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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:37 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 49):
George Washington's

As far as I know George Washington is dead? The difference is that in the first case people honour and thank someone for his achievments in constructing their country, and in the second case someone puts the crown on his own head (like Napoleon did).
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:43 am

The US dedicates and names military ships, airports, public buildings, schools, etc to after living presidents as well. Look at Houston Bush, or Clinton National Airports.

I see no problem having a ribbon cutting ceremony on a politicians birthday be it in the US or Turkey.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:10 am

I am %100 sure after seeing this date: the name of new airport will be 'Istanbul Recep Tayyip Erdogan Airport'. A gift on their birthday is the new airport.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:36 am

And let's not forget the smybology of replacing the "old, small, inferior" Ataturk Airport with the "new, huge, shiny" Erdogan airport...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:31 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 44):
In a last minute swap, effective December 28th no more Comfort Class in MIA.

First aircraft with CC already is in the process of being converted to 49J with no CC class (TC-JJL). Additionally, there is a another new frame TC-LJD joining the fleet soon.

On top of that, MIA offers a lot of high yield potential, therefore they have chosen to swap the aircraft to allow for more J capacity
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:13 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 51):

Is there any Obama Airport? I mean is this an appreciation after leaving the office, or do you give president name to an airport while he is in the office? Just trying to understand US practice.

This situation reminds me change of photos on Turkish Lira to Ismet Inonu after Kemal Ataturk passed away.  
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:42 pm

It'd be more likely that rather than a new LCC it'll be a different Turkish brand such as Turkish Regional operating with a TK flight number.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 55):
Is there any Obama Airport? I mean is this an appreciation after leaving the office, or do you give president name to an airport while he is in the office? Just trying to understand US practice.

No Obama airport yet but they are speaking about renaming airports in Illinois and Hawaii after him.
So far there are schools, streets, parks, a mountain and even newly discovered animal species named after him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_things_named_after_Barack_Obama

Point being, the U.S. has no issue naming things after sitting and living presidents or other significant personalities.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 52):
I am %100 sure after seeing this date: the name of new airport will be 'Istanbul Recep Tayyip Erdogan Airport'. A gift on their birthday is the new airport.

I thought it was already announced new airport would be names after Erdogan last year?

http://news.yahoo.com/istanbul-airpo...t-may-named-erdogan-184645971.html
http://www.newsweek.com/istanbuls-ne...e-named-after-erdogan-264580?rx=us
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/erdogan-air...er-turkeys-president-elect-1461166

Seems fitting for what will be the longest serving president in Turkey but maybe most importantly the fact that he and his party was the guiding vision for the airport itself and made Turkey such a major transportation hub the last decade.

As far as what other nations do, it seems to be its common to name things after still alive leaders. Look at the UK, which have tons of things named after current Monarchs. Every little earl, or duke has public facility in their honor.

Will Turkey apply with IATA for resignation of code "RTE"? I see its currently assigned to some tiny airport in Alaska US and has no commercial services.

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 54):
First aircraft with CC already is in the process of being converted to 49J with no CC class (TC-JJL). Additionally, there is a another new frame TC-LJD joining the fleet soon.

Do we have an end date for comfort class entirely?
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:43 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 58):
I thought it was already announced new airport would be names after Erdogan last year?

Those are only rumors and personally I doubt the airport will be named after Erdogan. I'm interested in what they're going to name this airport, my bets are that it's going to be an Ottoman Sultan... to be more specific I think it's going to be Fatih Sultan Mehmet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:51 am

Flew AtlasGlobal (formerly Atlas Jet) for the first time on an international flight out of IST. Took them to LTN and connected to LHR for my US bound flight. They are nicely placed between Onur Air and Turkish in terms of service and quality.

Planning on writing about my experience on Kokpit.aero.. Stay tuned.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:04 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 12):
There were some news that Turkey and India would discuss new bilateral during G20 summit at Antalya. Is there any update about it?

That would be huge. Anything more?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
3rd airport on track for 2018. Main terminal and 3 runways part of phase 1.

Amazing. I wonder if the EU3 and ME3 know how much their world is about to change?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 39):
Expect to be Europe's busiest

No competition. I assume no curfew?

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:48 am

Turkish CAA has issued a circular as to defining those interested airlines in Turkey to serve direct international destinations from ADB (to destinations unserved by Turkish carriers) just like the one issued for ESB in June.

None of the awarded routes from ESB to Pegasus and AJet were inaugurated so I wonder why is this the case? Secondly how come ADB is now been tendered the same way?

Anybody has further insight to the details???...Thanks
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 61):

Yes it must be assumed no curfew as ops at IST are 24/7 anyway. I remember landing in IST at about 4 am = )
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:01 pm

Once the third airport begins to operate, will it end the flights over the city ?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:09 pm

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 64):
Once the third airport begins to operate, will it end the flights over the city ?

Most likely yes, at least the flight level will be much higher than now. However, this also depends on the designed approach procedures, which are not available yet.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 64):

Approaches from the north will be over the black sea anyway and i am assuming southerly approaches would skip the main part of town so yes airport location is ideal to avoid the city.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:14 pm

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 64):
Once the third airport begins to operate, will it end the flights over the city ?

IIRC, the prominent wind direction for the new airport is N/NE. So, I think on some days we might see flights circling over the Sea of Marmara and crossing Istanbul and landing N. Maybe our pilot members can confirm this?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:13 pm

Well I am sort of happy to hear flights will not fly over the city, northern approaches created a lot of noise over my house and office, especially in the summer when the windows are mostly open.

I said I was sort of happy, I will miss the take-offs and landings that were right above the city and created nice oppurtunities to take great photos of Bosphorus.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:02 pm

Czech Airline CSA is launching thrice weekly and year-round Prague Ankara Prague...It was disclosed that the timing of flights are going to be ideal to feed into continental European connections.

The official announcement to be made soon by the airline.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:57 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 69):

This is nice news. As a beginning, 3w is also a reasonable start.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:09 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 70):

It will be the only Skyteam member to serve ESB so I would think they should capture good pax from AZ, AF, KL etc. If they do an early departure from ESB can even offer some connections to North Amreica too with DL...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:34 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 69):
zech Airline CSA is launching thrice weekly and year-round Prague Ankara Prague...It was disclosed that the timing of flights are going to be ideal to feed into continental European connections.

Have you bother to look at OK schedules? They are a tiny airline with very low frequency services to most of their network and don't even service some large Europe markets like London.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 71):
If they do an early departure from ESB can even offer some connections to North Amreica too with DL...

How? DL does not service PRG most of the year. Only seasonal summer service even shorter timeframe than DL at IST.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:31 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 72):

Thanks for the valuable information.

In either case we need more international destinations ex-ESB so that is good addition and hope more will follow. OK suspended IST so could not resist TK competiton I can imagine, it is logical for them to look at niche markets like ESB where there is some potential to make money....

Ankara is among the first international destinations they inaugrated in 1947 (see blow)...

1947
Entered into intercontinental air transport for the first time, with the opening of flights to Cairo and Ankara.

So it is good to see those back after a long time...!!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:22 pm

TK has launched today TNR and MRU and flying now into 285 airports in 282 cities and 113 countries. Amazing!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:06 pm

TK's recent frequency increases:

Karachi going doubly daily from daily as of 29 Feb 16
Abu Dhabi daily from 4 weekly as of now
Yanbu double daily from 10 weekly as of 25 Jan 16
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:54 pm

I guess there will be increased demand to Doha now that Turkey will be basing 3,000 troops, aircraft and ships in the emirate.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:11 pm

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 75):
Abu Dhabi daily from 4 weekly as of now

quite interesting! I remember the reductions from daily to 4weekly were driven by "disputes" between both countries thus resulting in frequency reductions at EY as well. I see that they remain with 5x weekly (except over the winter).

It's about time EY serves SAW and ESB, too.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 77):
ESB, too

That would be great, but I highly doubt it. TK will never allow that. I still have difficulty to explain, how QR is allowed to fly to ESB.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:37 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 78):
That would be great, but I highly doubt it. TK will never allow that. I still have difficulty to explain, how QR is allowed to fly to ESB.

It is highly political, just look at the immense cooperation between the two countries.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 76):

Yes but it will mostly be through ANK (Ankara Etimesgut Airport) as has been in other foreign missions (such as Afghanistan, Bosnia, Albania, Africa, etc.). To my knowledge, TuAF has scheduled services to all these missions like an airline.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 80):
Yes but it will mostly be through ANK (Ankara Etimesgut Airport) as has been in other foreign missions (such as Afghanistan, Bosnia, Albania, Africa, etc.). To my knowledge, TuAF has scheduled services to all these missions like an airline.

If you are permanently basing 3,000 troops someplace which is not a war zone there will be regular leisure traffic back and forth including dependents and families.

Add in the fact that TK provides discount up to 50 percent for military personnel, spouses and children there should a bump in demand on the TK route to DOH.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:55 am

Which Aircraft Code in Booking System have following aircrafts?

A321s
TC-JSZ, TC-JTA, TC-JTD, TC-JTE --> all 32M?

B773
TC-LJC --> 77E?

A332
TC-LNB --> 33T?
What is the configuration of this aircraft?


And does anybody know if TC-LJD (new B773) will deliver this year or in January?
According to TK presentations, it should be this year.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:21 pm

TK selects Pratt & Whitney GTF to power Airbus NEO fleet

http://www.mro-network.com/news/2015...es-opts-pw-s-purepower-engine/6381
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:19 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 82):
TC-JSZ, TC-JTA, TC-JTD, TC-JTE --> all 32M?

  

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 82):
TC-LJC --> 77E?

  

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 82):
TC-LNB --> 33T?
What is the configuration of this aircraft?

  

18+251. Same as TC-LNA
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:41 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 83):

I expected that. Same choice like A321 in their fleet.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 84):

  
Thanks for your help LAXintl, always great job!   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:45 pm

Karachi frequency increase from daily to double daily using a B739ER is confirmed now.

The schedule can be read here : http://airline-news.blogspot.com.ng/...h-increases-karachi-to-double.html

When is the frequency increase to Manila taking place?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:44 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 86):
When is the frequency increase to Manila taking place?

As far as I know, early February, 4 weekly A343 frequencies will be added to the current 3 weekly B77W trips, but that frequency reinforcement is not currently loaded for S16.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:46 pm

kokpitaero posted this about a new livery for TK on a 321. Anyone knows what is that supposed to promote?
http://kokpit.aero/thy-ozel-boyama-tcjrg
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:38 pm

anna.aero looks at 150-200 possible new destinations from the 3rd airport.

http://www.anna.aero/2015/12/17/ista...help-generate-over-200-new-routes/

They seem to however have missed the point of looking a at small second and third tier cities which would be accessed by RJs.
They seem to be focused more on what TK could do with its regular mainline fleet from the new airport.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:43 pm

I saw in the news that Adria Airways of Slovenia will end service to Istanbul effective January.
They currently operate about 10-12x weekly with mix of CR9 and Airbus equipment.

That leaves TK alone in the market to LJU with 10 weekly frequencies.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:00 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 89):

Nice comparison between Airlines and Airports but also a little bit dreaming in it.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:23 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 86):

Will also get 737-800 inplace of A330, says airlineroute.

[Edited 2015-12-18 12:24:55]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:19 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 89):
anna.aero looks at 150-200 possible new destinations from the 3rd airport.

Will certainly be interesting to see all the new opportunities that become available with the 3rd airport.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:07 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 93):
anna.aero looks at 150-200 possible new destinations from the 3rd airport.
Will certainly be interesting to see all the new opportunities that become available with the 3rd airport.

Yeah imagine a regional fleet of 100-150 CSeries planes. Wow!
Of course in addition to the 300 NB planes and 150 WBs... Definitely possible I believe.
Maybe even a runway for seaplanes could be possible.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 88):
a new livery for TK on a 321.

Here is an update: "Turkey, Discover the Potential" livery

http://kokpit.aero/thy-discover-the-potantial
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:43 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 90):
I saw in the news that Adria Airways of Slovenia will end service to Istanbul effective January.
They currently operate about 10-12x weekly with mix of CR9 and Airbus equipment.

That leaves TK alone in the market to LJU with 10 weekly frequencies.

There goes another carrier that I can non rev on that is cancelling the service to Turkey  
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:47 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 86):
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 87):

Here is the airlineroute Information:
http://airlineroute.net/2015/10/16/tk-mnl-feb16/
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting bahadir (Reply 96):

IST is very competitive and it seems particularly many European airlines cannot compete well with TK and look at he number of European airlines that would fly to IST otherwise;

SN, OK, SK, OS, JP, AY, LX (dropped GVA-IST), LH (Dropped MUC-IST & DUS-IST), AF (Dropped NCE-IST),

The following routes see considerable capacity reduction with either frequency reduction or utilization of smaller aircraft;

BA (LHR-IST), LH (FRA-IST), AF (CDG-IST), LX (ZRH-IST),

However TK seems to have an overwhelming dominance on these routes with more and more flights now and then and a mix utilization of wide body and narrow body aircraft. With BA's suspension of 767 to IST there are no wide-body operators to IST from European destinations by European airlines....

Any comments....
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:42 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 98):
IST is very competitive and it seems particularly many European airlines cannot compete well with TK

Inability to compete with TK should not be a surprise.

Bulk of European legacy airlines have terrible products. Business class is 3x3 versus 2x2 on TK, the economy pax are lucky if they get free beverages or buy on board option versus nice hot meals on TK.
I recently flew AF business class and the meal I was offered would not even be acceptable as a TK economy class meal in its size and quality!

So between competitors poor product, weak schedules, and high cost base, no surprise TK can manage to win in the market.

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 98):
With BA's suspension of 767 to IST

In fairness BA is suspending 767s to every market. The 767 is being retired and shrinking fleet replaced by more Airbus narrowbodies around Europe.
Same how LH retired its A300 fleet. Basically no widebody ops inside Europe any longer as airlines retired their fleets.

[Edited 2015-12-19 07:49:23]
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