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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:08 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 148):
I guess, you are right.
My thought was, since the plane came to a stop an angle it would be hard to deplane pax using stairs, therefore might be easier to just slide down. I wonder if they somewhat leveled the plane first or somehow used another tool ??

I have been trying out an emergency slide on a 767 (about the same size of aircraft). You go down **** fast and if you are not reasonably athletic it is very easy to have some injuries at the end, like broken bones.

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:34 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 149):
I do not like the way in which the new HAN route structure is being handled as it confuses the general public.

Why would it be confusing? People look online and see a flight schedule, or their travel agent looks in GDS. What they see is TK will offer 5x weekly service to Vietnam markets.

All Vietnam markets are bundled together on a single flight and all are nonstop. No longer BKK stop for SGN pax.

But this is only temporary. TK has stated it seeks to operate each destination independently nonstop, but is waiting for Vietnam's approval to go beyond 7-weekly frequencies which current bilateral allows.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 149):
I also see TPE-IST being increased from daily to 10 weekly B77Ws from July 2016! Is there something special happening to the Taiwanese economy to first warrant EK daily 615 seater A380 and now TK increasing capacity by +40%?

Well as far as for TK, they signed a deal with BR which will also launch its own IST service in March 4x weekly.
Goal was to jointly offer double daily service between the cities and promote connectivity via each others hubs.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 150):
have some injuries at the end, like broken bones.

Ouch!!! May I have the stairs please ? 
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:11 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 143):

Thank you for your detailed info.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:34 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 149):
I do not like the way in which the new HAN route structure is being handled as it confuses the general public.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 151):
Why would it be confusing? People look online and see a flight schedule, or their travel agent looks in GDS. What they see is TK will offer 5x weekly service to Vietnam markets.

I read research once on Alitalia's then LAX and SFO schedules, indicating the higher yielding traffic tends to prefer more symmetric schedules, i.e. daily and identical. From that point of view, I also believe that TK would have been better off with an identical triangle for every day of its Vietnam operation rather than a 3+2 option. Even better would have been a daily operation. Any reason TK didn't opt for an IST-SGN-HAN-SGN-IST pattern, as it does with IST-MLE-CMB-MLE-IST?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 151):
But this is only temporary. TK has stated it seeks to operate each destination independently nonstop, but is waiting for Vietnam's approval to go beyond 7-weekly frequencies which current bilateral allows.

Two separate terminators will indeed take care of all these issues.

Btw, TK seems to be on a roll at TPE as well, with 10 weekly B77W terminators from the middle of next year. Quite impressive.

Any updates on plans to serve SYD and MEL? And what about HKT and DPS?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:15 am

Turkish Airlines has an Excel sheet on their website (under download timetable) with load factors of all destinations by January 2015. Very interesting numbers! I haven't seen it before. Is that new?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:45 am

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 155):
Turkish Airlines has an Excel sheet on their website (under download timetable) with load factors of all destinations by January 2015. Very interesting numbers! I haven't seen it before. Is that new?

couldn't locate it, do you have a direct link for us?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:49 am

Merry Christmas to all!
Took TK2 to IST from JFK in J and it was a decent flight, no events other than the temp as always which the purser admitted to it off the bat and went back to the company standard temp 
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The 330 this time was brand new with IFE system I never seen before (granted most of my JFK-IST flying was on 777) it had a PSP style controller kind of cool, but when you were sleeping it was projecting a lot of light and I'm sure there is a way to shut that off. The aircraft was not named, could that mean brand new or not all aircraft are named? Couldn't get reg info.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:52 am

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 156):
http://www.turkishairlines.com/download/timetable/thy-hatlar.xlsx

[Edited 2015-12-25 01:53:26]

[Edited 2015-12-25 01:54:16]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:52 am

more ESB news:
it seems like LH is going to keep the reduced winter frequency with 11x weekly flights.
the morning departure LH1787 to MUC is only loaded at 4/7 iso daily compared to last years.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:56 am

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 158):

I've posted it but admins deleted it maybe.
Take the Turkish page of thy.com , find under "Online Islemler" the topic "Kalkis-Varis", after that find "Tarife". There you will find "Tarifeyi indir" and then you see the file "Ucus Noktalari".

no load factors are in there... maybe they changed the content
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:56 am

Quoting Turkish777X (Reply 160):

You have to extend the third sheet, it is in the column Q.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:40 am

That LF sheet must be mistakenly placed there as I am absolutely sure it is sensitive data.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:26 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 155):

Wow nice catch! Thats one hell of an amateur mistake yikes. amazing info for us though maybe deserving of its own thread 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:45 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 155):

Thanks. Very interesting indeed.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:51 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 161):

Thanks for digging this up. Thanks !!
Lot to digest... I guess the LF is for the year ending in Jan 15, Right?
All the new routes not included like SFO, MIA.

I'll save the hassle for all those and give you some TK LF numbers:

Highest Load Factors:
-ISB 95%
-BOM 93%
-DEL 91%
-Igdir (domestic) 90%
-HKG, BKK, SGN 89%

Lowest Load Factors:
-Munster 53%
-Najat 52%
-Kermanshah 48%
-Stravropol 44%
-Mazar-i Sharif 42%
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:10 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 154):
indicating the higher yielding traffic tends to prefer more symmetric schedules, i.e. daily and identical.

You are right, except that Vietnam hardly qualifies for a higher yielding business market for TK where schedule can be a key competitive item.

The traveler profile on the route if mix of European and Turkish tourist and the Vietnamese diaspora and workers in places like France and Germany(esp Berlin) and the Magreb.

Anyhow the triangle schedule is a short term solution. At some point the flights will go to independent terminators once they can receive greater frequency allocation.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 4:24 pm

Thanks for LF data.

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:50 pm

Quote:
Saudia to fly 787-9 on Riyadh - Istanbul Ataturk route from 01APR16
www.twitter.com/airlineroute/status/680697001244151809
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting TK787 (Reply 165):
Highest Load Factors:
-BOM 93%
-DEL 91%

Just wow - I had no idea BOM and DEL were doing so well for TK! High time they move to expand in Indai - even if that means tie up with *A partner AI and use that as a lever to expand the bilaterals.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:16 pm

Shouldnt the loest LF routes be dropped? and do crew layover in Mazar-i-Sharif?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:31 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 170):

Shouldnt the loest LF routes be dropped? and do crew layover in Mazar-i-Sharif?

LF does not tell you what the profitability is. Some of TK's most profitable routes are ones to places like Iraq, Africa, etc which ironically tend to have low LF.

Second the purported numbers whether correct or not are only for a single month - January and hardly tell you the big picture.

Lastly, TK many years ago stopped considering segment profitability. Value of routes is based on its overall network contribution not stand alone loss or profit. In other words with a hub operations a loss making route might help other routes become profitable due to traffic flow across them.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:00 pm

Does crew layover in Afghanistan?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:03 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 171):
LF does not tell you what the profitability is. Some of TK's most profitable routes are ones to places like Iraq, Africa, etc which ironically tend to have low LF.

Second the purported numbers whether correct or not are only for a single month - January and hardly tell you the big picture.

Lastly, TK many years ago stopped considering segment profitability. Value of routes is based on its overall network contribution not stand alone loss or profit. In other words with a hub operations a loss making route might help other routes become profitable due to traffic flow across them.

Absolutely.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:58 am

Has anyone heard/received any firm info about aircraft damaged in the SAW attack last week? All I have heard (on the thread already running on this) is that one PG aircraft was damaged.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:25 pm

Turkish Airlines has started today flights to Zaporozhye, Ukraine. TK flying now to 113 countries, 283 cities, 286 Airports.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:20 pm

Does TK have to deal with any government restrictions on their flights to YYZ and YUL?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting VAM8789 (Reply 176):
Does TK have to deal with any government restrictions on their flights to YYZ and YUL?

Yes Canada notorious tight with frequency and destination rights. TK was only able to start YUL in 2014 after much waiting and cant even make YYZ daily.
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:14 pm

Is there any spot at IST where small cabin pets can be let loose to stretch their legs during transit, on leash ofcourse.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:15 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 170):

If Mazar-i-Sharif is 42% passengers, I doubt it's a great route but I am sure it can improve. Plus if (let's say) 30-35% of those passengers are transiting then it's helping European/America routes to fill up/make profit.

Also, good to note that it only started 2 years ago, so that data is only for the first year of operation. Hopefully it has increased since.

Operational costs to an airport in Afghanistan are probably very low, maybe fuel is cheap too and there could also be cargo to consider.

[Edited 2015-12-28 14:16:06]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:26 am

Nice SFO-IST trip report.

Turkish Airlines Business Class. SFO-IST B777 (by sfflyer123 Dec 28 2015 in Trip Reports)

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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:46 am

Having been caught up in it before during snow chaos it seems it will be fun and games over the next days at IST.

Turkish Airlines cancels Istanbul flights as snow storms loom

ANKARA - Turkish Airlines canceled 142 flights to and from Istanbul and warned of further disruption in coming days as the city braced on Wednesday for heavy snow.

Many of the canceled flights were domestic, but routes to European and Middle Eastern airports including Hamburg, Munich, Milan and Tehran were also hit.

"The light snow that has been forecast around Istanbul on 30 December is expected to increase in severity on 31 December," a statement on the company's website read.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/T...flights-as-snow-storms-loom-438822
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:16 pm

Fleet updates;

- Onur Air took delivery of 2 A332. Registration TC-OCG and TC-OCH. Onur took also A320 TC-FBJ of Freebird. New registration TC-ODB.

- Atlasjet took delivery of TC-AGU A320, ex Metrojet aircraft.

- Borajet with new Embraer 195 TC-YAU. But one exit too: TC-YAK went as PH-IAM.

- Pegasus new bird TC-CPZ B738. Next follows soon.

- Old B737-700 of Anadolujet, TC-SAO, went to Gol Linhas Aereas as PR-GEJ. Another one TC-SAP is in redelivery.

Turkish Airlines ends this year with plus 38 aircraft, next year 43 follows. According to TK entry-exit file, next year 12 B738 go to Anadolujet.

[Edited 2015-12-31 06:18:51]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation December 2015

Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:14 pm

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