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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:10 am

Quoting Krod031 (Reply 99):
hey have also added CLE-PHL/SFO/LAX/PHX/PDX and Returned CLE-RDU. A very nice add for CLE.

Love CLE-PDX.  

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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:59 pm

The CLE experiment continues for Frontier! It's been interesting watching this airline evolve at CLE the past two years. I guess their move last year to mostly daily flights has now switched back to less than daily for some of the new adds.

Frontier will be serving the following western destinations from CLE: SEA, PDX, LAS, SFO, LAX, PHX, and DEN. That's an impressive spring and summer line up of destinations. Meanwhile DL, and soon to be AA, can't even offer one flight out west.

PDX is a nice add for CLE as a brand new destination, this flight will probably draw from a much larger catchment area. Perhaps F9 will launch a similar seasonal SAN for next winter?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:31 pm

Interesting how F9 adds and drops and adds and drops. If they actually plan on serving any of these places long-term, I hope they renovate their CLE infrastructure; their signs aren't even level with each other behind their checkin counters.

The end of A this morning was a mild s#!tshow as usual, with angry F9 pax mulling about looking at another major delay and a gate agent I absolutely could not understand. I just kept picking out the word "voucher."
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:28 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 102):
Interesting how F9 adds and drops and adds and drops. If they actually plan on serving any of these places long-term, I hope they renovate their CLE infrastructure; their signs aren't even level with each other behind their checkin counters.

Perhaps the CLE airport authority might be the answer to the "uneven signage"
   

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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:31 pm

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 101):
Perhaps F9 will launch a similar seasonal SAN for next winter?

The lack of CLE-SAN flights is a continuing mystery to me. As your list of pax counts showed, the demand is (and has always been) there; yields aren't any worse than LAX (where CLE will have 3 competitors this summer); and yet nobody flies it.

On the subject of CLE-LAX, Southwest has been a substantial #2 in the market based solely on one-stop (usually with a plane change) routings. They will need to step up their game or watch traffic bleed away.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:33 am

Great news for CLE. I remain impressed with all the nonstop west coast service CLE is seeing. Down here in PIT we only have 4 weekly flights to the entire west coast at present! Even in the summer when PIT has 1x daily to LAX and SFO, I estimate CLE will have four times the number of west coast flights as PIT.

CLE officials are idiots if they don't advertise that fact to the Pittsburgh market, in a similar fashion as PIT officials marketed the nonstop PIT-CDG flight to Cleveland. Its under a 2 hour drive.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:10 am

OK, so the CLE website SUCKS in regards to which airline has what gates. Just a general "these airlines on A" or whatever. As changes take place it would be nice to see a real map with real locations identified. And why wasn't the banjo on C "filled in"? It has that weird notch in it.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:47 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 105):
Great news for CLE. I remain impressed with all the nonstop west coast service CLE is seeing.

Despite the very nice diversity of destinations Frontier is providing, it's still just 10 daily flights, equaling previous year's departures.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 106):
And why wasn't the banjo on C "filled in"? It has that weird notch in it.

Continental was footing the bill and encountered one of their periodic financial panics during construction. They over-reacted (as usual) and stopped whatever construction they could. C is also missing moving walkways and some other promised goodies.

[Edited 2016-01-07 21:49:42]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:14 pm

This should come as no surprise, but 2nd quarter 2015 fares at CLE fell about 20% from 2nd quarter 2014 fares.

Average CLE fare:
2Q 2015 $371.24
2Q 2014 $465.09

$385.11 is the US average for 2Q 2015, so it's easy to see what ULCC stimulation and a hub dismantling does to fares and local O&D traffic.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:09 pm

It seems that that stat is flawed, though. What is the stage lenght? Fare per mile? Just saying the average fare fell 20% means nothing if the average length of trip also fell 20%. I would rather see the average fare per mile traveled (although that may not mean much to the general public....)
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:38 pm

Quoting swacle (Reply 109):

It seems that that stat is flawed, though. What is the stage lenght? Fare per mile? Just saying the average fare fell 20% means nothing if the average length of trip also fell 20%. I would rather see the average fare per mile traveled (although that may not mean much to the general public....)

Those are good points. It does make it hard to compare overall average fare between airports that have an entirely different mix of flights. Here's the route specific data for CLE year over year which illustrates where the fares dropped:

City, 2Q14 fare, 2Q15 fare, Change
FLL 247 134 -45.7%
BOS 314 190 -39.5%
LAS 282 173 -38.7%
PHL 396 246 -37.9%
MCO 208 137 -34.1%
LAX 344 244 -29.1%
PHX 283 202 -28.6%
TPA 206 155 -24.8%
ATL 228 177 -22.4%
DFW 282 226 -19.9%
SEA 304 247 -18.8%
ORD 211 188 -10.9%
SFO 360 322 -10.6%
MDW 170 159 -6.5%
DEN 238 228 -4.2%
SAN 316 308 -2.5%
DCA 296 299 1.0%
BWI 153 158 3.3%
BNA 164 176 7.3%
STL 219 239 9.1%
LGA 269 294 9.3%

I think it's interesting that average fares to WN strongholds of BNA and BWI went up as WN became the only carrier on those routes after the hub closure. You can thank B6 and NK for the incredible drops in fare to BOS and FLL.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:42 pm

Delta's April schedule shows a 717 on CLE-MSP, as part of a seat expansion. Only 2 50-seaters left, if I'm counting correctly, one of four to DTW and one of three to JFK.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:14 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 111):
Delta's April schedule shows a 717 on CLE-MSP, as part of a seat expansion. Only 2 50-seaters left, if I'm counting correctly, one of four to DTW and one of three to JFK

Nice to see some new mainline (and seat expansion) from DL at CLE. I also noticed that WN has increased CLE-PHX to double daily for mid March through early April. While just a couple week add, it's certainly interesting from WN, which doesn't do much outside their normal extensions.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:23 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 112):
I also noticed that WN has increased CLE-PHX to double daily for mid March through early April. While just a couple week add, it's certainly interesting from WN, which doesn't do much outside their normal extensions.

WN must know the Cleveland Indians are going to be great this season, and expect Clevelanders to flock to Arizona to watch spring training!
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:42 pm

http://www.clevelandairport.com/cle-...nger-numbers-continue-upward-trend

CLE's numbers continue to grow totalling 7.452 million pax through November; looks like 8+ million for 2015.

Especially interesting is the 62.7% international pop for November year-over-year - almost as big for October. This argues for a big growth in regional disposable income (matching the huge drop in unemployment), which in turn makes the case that the area can support more international service.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 8:42 pm

60% international growth--- ??? that has to be some statistical anomaly, for instance is Canada somehow grouped differently, is Apple Vacation picking up the pace with charters to Mexico. Outside of google or amazon circa 2005, there's not much that grows so quickly.

Kudos to our friendly rivals in Pittsburgh, who now have daily service to CDG, for a much longer season than they've had in the past. I'd like to think that bodes well for Cleveland, except I just don't see any airline stepping in. Cleveland is drivable to a nice international airport in Detroit. CVG and PIT are not. . . . .
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:01 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 115):
60% international growth--- ??? that has to be some statistical anomaly,

The raw numbers CLE provided for international arrivals+departures are:

Nov 15 - 12,385
Oct 15 - 13,174
Nov 14 - 7,612

One month might be a mistake; two months looks like a trend.  

Edit: detailed numbers are here: http://www.clevelandairport.com/company/history (scroll down)

[Edited 2016-01-12 13:05:34]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:47 pm

Thanks for the source data, MasseyBrown. Now I'm more convinced that there is some sort of reporting mistake or timing issue with the report or something. November is up 62% but year to date is up 2% and change? I know the economy in CLE has been getting better, but what would explain such a sudden spike during the last month or two? It's not like Glaxo has moved to town. . . .

YTD that's about 500 people per day total (arrivals AND departure). That is just chicken feed, especially if it does include YYZ (nonstop flights) and all those flights to Cancun.

I would love, love, love to know if anyone has studied how much of NE Ohio international traffic leaks to other airports, or buys split tickets out of JFK or YYZ. I think having a number like that would be CLE's only hope of returning flights across the pond.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:13 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 117):
I would love, love, love to know if anyone has studied how much of NE Ohio international traffic leaks to other airports, or buys split tickets out of JFK or YYZ. I think having a number like that would be CLE's only hope of returning flights across the pond.

One other gateway that's a big one is to buy split tix out of BOS since the rates there are dirt cheap.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:12 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 117):
Now I'm more convinced that there is some sort of reporting mistake or timing issue with the report or something. November is up 62% but year to date is up 2% and change?

Frontier started daily CUN service this fall, that's what's driving the international growth. Don't forget that UA was flying YUL and YYZ in early 2014 and not 2015 which is why int'l isn't as up as much on a YTD basis.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:27 am

Hmmm I thought CUN was served for quite a long time by Frontier, Apple vacation charters. In fact if I'm not mistaken they used to serve Punta Cana as well with greater frequency than current. Maybe their vacation flying started up earlier this year?

At present, UA only has Saturday service to CUN, I remember them having greater frequency, maybe not last year though.

I do feel that AC has added seats to YYZ and their international pricing is very attractive. Their pricing to YYZ is ridiculous, but go beyon that they may be pricing to stimulate some more demand.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:06 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 114):
totalling 7.452 million pax through November; looks like 8+ million for 2015.

What's also noteworthy about the November YoY increase is that Frontier would have driven little if any of that domestic growth. While their destination list is much different than a year ago, the departures per day for Nov 14 were similar to Nov 15. Obviously B6 and NK weren't flying in 2014, but their pax numbers wouldn't come close to the 100k increase CLE saw in November, especially when you factor in that UA likely shrunk quite a bit. That means that WN, DL, or AA (or a combination of all three) likely saw a nice bump.

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 120):
Hmmm I thought CUN was served for quite a long time by Frontier, Apple vacation charters. In fact if I'm not mistaken they used to serve Punta Cana as well with greater frequency than current. Maybe their vacation flying started up earlier this year?

F9 has flown CUN for a while now, but it was usually 2 or 3 days per week. It's been 6-7 days per week now. F9 did also fly to PUJ this past November (and for several years prior with Apple vacations). I think some the of the Apple vacation stuff has recently switched to other charter carriers besides F9. I wouldn't be surprised if other charters are also helping to drive the int'l growth.

As for YYZ, Air Canada has increased seat count with larger turbo props as of late. The favorable exchange rate with the Canadian dollar is likely helping them fill international beyond Canada connections from CLE. The round trip YYZ-CLE fares are outrageous, yet if you continue on to YUL or YYC the fares are reasonable. What's also interesting is how cheap YYZ-Europe is now. You can easily find economy fares to Europe for USD$400-$600 nonstop round trip. So even if you do purchase an outrageous $450 round trip CLE-YYZ fare, you can end up still saving. I'd imagine YYZ is getting a lot of Americans living near the border to use their airport for international travel. Nonstops on DL from DTW are often twice as expensive as the nonstops from YYZ to Europe are.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:57 am

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 117):
I would love, love, love to know if anyone has studied how much of NE Ohio international traffic leaks to other airports, or buys split tickets out of JFK or YYZ. I think having a number like that would be CLE's only hope of returning flights across the pond.

A few years ago one of the civic groups (Greater CLE Growth Assn?) did a comprehensive survey and determined that CLE sends about 250 pax a day to destinations outside the US, Canada, and Mexico, mostly to Europe and the Middle East. They didn't disclose their methodology in detail except to say it was a passenger survey. That's as close a number as you'll likely find; and it's probably still pretty accurate.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:22 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 120):
I do feel that AC has added seats to YYZ and their international pricing is very attractive. Their pricing to YYZ is ridiculous, but go beyon that they may be pricing to stimulate some more demand.
Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 121):
As for YYZ, Air Canada has increased seat count with larger turbo props as of late. The favorable exchange rate with the Canadian dollar is likely helping them fill international beyond Canada connections from CLE.

This is 100% correct! I will be flying internationally in June and AC through CLE is at least half the price of any other alternative from CLE or CAK. I wanted to do a more direct routing to my destination on DL through DTW but the AC price is making the double stop worth it.

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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:50 am

DoT released their airport numbers for October; CLE trends remain very positive with one exception.

Three columns for October, 2013, 14, and 15

Flights - 6,767 4,098 4,184
Emplanements - 374.2K 296.6K 346.5K
RPM - 244.6M 206.5M 261.7M

Flights are still down a lot; pax are still down a little; but RPMs now exceed the hub days.

The one sad reminder is UA's mainline flights were just 16 per day. That says the CLE crew domicile will be lucky to last another year.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:58 pm

Quoting ncflyer (Reply 115):
60% international growth--- ??? that has to be some statistical anomaly, for instance is Canada somehow grouped differently, is Apple Vacation picking up the pace with charters to Mexico. Outside of google or amazon circa 2005, there's not much that grows so quickly.

Not to beat this to death, but according to FlightAware Xtra (Mexican charter doing Apple's 2x weekly Punta Cana flights) ran a 757-200 CLE-PUJ this morning. That'll boost the numbers on a percentage basis pretty quickly.  
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:29 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 125):
757-200 CLE-PUJ this morning.

It was via National Airlines and arrived CLE at 0630 from SFB before it turned to PUJ.

Would love to see National in CLE at regular intervals. That's a beautiful plane.

[Edited 2016-01-15 09:33:23]
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:53 pm

I was at Hopkins last night around 7pm and there was a very long line checking into some flight. Turns out it was a Sun Country charter to Gulfport-Biloxi, Mississippi. I could see a charter to Hawaii or the Caribbean, but was surprised to see one to Gulfport. Is this to connect to a cruise, a special event in Gulfport, or is this regular common (albeit charter) service? Just curious.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:42 pm

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 127):
I could see a charter to Hawaii or the Caribbean, but was surprised to see one to Gulfport.

Navy Reservist going to the Seabee base for training?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:15 pm

^Probably not--it looked like only couples--with 90% of the folks between 40 and 60 and 100% were white. It was such a homogenous-looking group which is what caught my eye. (Otherwise its just another line at another airport.)
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:02 am

Casino Sales CLE to Harrah's GPT
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 17, 2016 5:26 pm

http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...w-york-state-of-grind-for-traveler

Crain's pretty much says Ultimate's next destination from BKL will be New York via Morristown, NJ.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:05 pm

Another writer calling non-stop flights 'direct' - ugh. It's an epidemic. Non-stop is just that. Non-stop. Direct is a stop or two, but remaining in the same plane. Sorry, pet peeve of mine.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:14 am

Very exciting and surprising its an over served market with UA, DL and AA to LGA plus additional service to JFK and EWR. After NJ I hear Chicago. Was hoping for MCI, ALB, PVD, and MKE but I'm sure there's more demand for CHI and NY. Wishing them well.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:28 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 114):
Especially interesting is the 62.7% international pop for November year-over-year -

More or less confirming CLE's results, PIT also experienced a *big* bump in int'l passengers y-o-y in November. While CLE's int'l pax rose from 7,612 to 12,385, PIT's rose from 6,383 to 10,802 - on a percentage basis an even higher 69.2% jump.

Cheaper fares? More flights? Better economy? Whatever ... it's working.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:36 pm

On Sunday the 17th, before permission was granted to proceed, an airport maintenance employee drove their vehicle across an active runway as a Southwest flight was taking off. The employee is a 13-year veteran.

Cleveland Hopkins Airport worker drives across runway just as aircraft takes flight
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/in...s_airport_work.html#incart_m-rpt-1
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:58 pm

United flew a 767-400 and a 757-200 in from EWR Friday night. Does anyone know why? Re-positioning out of the storm? Flightaware does not show them as having left or scheduled to leave.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:24 am

Quoting avnut43:
On Sunday the 17th, before permission was granted to proceed, an airport maintenance employee drove their vehicle across an active runway as a Southwest flight was taking off. The employee is a 13-year veteran.

Cleveland Hopkins Airport worker drives across runway just as aircraft takes flight
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/in...s_airport_work.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Is this something that can be classified as a one-off fluke or something that points to poor leadership at CLE?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:05 am

UA has posted a summer schedule. CLE cut to 48 flights, if I'm counting right.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:34 pm

^what was it last summer?
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 6:36 pm

Quoting greenair727 (Reply 137):

Quoting avnut43:
On Sunday the 17th, before permission was granted to proceed, an airport maintenance employee drove their vehicle across an active runway as a Southwest flight was taking off. The employee is a 13-year veteran.

Cleveland Hopkins Airport worker drives across runway just as aircraft takes flight
http://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/in...s_airport_work.html#incart_m-rpt-1

Is this something that can be classified as a one-off fluke or something that points to poor leadership at CLE?

I would go with one off fluke seeing as there is generally not much departing traffic at midnight.
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:16 pm

Looks like DL's Sunday service to MCO didn't even make it through the few flights in April...zeroed out for all of April per the weekly update thread. Hard to believe a reliable airline could not fill up a plan on that route once weekly vs. the LCC's.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:46 pm

http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...y&utm_campaign=ccl-weekly-20160124

A Crain's Cleveland reporter apparently took an Ultimate Shuttle demo flight from BKL to MMU, as she hinted at last week. She's full of praise for the flight and the airline and predicts Ultimate will charge somewhat less that the UA/AA/DL $800+ round trip fares to EWR and LGA when service begins. Ultimate once expected to begin service in March, although "spring" is now the word used. Chicago (I guess Ultimate is flipping coins over Midway or Chi Executive) will be next.

It will be nice to see BKL back in the passenger business.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:46 pm

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 141):
Looks like DL's Sunday service to MCO didn't even make it through the few flights in April...zeroed out for all of April per the weekly update thread. Hard to believe a reliable airline could not fill up a plan on that route once weekly vs. the LCC's.

It's not just CLE, it looks like MCI, MEM, BDL, PIT, and BNA all got that Saturday seasonal MCO cut in April. These were strange adds to begin with by Delta. You'd think a Saturday seasonal to someplace like NAS would be better, higher yields and no competition.

I was hoping with AA pulling down CLE-PHX that CLE-LAX might have been part of their LAX expansion. Doesn't look like that will be the case right now. But with NK and now F9 on CLE-LAX I could see AA's reluctance to jump into that route.
 
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 10:17 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 138):
UA has posted a summer schedule. CLE cut to 48 flights, if I'm counting right.

I count 52 on July 11th, 19 of those as mainline noted in () below. The point to point 50 seater routes of DCA, LGA, BOS, MKE, and STL make up 20 departures. Cheap fuel is probably still keeping many of these going, but I'm sure these 20 departures will be continually whittled away by next summer. AA starts 3x daily DCA this spring and B6 goes up to 3x BOS. WN starts STL in June. AA and DL already offer good LGA schedules.


July 11th, 2016 UA schedule from CLE (mainline in parentheses)
ORD 10 (6)
LGA 6
EWR 5 (4)
DCA 5
BOS 5
IAD 4
IAH 4 (1)
DEN 3 (2)
SFO 2 (2)
LAX 2 (2)
STL 2
MKE 2
MCO 1 (1)
LAS 1 (1)


The IAH number really stands out to me. Talk about gutting a route to a hub. 757s were common on this route just 2 years ago, now you get an ERJ.
 
greenair727
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:36 pm

Quoting lakeeffect:
]The IAH number really stands out to me. Talk about gutting a route to a hub. 757s were common on this route just 2 years ago, now you get an ERJ.

Indeed. WIth cheap oil, UA may be cutting back on IAH (though it is its hub for Mexico), at least according to this article a friend sent me today:

http://e-spaces.eu/?p=10611#.VqUWJQVx8FV
 
ncflyer
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:25 am

My impression on CLE and IAH--- once the merger went through, more westbound traffic went through DEN and ORD, greatly reducing the need for Houston east/west connections-- it is very far out of the way. ClE has more seats to Denver on UA than pretty much any city east of the Mississippi save i believe Atl, Bos, Lga, and the United hubs.
 
masseybrown
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:37 am

Quoting lakeeffect (Reply 144):
I count 52 on July 11th,

I used June 13th; UA seems to be pushing it's schedule out only a couple of months at a time. I'll revise my count to 49 (as opposed to 54 last summer). Differing from yours, in my count I got:

BOS-3
LAX-1

UA in their conference call said oil-related traffic in IAH is down 40%, another factor to consider in the CLE-IAH reductions. Shale gas and oil-related cuts on this end probably account for some of the CAK losses, too.
 
lakeeffect
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:28 pm

DL is adding more mainline flights at CLE. One of the DTW frequencies goes to mainline on June 1st. The previously announced mainline frequency to MSP goes to 2x mainline also on June 1. I checked a bunch of random dates and the equipment is quite variable. I noticed some MD80, A319, and 717 flying these new mainline routes.
 
masseybrown
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RE: What's Going In CLE - Part 12

Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:31 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 147):
Differing from [lakeeffect's], in my count I got:

BOS-3
LAX-1

Now ua.com is showing BOS-5 and LAX-2 for Jun 13th as some weeks ago. My error? UA's posting error? :-|

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