Australian Aviation Thread Part 133

tullamarine · Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:55 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 149):
tihad Airways (EY, Abu Dhabi Int'l) has increased its shareholding in Virgin Australia (VA, Brisbane Int'l) from 24.2% to 25.1% CAPA has reported. The move leaves Air New Zealand (NZ, Auckland Int'l) with a 24.99% shareholding followed by Singapore Airlines (SQ, Singapore Changi) with 22.91%. Virgin Group holds 10% while the remainder is on free float."

There's some debate about the size of the Air NZ holding, though, which seems to be 25.9%

It really is only a matter of time before VAH delists. There is no value in being listed when only 15% of the stock is a free float and there are compliance savings to be made by delisting.

qfvhoqa · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 pm

Quoting qf789 (Reply 148):
To be fair we are also talking about 2 very different configured 787's, JL 186 over 2 classes vs JQ 335 in a 2 class config

My comment was in response to the proposal that JQ run daily PER-NRT in a W-pattern with MEL-NRT:

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 128):
If JQ was to operate a daily PER-NRT

Quoting qf789 (Reply 148):
PER-NRT is around 950nm longer than NRT-HNL, 4275nm vs 3318nm

Sorry I should have been clearer, I mean flying time. HNL-NRT is flying against winds, NRT-PER not so much.

IndianicWorld · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting qf71 (Reply 147):
Melbourne on the other hand has many options with plenty of efficient one stop connections via Brisbane, Sydney, Gold Coast, Cairns, Singapore and Hong Kong. The other problem is that Melbourne is a 11hr flight too so economics and aircraft utilisation are issues here. Melbourne is really considered part of the east coast catchment area when it comes to Japan flights, which is a unique market in that a lot of capacity is directed at secondary ports and as a result pax will be filtered through CNS for example.

I agree that MEL lives in the shadow of several other hubs for the Japan market, which is also the reason it does not have a stronger North American network.

To further stimulate the MEL market further though, particularly from an inbound perspective, a premium carrier (QF.JL, NH) will likely make a big difference though.Time will tell when that happens.

Quoting qf789 (Reply 148):
CZ started PER in 2011 at 3 weekly and only increased to 4 weekly this year. Since they started they have offered poor connections on both Europe and US flights where transit times in some instances have been as long as flight times. Also with operating 3 weekly for the first 3 years they haven't had the frequency that business prefers and as such they have more likely flown (to other ports in China) with likes of CX & SQ and to a lesser extent MH & TG.

They must consider that the market isn't there though for higher frequency. If an airline wants to go after premium demand, it will up frequency to facilitate it, but it would have to feel that it is worthwhile to chase that.

It will see growth in the future, but at this stage the interest is highly focused on the Eastern States so far in the China market.

Boof · Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:36 am

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 150):

It really is only a matter of time before VAH delists. There is no value in being listed when only 15% of the stock is a free float and there are compliance savings to be made by delisting.

Yes there may be savings, but isn't it the case that the 15% of VAH is Australian and it is these shareholders that own 100% of VA International? That is how they are getting around the traffic rights issues as without the 15% floated there would be even less visible compliance to the dodgy ownership structure that allows the use of Australian traffic rights despite VAH being majority foreign owned.

A better and more visibly compliant way would be to allow NZ 51%, and EY and SQ share the other 49% and then delist. That way the NZ-Aus open skies would allow what VA are doing without the dodgy set up.

Cheers,
Boof

Thai77w · Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:36 am

Brisbane has this AN-12P from Ukraine Air Alliance here at the moment. Not sure if it's passing through or here to operate some flights.

Pic:

qf789 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:57 am

NH eyes Perth as it's second Australian destination

http://www.ausbt.com.au/ana-eyes-per...h-for-second-australia-japan-route

IndianicWorld · Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 155):
NH eyes Perth as it's second Australian destination

JL and NH will likely not be able to both operate there so it will be interesting to see who is the first mover.

I still have some question marks about the viability of a daily flight from JL let alone NH coming to the party too.

Some very interesting moves lately though in the Australia-Japan market. The biggest losers lately from all of this seemingly are OOL and MEL, with the former having its network cut down to just NRT and the latter not having a premium carrier on the route (both are JQ only destinations)

ben175 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 155):
NH eyes Perth as it's second Australian destination

Now this is interesting! I wonder who will confirm first?

qf2220 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:13 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 157):

JL with a QF codeshare I suspect will be the stronger carrier.

EK413 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:07 am

Quoting ben175 (Reply 157):

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 158):

Love it if QF shocked everyone & announce it 1st

EK413

xiaotung · Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:15 am

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 158):

JL with a QF codeshare I suspect will be the stronger carrier.

Which is why I don't understand why VA won't join Star Alliance. Their position in this part of the world has become more fit for the alliance everyday. I am leaning to believe that it's because of their CEO's ego.

TN486 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:29 pm

I wish to take this opportunity to wish all and sundry a safe and happy xmas and new year. I shall be incognito in Adelaide for the next 2 weeks spotting, golfing, "wading" in the lovely beach waters, and anything else I can get up to. Cheers all, take care.

Flyingsottsman · Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:54 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 161):
wish to take this opportunity to wish all and sundry a safe and happy xmas and new year. I shall be incognito in Adelaide for the next 2 weeks spotting, golfing, "wading" in the lovely beach waters, and anything else I can get up to. Cheers all, take care.

You to TN486 and to all A Netters a safe and merry Christmas and happy and safe new year.

RyanairGuru · Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:22 pm

Quoting TN486 (Reply 161):

You too, enjoy your trip and Merry Christmas

zkncj · Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:30 pm

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 160):
Which is why I don't understand why VA won't join Star Alliance. Their position in this part of the world has become more fit for the alliance everyday. I am leaning to believe that it's because of their CEO's ego.

Cost probably NZ/SQ already have deals with VA for there frequent flyers, and both NZ/SQ are known not to like playing by *A rules.

DavidByrne · Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:18 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 164):
both NZ/SQ are known not to like playing by *A rules.

Can you elaborate?

zkncj · Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:35 pm

Quoting davidbyrne (Reply 165):
Can you elaborate?

- Rejecting passengers with *G or *Business class from other airlines flights, into there lounges.
- NZ doesn't give *G extra baggage allowance in J, or on an Seat Only Fare (Though they got *A to add an line to allow this)
- Making it near impossible for members of other *A programmers to redeem awards.

tullamarine · Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:38 am

There is an article in today's AFR that MEL Airport and VA are in negotiations regarding significant works on T3 including maybe making T3 a terminal for premium pax with lesser pax checking in etc via T4. Apparently MEL is producing a number of options for VA to consider and pick from. JB has previously stated that MEL is the most problematic terminal on the mainline network which is not surprising given its basic bones are over 40 years old.

The article has also stated the MEL is consdering taking some of the T1 gates off QF once it reclaims the terminal at the end of the 2018 lease and converting them for int'l use. This seems surprising. I wouldve thought it would make more sense to convert T3 into an int'l terminal for narrowbodies and build a purpose-built T5?? for VA. Obviously the previous 10 year plan has been ditched since Strambi became MEL's CEO.

RyanairGuru · Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:42 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 166):

To be fair Qantas isn't much better at interacting with *O carriers, outside of their preferred partners. They honour OA status for baggage allowance and lounge access, which is better than NZ, but they make it almost impossible to earn/redeem outside of their select partner carriers.

Flyingsottsman · Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:01 am

Quoting qf789 (Reply 155):
NH eyes Perth as it's second Australian destination

I wonder if they have said this because JL have talked about Perth or did ANA mention Perth before JL did? Great news for Perth if this come true.
I also would be interested if they could make Melbourne work if they decided to add MEL to their network.

IndianicWorld · Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:15 am

^^ I tend to think that JL has the best chance of making MEL work as they can work in conjunction with JQ.

NH could try and really shake up the market though but we will see.

As for the MEL terminal plans, I think the report talked more about taking over some of the T1 space for T2 check-in more than any gates. In saying that though, turning the main T1 pier into at least part international usage would make sense.

EK413 · Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:57 pm

The inaugural NH HND-SYD service is on her way with an estimated arrival time of 10:37. Looking forward to seeing R2D2 in Sydney

Flight NH879 from Tokyo to Sydney
http://fr24.com/ANA879/83cd911

ZuluAlpha · Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 171):
The inaugural NH HND-SYD service is on her way with an estimated arrival time of 10:37. Looking forward to seeing R2D2 in Sydney

Their forecasting winds from the south ... so for me, I'll be on top of the Rydges hotel

Razza74 · Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:16 pm

Evening folks

Looks like tonight's additional AKL-PER NZ177 is using gate 50 (swing gate) at T1, not sure how often it has been used since opening for international arrivals/departures?

Razza74

EK413 · Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:54 pm

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 172):
from the south ... so for me, I'll be on top of the Rydges hotel

R2D2 made up some time in the air now scheduled into SYD 09:34.

EK413

JQflightie · Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:28 am

Has anyone heard more news about this new Asian destination that QF mentioned when adding more capacity to Asia a few weeks ago? It's going to be on a A330 and ex MEL 3 x weekly. Internally it's gone all a bit quiet?
Could this be a return to Beijing?

PoleHillSid · Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:37 am

Quite a few down at Alexandria Canal this morning. Fire engines waiting so I presume it got a water canon salute?

Was noticeable how much this hobby has changed since I first got my camera in 2007 and would turn up at MAN because of some vague internet rumour that "something" was coming in, just me, a scanner and a camera. Then you'd wait for ages hoping you'd hear something on the radio or until it went dark.

These days you wake up, check FlightRadar on your iPad for the ETA, see what else is due in at the same time, plan your train journey to arrive at the right time for what you want to photograph and lastly check FR on your mobile until it's on approach.

IndianicWorld · Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:18 am

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 175):
Has anyone heard more news about this new Asian destination that QF mentioned when adding more capacity to Asia a few weeks ago? It's going to be on a A330 and ex MEL 3 x weekly. Internally it's gone all a bit quiet?
Could this be a return to Beijing?

Did they actually say its a new network destination though and operated from MEL? Their statements have seemed quite vague publicly.

If it was a MEL flight, I would suspect it could well be added to PVG, as it is already an on-line station on their network.

Its the only destination that really makes sense given the MU deal and I don't see them adding/re-starting a new network station like PEK from here first anyway. SYD will tend to get those routes first if they do come on-line.

Existing QF network possibilities from MEL:
MNL - Doubtful but an outside possibility.
CGK - Doubtful but an outside possibility
BKK - Already a JQ destination and doubtful to see QF operate it from here
NRT - Has merit but already a JQ destination and would appear to be out as they have only just restarted BNE-NRT
SIN - Does not need addition capacity. Already a strong QF, JQ and EK presence

777Jet · Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:14 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 174):
R2D2 made up some time in the air now scheduled into SYD 09:34.

Quoting PoleHillSid (Reply 176):
Quite a few down at Alexandria Canal this morning. Fire engines waiting so I presume it got a water canon salute?

I just took a few pics of it as it was parked not too far from the fence along Airport Drive in the freight area just west of 16R.

Fine looking plane indeed, especially with VH-OEJ in the background

eta unknown · Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 177):
CGK - Doubtful but an outside possibility

Not even that... QF & GA can't sustain anything more than 4x week ex SYD outside of DEC school holidays. Many are surprised the GA MEL-CGK flight is still operating.

Quoting PoleHillSid (Reply 176):
Quite a few down at Alexandria Canal this morning. Fire engines waiting so I presume it got a water canon salute?

Sure did, just before the aircraft docked at gate 25. I was on the VIP tarmac bus and later went on board the aircraft- the economy class product is exceptional for personal space. There are also a few pre-recorded Star Wars themed announcements played on board (don't know if the large Yoda doll stays with the aircraft all the time or was only for today).

CXfirst · Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:26 am

Quoting Razza74 (Reply 173):
Looks like tonight's additional AKL-PER NZ177 is using gate 50 (swing gate) at T1, not sure how often it has been used since opening for international arrivals/departures?

When I arrived last saturday on a Virgin flight, there was a MH A330 at bay 150, so it has been used before.

However, I don't think the 'swing' has been used yet (ie. VA 737 comes in on a domestic service and departs on international).

I believe that operation hasn't been approved yet. Something to do with CASA wanting to make sure local staff understand the procedure in locking down the gate correctly. As of now, I believe only a handful of people have key access to lock down those gates, so when it is used as an international gate, it stays as international for a while. At least that is what I heard probably a week and a half ago, it might have changed since then. But, I do know for a fact that VA have had 737s come in domestically and go out internationally, but still being towed rather than use bay 150.

-CXfirst

IndianicWorld · Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:30 am

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 179):
Not even that... QF & GA can't sustain anything more than 4x week ex SYD outside of DEC school holidays. Many are surprised the GA MEL-CGK flight is still operating.

MEL-CGK apparently does not to bad overall, but yes adding more capacity would be a stretch.

When GA were really making their European push, there were even bigger plans for MEL/SYD-CGK but those were certainly reduced in scope.

smi0006 · Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:50 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 177):
well be added to PVG, as it is already an on-line station on their network.

Its the only destination that really makes sense given the MU deal and I don't see them adding/re-starting a new network station like PEK from here first anyway. SYD will tend to get those routes first if they do come on-line.

As a thought, given the MU partnership, would it not make more sense for MU to drop a frequency and send the aircraft to PER, or ADL, and QF add on ex-MEL. ADL could be a stretch but I would think MU with a QF partnership could do well EX-PER. Some decent yield up front, and students down the back. Poach some CX and SQ traffic now the MU product is picking up. Sure PER would offer some nice deals to entice new carriers. With the mining boom cooling time for WA to look to increasingly diversify its economy, greater education, tourism. All needing air services

EK413 · Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:38 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 178):

There's amazing images floating around the web of this morning inaugural NH service. Wasn't able to make it to the fence at Brighton beach unfortunately. The site of several helicopters hovering over my house was a clear indication everyone was out to capture the moment.

I noticed VH-OEJ escorted R2D2 into SYD

EK413

IndianicWorld · Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:30 am

A couple of Australian aviation stories in the media lately:

UA's performance into Australia (Softening Australian outbound demand).
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...y/430c83bdc19ef96baff05002ff74a17d

NH looks to other Australian destinations (MEL and PER mentioned):
http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviat...beyond-sydney-20151210-glkycb.html

Sydscott · Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:43 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 177):
MNL - Doubtful but an outside possibility.

If QF were to go mainline on MEL-NRT I can see JQ jumping into MEL-MNL.

IndianicWorld · Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 185):
If QF were to go mainline on MEL-NRT I can see JQ jumping into MEL-MNL.

I tend to agree there. I see MEL-NRT more as a JL route than QF going mainline but still would free up JQ capacity if that was to happen.

JQ will be better placed to compete with both PR and 5J from a cost perspective one would expect.Having 3 carriers on MEL-MNL might be a stretch though.

[Edited 2015-12-13 14:23:48]

qf002 · Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:54 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 177):
Did they actually say its a new network destination though and operated from MEL?

Not that I'm aware of, that's just the conclusion that some people have leapt to due to the fact that the capacity is coming from MEL-HKG getting the 744 a few days a week. There's a whole other camp that is convinced it will be from PER.

From memory, it sounded like it would be more capacity into an existing market rather than a new destination. Where that will be, no idea.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 177):
BKK - Already a JQ destination and doubtful to see QF operate it from here

I actually think MEL-BKK is a route they should be all over. Very little (and relatively weak) competition, strong demand and they now have their partnership with Bangkok Airways which I'm sure would help.

It would need to be more than 3wk though, so probably unlikely until they get more aircraft.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 185):
If QF were to go mainline on MEL-NRT I can see JQ jumping into MEL-MNL.

And/or possibly BNE-MNL a couple of times a week? No nonstop competition there yet and there is clearly some demand given that QF were still flying that route until fairly recently.

I would also really like to see JQ get back into Vietnam. If VN are now talking about growth in 2016 then there is clearly an opportunity and it's one of the few markets into Asia that isn't under immediate threat from the Asian LCCs.

IndianicWorld · Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:16 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
Not that I'm aware of, that's just the conclusion that some people have leapt to due to the fact that the capacity is coming from MEL-HKG getting the 744 a few days a week. There's a whole other camp that is convinced it will be from PER.

From memory, it sounded like it would be more capacity into an existing market rather than a new destination. Where that will be, no idea.

Yeah all good.

I think the talk on the street now seems to be extra flights on SYD-HKG.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
I actually think MEL-BKK is a route they should be all over. Very little (and relatively weak) competition, strong demand and they now have their partnership with Bangkok Airways which I'm sure would help.

It would need to be more than 3wk though, so probably unlikely until they get more aircraft.

2 x daily TG on the route is still decent competition.

I don't see MEL-BKK as a QF route though. It would be interesting to see if JQ could expand its presence though.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
And/or possibly BNE-MNL a couple of times a week? No nonstop competition there yet and there is clearly some demand given that QF were still flying that route until fairly recently.

Interesting idea but can't see it happening.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
I would also really like to see JQ get back into Vietnam. If VN are now talking about growth in 2016 then there is clearly an opportunity and it's one of the few markets into Asia that isn't under immediate threat from the Asian LCCs.

Given that Jetstar Pacific is now owned 100% by VN, QF's codeshare with VN will likely be enough at this stage.There were also a number of issues a few years ago with Qantas/Jetstar relating to Jetstar Pacific so no idea just how much of a rush they would be to go in with their own metal again.

Sydscott · Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 188):
Given that Jetstar Pacific is now owned 100% by VN, QF's codeshare with VN will likely be enough at this stage.There were also a number of issues a few years ago with Qantas/Jetstar relating to Jetstar Pacific so no idea just how much of a rush they would be to go in with their own metal again.

Jetstar Pacific is 30% owned by QF and 70% owned by VN.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 188):
I don't see MEL-BKK as a QF route though. It would be interesting to see if JQ could expand its presence though.

I think it could be an interesting QF route and I tend to think that like HNL they could operate JQ and QF side by side but not on the same days. It would be an interesting challenge to Thai and to the future Thai Air Asia X.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 188):
I think the talk on the street now seems to be extra flights on SYD-HKG.

QF wants SYD-HKG at 2 daily. Once that is done there could be more HKG service but I think you'll see them solidify that first.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
And/or possibly BNE-MNL a couple of times a week? No nonstop competition there yet and there is clearly some demand given that QF were still flying that route until fairly recently.

I would also really like to see JQ get back into Vietnam. If VN are now talking about growth in 2016 then there is clearly an opportunity and it's one of the few markets into Asia that isn't under immediate threat from the Asian LCCs.

I assume QF knows the traffic demand out of BNE for MNL. Having said that, it would be an interesting way to raise the number of flights originating in Sydney if, on the current days they're not operating, they did a SYD-BNE-MNL operation. That would re-position the aircraft back into Sydney so could work. (Although I doubt they would try it again)

As for Vietnam, I can see some QF seasonal service maybe but I think QF are happy with the current codeshare arrangements to get people in there. I'd see QF returning to Korea before I see them flying into Vietnam again.

vhebb · Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:49 am

The days the A333 is free in MEL is FRI/SAT/SUN, these are the days that the B744 will operate MEL-HKG-MEL

IndianicWorld · Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
Jetstar Pacific is 30% owned by QF and 70% owned by VN.

So it does. Not sure what I had read that said otherwise.

Just know many issues have taken place in their Vietnam experience

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
I think it could be an interesting QF route and I tend to think that like HNL they could operate JQ and QF side by side but not on the same days. It would be an interesting challenge to Thai and to the future Thai Air Asia X.

Can't see QF flying into HNL from anywhere but SYD. It will funnel premium pax through there and leave the LCC traffic to its other JQ SYD, MEL and BNE flights.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
QF wants SYD-HKG at 2 daily. Once that is done there could be more HKG service but I think you'll see them solidify that first.

The upgrades of the MEL flights will be interesting to see.

It indicates that there is increasing demand for MEL-HKG but theres not really any more slack in the 744's utilisation that they can exploit over the next couple of years.

It may need to look at increasing frequency which may be possible once the 789's arrive, but that will depend on just what fleet plans QF have at that stage.QF is in a difficuilt position currently across its network trying to limit capital expenditure whilst maximising the utilisation of its current fleet.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
I assume QF knows the traffic demand out of BNE for MNL. Having said that, it would be an interesting way to raise the number of flights originating in Sydney if, on the current days they're not operating, they did a SYD-BNE-MNL operation. That would re-position the aircraft back into Sydney so could work. (Although I doubt they would try it again)

QF is already increasing frequency on SYD-MNL but if it did eventually look at moving it up to daily at some point I still think it will focus it purely on the non-stop option on that route. It seems to be the way they roll.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
I'd see QF returning to Korea before I see them flying into Vietnam again.

I agree but I really don't see QF back in Korea any time soon either.

qfvhoqa · Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:45 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 187):
I actually think MEL-BKK is a route they should be all over.

Agreed - TG is in quite a bit of trouble with their lack of profitability finally being called to account. If MEL-BKK were to fall under the EK-QF JV it would have a better chance.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 189):
As for Vietnam, I can see some QF seasonal service maybe but I think QF are happy with the current codeshare arrangements to get people in there.

Vietnam is more of a JQ destination, but VN would have even lower costs than JQ. They would be difficult to undercut on fares.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 191):
Can't see QF flying into HNL from anywhere but SYD.

I believe the suggestion was to run MEL-BKK like SYD-HNL. QF and JQ both present but usually on alternate days.

IndianicWorld · Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 192):
I believe the suggestion was to run MEL-BKK like SYD-HNL. QF and JQ both present but usually on alternate days.

I understood the suggestion and it has logic but can't see them doing that. BKK will likely be a SYD only flight for QF mainline, and it will feed any premium pax onto those flights.

As for the mixed brand option, a route like MEL-NRT made sense to try that and it may have eventuated had the Vic govt not apparently walked away from the QF negotiations about the extra Japan flights.

Quoting qfvhoqa (Reply 192):
Vietnam is more of a JQ destination, but VN would have even lower costs than JQ. They would be difficult to undercut on fares.

Agreed.

TruemanQLD · Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:03 am

Anyone know what is going on with JQ's MEL-PER flights? Nearly all of them have been cancelled for a week now (they operate 3x daily):

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq972/
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq962/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq976/

Seems very strange. Also did anyone find out why the VA PER-MEL flight last week took such a northern route? Is the reason related?

qf789 · Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:05 am

Woolworths inks new deal will QF. Shoppers will be able to earn 870 points instead of receiving $10 cash back

http://www.ausbt.com.au/woolworths-q...ink-new-frequent-flyer-points-deal

a320fan · Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 66):

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 194):
Anyone know what is going on with JQ's MEL-PER flights? Nearly all of them have been cancelled for a week now (they operate 3x daily):

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq972/
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq962/
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/jq976/

Seems very strange. Also did anyone find out why the VA PER-MEL flight last week took such a northern route? Is the reason related?

Don't know. But found this

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/...6514/critics-lash-no-show-jetstar/

IndianicWorld · Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:06 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 194):
Anyone know what is going on with JQ's MEL-PER flights? Nearly all of them have been cancelled for a week now (they operate 3x daily):

Very odd.

There was a story in a newspaper the other day that I read online about this and JQ stated something about operational requirements. Could mean anything really.

TruemanQLD · Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:05 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 197):
Very odd.

There was a story in a newspaper the other day that I read online about this and JQ stated something about operational requirements. Could mean anything really.

Just seems odd they would pick all the PER-MEL flights to cancel. They can't be that consistently poorly loaded or they wouldn't be running 3x daily. Surely you would try and spread out the cancellations across the system?

jrfspa320 · Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:18 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 198):

Id imagine as the PER rotations take longer than most others, i.e. amount of time gained by cancelling two flights, and also on a route that QF has enough capacity to cover (i.e. OOL / MCY/... wouldn't work) SYD-PER also has a high cancellation rate.

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