE, Exim Bank, the ME3, their JV partners etc. etc....
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:22 am

Quoting BCBHokie (Reply 37):
It's the way DL configured the thing, not the airplane itself. I enjoy the ride on a 739 with Alaska as a passenger, but not on Delta. AS has 16F/165Y; DL has 20F/160Y - with 21 of those Y seats configured as Comfort+.

This. DL ruined the 737-900 for it's passengers. I say this as someone who is unfortunate to fly on it about once a week.

Quoting nwadeicer (Reply 40):
Something about an aircraft that you have to put a large "stick" under the tail and have it leveled via a bubble in a matter of minutes of it coming into the gate. If you don't get that stick in place and centered correctly it throws off the unloading process. Seriously, a stick determines how you offload a plane........

I'd never heard of this?! Can anyone explain this? I didn't find much on google.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 43):
Im pretty sure there is no DL 757 pilot that is pissed about this. They probably don't even care.

As a 757 lover, in this case, I thank the pilots for turning down the contract.  
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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:38 am

Quoting nwadeicer (Reply 40):
Something about an aircraft that you have to put a large "stick" under the tail and have it leveled via a bubble in a matter of minutes of it coming into the gate. If you don't get that stick in place and centered correctly it throws off the unloading process. Seriously, a stick determines how you offload a plane........[/quote]

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 47):
I'd never heard of this?! Can anyone explain this? I didn't find much on google.
DL uses a tail support on the 737-900 to prevent "tail tip" (video below) Since DL unloads the forward cargo bin first (priority and connecting bags...I think???) the CG shifts aft. It is made worse as the passengers deplane because the front gets lighter while there are still passengers seated in the back..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLWxD0gY__A

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RE: DL Defer Some Boeing 757 Retirements

Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:28 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 47):
I'd never heard of this?! Can anyone explain this? I didn't find much on google.
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