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Delivery Of First ARJ21

Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:05 pm

On November 29, 2015, the first ARJ21 was delivered.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...13O02620151129#r9M6Azm8ZggvblO9.97

Congrats, Comrades.
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SR380
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:51 pm

Nice! It's good to see some T-tail back in service!
 
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Vasu
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Sun Nov 29, 2015 11:25 pm

Any photos out there?
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:18 am

http://s.weibo.com/weibo/ARJ21?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

don't know whether you guys can see the photos without signing up/in the weibo account
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:48 am

Quoting hongkongflyer (Reply 3):

Yes, it's possible. Thanks for sharing!
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 7:03 am

It sure is good to see that M-D tooling still working after all these years!   

Really good to see a T-Tail in service. Wish the 717 had done better and made more of an impact besides Hawaiian, Midwest, Spanair and AirTran but still nice to see a T-tail active.
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:27 am

 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:27 pm

Cool! The ARJ has been the butt of many jokes for a few years but it's good to see it in service. The more countries manufacturing aircraft, the better. I'd love to fly on one someday.

Quoting viasa (Reply 6):
And some more impressions: http://www.comac.cc/xwzx/gsxw/201511/29/t20151129_3178383.shtml

That looks like quite the cake!
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:49 pm

Quoting N415XJ (Reply 7):
Cool! The ARJ has been the butt of many jokes for a few years but it's good to see it in service

Don't mean to be picky, but the ARJ is delivered but not yet in service. Normally with a modern airliner the difference is a matter of few days/weeks but with this program anything is possible.

-Dash9
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:51 pm

Excellent, good to see it's finally in service. I wish success to the ARJ21.

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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Mon Nov 30, 2015 9:18 pm

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 9):

Not in service, just delivered. Remember it was certified in China in 2014 & just got the first 1 delivered. Could be a while.
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Tue Dec 01, 2015 2:14 pm

That cabin interior looks identical to the 717.
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:16 pm

It should. The Chinese got almost all their designs from the MD-95/717 when they were manufacturing parts for McD/Boeing.
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:25 pm

It finally happened, I'm happy to see a different plane in the sky!

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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:31 pm

IIRC, it failed to obtain FAA certification, right? So we will not see it outside the Chinese sphere of influence, and in-service data will be hard to come by...
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:08 pm

Nice to see the first Chinese modded MD95-20 finally be delivered.  
Quoting deltadawg (Reply 5):

It's a testament to the tooling after all these years. Just imagine if it had gone to a more competent manufacturer.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:49 pm

Maybe if MD had put a new wing on the MD90/MD95 they might have sold a bit better...
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:01 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 16):

Definitely the MD-90, not sure about the 95. It was the best option and it's class while McDonnell Douglas was campaigning for it. But a new design that featured commonality between the types would've certainly benefited both programs.

However the 748, A345/6, and ARJ 21 are proof that new wings do not guarantee airplanes sales.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 17):
However the 748, A345/6, and ARJ 21 are proof that new wings do not guarantee airplanes sales.

The ARJ21 has lots of problem, maybe even more than are publicly known, but sales is not one . Per Wikipedia (yeah, I know..) there are 342 net orders. Not bad for an indigenous aircraft already obsolete before EIS. Granted, most orders are from Chinese operators that might have received pressure to order.

Now we can certainly speculate on how many of these will even get delivered!

-Dash9
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:54 pm

It's mostly an MD90, but the wing is supposedly completely new, designed by Antonov.

Incredible that it took this long, honestly. And the delivery is to an airline owned by COMAC, so, this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement just yet. We need to see about EIS.... and then delivery to other airlines...

EIS was supposed to be 5 years ago. So, this is a troubled program with poor execution. Glad they finally made a delivery! Now let's see if they can reproduce that act...
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:17 pm

MD fuselage, Antonov designed wings and CF34 engines. I think?
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:50 am

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 18):
The ARJ21 has lots of problem, maybe even more than are publicly known, but sales is not one . Per Wikipedia (yeah, I know..) there are 342 net orders

Given the amount of years it has had to achieve 342 net orders, I'd say it's pretty shoddy for a 100 seater. And how many of them were placed in the West? Let's not give a pass for low expectations.

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 18):
Granted, most orders are from Chinese operators that might have received pressure to order.

Might have? Politically correct, are we?  
Quoting Siren (Reply 19):
And the delivery is to an airline owned by COMAC, so, this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement just yet.

Not exactly is right. And further inflating the true sales numbers in the marketplace.
Did you know that a Boeing 717-200 is really a McDonnell Douglas MD95-30? ;-)
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:15 am

Why can't Boeibg get the tooling back and put the 717 back into production?
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:22 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 22):
Why can't Boeibg get the tooling back and put the 717 back into production?

I'm sure they could if they wanted, but they have other more important priorities and don't see a market for a plane like the 717. After all, Boeing did end production on it. They wouldn't bring it back just because they want to. Boeing makes airplanes to make money, not to please aviation enthusiasts.
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:32 am

Quoting UA444 (Reply 22):
Why can't Boeibg get the tooling back and put the 717 back into production?

The tooling in China isn't the 717 tooling, its from either the MD80/MD90 programs that were set up in China but never went anywhere.

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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:49 am

Quoting Siren (Reply 23):

Do you know what narrowbody of 10-15 years age has the hottest market value right now?

The alternative is ceding the 100 seater market to Embraer and others, which Boeing have already done. The 737-6 and 737-7MAX are DOA at EIS.
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:14 am

Great working getting the DC9 back in the air. Congrats. Will DL make an order?
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:23 am

Quoting DeltaMD95 (Reply 25):
Do you know what narrowbody of 10-15 years age has the hottest market value right now?

Indeed I do. And if there were a lot of demand for such a new vehicle, no doubt COMAC's ARJ21 would be selling like hotcakes, and there would be demand to have it certified in the US and EU.
 
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RE: Delivery Of First ARJ21

Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:10 pm

Quoting Siren (Reply 19):
EIS was supposed to be 5 years ago.

Eight years ago was the original EIS. The ARJ-21 will not have many years before EIS of the MR9 or E2-175.

Quoting Dash9 (Reply 18):
The ARJ21 has lots of problem, maybe even more than are publicly known,

There will be durability issues on components. COMAC cut corners to improve fuel burn and weight without asking vendors the cost. There are new Chinese vendors making parts that should never be made by new vendors; there is a reason the industry has consolidated to Moog, Goodrich, UTAS, Meggitt, Woodward, FIAT, Fokker, Curtiss-Wright, and Honeywell. Certain components work best if engineered by someone who has done it before. Yes, all the airframes and engine companies can still design competing parts, but usually is is more reliable to buy.


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