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Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:00 pm

There's always talk on how Southwest has pulled out or significantly downsized a station I was wondering if B6 ever has done this and where?
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:02 pm

They dropped ATL in the early 2000s and BNA and CMH somewhat later than that.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:05 pm

Well, I know there are at least a few.. ATL and CMH were served, B6 departed and has not returned. B6 served BNA, left, and is now back there. I think there are others but not sure on the complete list..
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:07 pm

In the mid 2000s, JetBlue's operations at IAD were much bigger than they are today.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:10 pm

For a very short while in the mid 2000s, B6 experimented with a focus city in SLC (although I don't believe they have designated it as such). That experiment was somewhat short lived.

In the earlier days of B6, their network had a lot of IAD OAK and LGB. As they went from LCC to hybrid, those priorities gave way to DCA SFO LAX.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:11 pm

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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 3):

In the mid 2000s, JetBlue's operations at IAD were much bigger than they are today.

And here at SMF they once had a flight to IAD as well as a daytime flight to JFK. They dropped both of those. Around 2008 or 2009 during the recession they even dropped JFK altogether, leaving LGB as their only destination. They have since bounced back, reinstating the JFK redeye and more recently adding a seasonal redeye to BOS.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):

ATL was the first to come to mind. B6 is numbers run, so if a station is a bad investment, B6 will drop it.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

ONT is not the ONT it was. Some is the commute time. Much us the end of the real estate bubble.

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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:47 pm

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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:05 pm

If memory serves me correct...
Cities that have been dropped:
ATL, CMH, TUS, ONT

Routes that have been dropped:
SLC - SFO, SAN, BUR, (can't remember if LAS was there too)
BUR - LAS, MCO
LGB - ORD, IAD, FLL (moved to LAX to use slot for ANC), SJC, ATL
IAD - OAK, SMF, LGB, SAN, BUR, LAS, MCO, FLL
OAK - ATL, FLL, IAD
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:27 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
They dropped ATL in the early 2000s and BNA and CMH somewhat later than that.

CMH was early 2008. Skybus promptly tried to capitalize by replacing the B6 JFK service within days with SWF, before shutting down a couple months later.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:01 pm

I know the question was about station exits, but here is a list of markets that jetBlue has exited since 2005. If they've exited any this year I've missed them since I just pulled full years for the last decade.

AUS-SFO
BNA-JFK
BOS-CMH
BOS-SJC
BOS-STI…since restarted
BTV-MCO
BUF-RSW
BUR-IAD
BUR-LAS…started, exited, restarted, re-exited.
BUR-SLC
CLT-FLL
CMH-JFK
CUN-IAD
CUN-TPA
FLL-IAD
FLL-LGB
FLL-PSE
FLL-SYR
HPN-NAS
IAD-LAS
IAD-LGB
IAD-MCO
IAD-OAK
IAD-PBI
IAD-RSW
IAD-SAN
IAD-SJU
IAD-SMF
JAX-SJU
JFK-ONT
JFK-PIT
JFK-RIC
JFK-TUS
LAS-SLC
LGB-ORD
LGB-SJC
MCO-PWM
MCO-ROC
PBI-SJU
PBI-SWF
SAN-SEA
SFO-SLC
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:31 pm

B6 withdrew altogether from RIC after a couple of years and then restarted again. At first I think it was just RIC-JFK and RIC-FLL, they may have operated RIC-BOS too.

They now fly to BOS, FLL and MCO.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Nov 24, 2015 10:43 pm

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):
BOS-SJC

This flight still very much exists though not daily that I know of
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:18 am

I still don't know why JetBlue did not jump at the opportunity to expand at IAD when independence air went under
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:32 am

Quoting doulasc (Reply 14):


I still don't know why JetBlue did not jump at the opportunity to expand at IAD when independence air went under

Indy Air was growth built on loss making fares. Once they went kaput there wasn't much opportunity to build on, at least not at a profitable fare levels.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:05 am

[quote=fbgdavidson,reply=12]
B6 withdrew altogether from RIC after a couple of years and then restarted again. At first I think it was just RIC-JFK and RIC-FLL, they may have operated RIC-BOS too.

They now fly to BOS, FLL and MCO.


I dont think that's right

RIC never ended. JFK RIC did
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:12 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 15):
Indy Air was growth built on loss making fares.

Yes, but they also had gobs of capacity (500 daily seats on IAD-CLT, for instance). I'm not convinced that there wasn't some opportunity there for a different model.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 4:04 am

Actually SYR-FLL is coming back as a daily seasonal E-190 flight
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:44 am

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):

Excellent list! There are a few of those city pairings that I was privileged to work, while they were active. There was one city pair not mentioned, however, and I worked it once: SLC-SAN. It was right up there with the other routes out of SLC, and therefore didn't stick around too long.


Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 13):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 11):BOS-SJC
This flight still very much exists though not daily that I know of

Absolutely. Being that I don't work it too often, I can't say whether it's seasonal, or just not daily. The same may apply to BOS-LGB: though it operates year-round, it's not a daily service.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting doulasc (Reply 14):
I still don't know why JetBlue did not jump at the opportunity to expand at IAD when independence air went under

They did have much more significant operations at IAD at the time, or shortly thereafter. Their IAD operation was much larger than it is today, but they have moved most of their routes to DCA (different routes, however - they used to have a handful of transcons into IAD). They've also since opened up BWI.

They've definitely down-gauged some other markets. I worked the counter/ramp for them when I was going to school at BTV, and we had 4x BTV-JFK on A320s, plus a E190 BTV-MCO. As noted above, the BTV-MCO flight is long gone, but now the BTV-JFK are 3x daily on E190s.

I suspect that the increase in flights at PBG which has siphoned away some of the Canadian traffic, as it is easier to get to from Montreal. When I was at BTV, 47% of the airport's volume was Canadian traffic.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:25 pm

Did they cut back from LGB when LAX stated, or was it more a matter of routes vs. actual flights?

[Edited 2015-11-25 09:26:12]
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:41 pm

Quoting Airportugal310 (Reply 13):
This flight still very much exists though not daily that I know of
Quoting NASBWI (Reply 19):
Absolutely. Being that I don't work it too often, I can't say whether it's seasonal, or just not daily. The same may apply to BOS-LGB: though it operates year-round, it's not a daily service.

I forgot to note that they dropped it, then restarted it. It was dropped in '08 and restarted in '10.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:14 pm

Everybody forgets that B6 dropped their first international destination... Seems amazing because it is a cash cow for them now. But after the closure of ATL, the second B6 city to be closed was indeed SDQ. It subsequently reopened a year and a half later.

So the list is missing JFK-SDQ... As well as FLL-BQN and FLL-PSE.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Wed Nov 25, 2015 7:18 pm

Quoting isp2 (Reply 23):
So the list is missing JFK-SDQ... As well as FLL-BQN and FLL-PSE.

Yep, I missed JFK-SDQ's little hiatus from 2005 to it's 2007 restart. The other two I excluded because they flew only a few operations. I filtered out anything that didn't fly at least 150 operations over the last decade.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:06 pm

ONT 7/00-9/08
ATL ???-12/03
SDQ 6/04-3/05, reopened 5/07
BNA 8/06-1/08, reopening 5/16
TUS 9/06-5/08
CMH 10/06-1/08
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:15 pm

Is OAK much smaller than it use to be?
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:35 pm

I never was aware that JetBlue discontinued San Juan to PBI and JAX.
I guess there was no market for those routes I can't believe PBI - SJU didn't work out
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:42 pm

The opening of ATL with ATL-LGB/OAK was Neeleman's revenge for DL starting Song (which was specifically designed to drive B6 out of JFK-Florida) - he even personally named an A320 "Song Sung Blue" as a jab at Song.

Little did he know that ever-aggressive FL would wet-lease some A320s in a nanosecond and drive B6 out of the market.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:15 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):


Yes, but they also had gobs of capacity (500 daily seats on IAD-CLT, for instance). I'm not convinced that there wasn't some opportunity there for a different model.

Maybe, but what model? B6, WN and F9 have all given IAD a shot in one form or another and none have really sustained a large presence there. G4? NK?
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:13 am

Didn't B6 serve SJU-SXM in the past?
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 30):

They still fly that route.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:56 am

Quoting VC10DC10 (Reply 3):
In the mid 2000s, JetBlue's operations at IAD were much bigger than they are today.

They've got their focus on DCA now
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:43 am

Yes, but the problem is that their DCA routes are entirely north/south; they have literally NO routes connecting DCA, IAD, or BWI to the west. None. I don't care how much profit they are generating from the Washington DC market, this HAS to be a huge gap for B6. They need to find a way to generate profitable growth to mid-America destinations.

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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:09 pm

At one point B6 served POP twice daily around summer 2009 and brought it down to once daily by 2010.
 
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting malaysia (Reply 26):
Is OAK much smaller than it use to be?

Yes.
OAK has given way largely to SFO, almost completely so on transcons. There was a time when OAK saw several daily flights from JFK and BOS...now it's just a single redeye to JFK.

LGB is in the same boat as they prefer to use LAX for the transcons now (that's where the money is!) but in order to maintain their slots and presence at Long Beach, B6 flies a lot of shorter, regional routes to places like SMF, LAS, PDX, etc. One day, they may use that airport for points south instead of north, based on their push to have Customs and Immigration facilities installed there.

Quoting Jeff G (Reply 25):

ONT 7/00-9/08
ATL ???-12/03
SDQ 6/04-3/05, reopened 5/07
BNA 8/06-1/08, reopening 5/16
TUS 9/06-5/08
CMH 10/06-1/08

Considering B6 operates from 90-something airports with hundreds of different routes, that's not too bad. BNA is coming back next year and my guess is that ATL will be back on their route map one day as well.
However it will probably be a long wait to see B6 back at ONT, TUS or CMH.
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RE: Has JetBlue Pulled Out Or Downsized A Station?

Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting richierich (Reply 35):
There was a time when OAK saw several daily flights from JFK and BOS...now it's just a single redeye to JFK.

Don't forget the 3x to LGB and season redeye to BOS.

Quoting richierich (Reply 35):
One day, they may use that airport for points south instead of north, based on their push to have Customs and Immigration facilities installed there.

I hope so. The current LGB schedule is marginal at best. B6 can probably turn a better profit flying down south.

Quoting richierich (Reply 35):
my guess is that ATL will be back on their route map one day as well.

Agreed - and sooner rather than later. That is the biggest hole in the B6 network - especially from BOS.

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