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AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:21 pm

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/American%20Airlines-active-md80.htm

Appears that the total MD82/83 fleet is now down to exactly 100 aircraft.

Assume the next aircraft will leave very shortly?

For comparison, the following are the figures for the other short-haul aircraft in fleet:

B738: 262

A319/320/321: 352

[Edited 2015-12-03 04:26:05]
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:36 pm

With the lower oil prices in the last year, has this had any effect on AA retiring the aircraft?

For example keeping them in service longer?
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):

The plan always was 96 by end of 2015. I don't think oil has any impact given AA is still taking all of the new deliveries replacing them.
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:22 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
With the lower oil prices in the last year, has this had any effect on AA retiring the aircraft?

For example keeping them in service longer?

While it might result in them extending life slightly, just in case they don't get enough planes in the fleet when they need them, I doubt it will significantly. The biggest reason to keep older, paid for, fully depreciated planes around is to save on acquisition costs. The new AA (actually, the old AA) has such a significant cash pile, that acquisition cost just isn't an issue for them. Might as well take the fuel savings and greater fleet flexibility.
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:16 pm

If I recall correctly, they plan to finish the MD80 phase out by the end of 2017, which means retiring 4 of them a month. The mix of 738s and A319/320/321 will give them greater efficiency and flexibility. Sad for a rabid Mad Dog fan to say, but it's the facts.

The 757s should be around longer, does anyone know when they'll be gone?

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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:17 pm

Who is picking up all the ex TW MD-83's? Looks like most of them had their original door tags dated 2001. One would think DL might be interested.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:19 pm

Remember when 100 of any plane made it the most common plane in an airline's fleet?
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:24 pm

Sad to hear, seems like there's a lot of life left in them. I recently flew on a 24 year old MD80 at Delta and it felt like a new plane.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 6):
If I recall correctly, they plan to finish the MD80 phase out by the end of 2017, which means retiring 4 of them a month.

I think they are being retired by the end of 2018. The chart AA showed that people use to determine their retirement year is showing the number of planes at the end, not beginning of the year- so at the end 2017 they will still have some MD-80s.

Quoting DLdiamondboy (Reply 7):
Who is picking up all the ex TW MD-83's? Looks like most of them had their original door tags dated 2001. One would think DL might be interested.

The newest MD-80 is a 1999 build. I'm sure some will be picked up for parts, but I'm pessimistic about DL putting them into service. Most of the newer TWA MD-80s are still operating, but are quickly approaching 20 years old or will be when they are retired.

[Edited 2015-12-03 12:43:25]
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:51 pm

Are there any other carriers still with large units of the MD80s type?
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:02 pm

Quoting nema (Reply 11):
Are there any other carriers still with large units of the MD80s type?

Delta has 116 (became largest operator in the world this year), Allegiant has 52 and that is it in terms of other operators with large MD-80 fleets. I think all other operators have less than a dozen each.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:09 pm

I wonder what the ratio of TWA to AA MD80s is now? It seems like every time I look up now and see an AA MD80 coming in, I'll look it up on FR24 and it's a TWA jet. Seems like they are holding onto the newest ones the longest....which makes sense.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 13):
Seems like they are holding onto the newest ones the longest....which makes sense.

They still have some old original AA ones flying. For example N488AA was delivered around 1988 and it's still flying.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:31 pm

There's about 4 or 5 1986 models hanging around.

I'm sure some one, like a start up, fire tanker, charter, etc will pick up the TWA Planes that are still relatively young in Douglas years.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:01 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 15):
I'm sure some one, like a start up, fire tanker, charter, etc will pick up the TWA Planes that are still relatively young in Douglas years.

Yes, but with the worldwide fleet dwindling the costs to maintain those relatively young in Douglas years MD-80s are going to start going way way up.

Much smarter to buy older A32Xs and 737NGs that are going to become available as the Neo and Max start entering service.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:55 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 3):
With the lower oil prices in the last year, has this had any effect on AA retiring the aircraft?

For example keeping them in service longer?

There's some FAA airworthiness directive regarding MD-80 fuel system that has to
be completed by the end of 2017, that's the reason AA will retire the fleet by then.

I guess DL doesn't think the price to comply is too expensive but evidently AA does
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:22 pm

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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 15):
will pick up the TWA Planes that are still relatively young in Douglas years.

That line made looking at airliners.net worthwhile today. Thx.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting 321neo (Thread starter):

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/American%20Airlines-active-md80.htm

Appears that the total MD82/83 fleet is now down to exactly 100 aircraft.

Assume the next aircraft will leave very shortly?

For comparison, the following are the figures for the other short-haul aircraft in fleet:

B738: 262

A319/320/321: 352

Some of these Airbus birds are old US airways air frames. How many of them will be retired as well?
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:13 am

Wow, if AA buys any more A320 family frames, that will become their new MD-80.

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Quoting cosyr (Reply 7):
Remember when 100 of any plane made it the most common plane in an airline's fleet?

Yep.   .

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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 1:50 am

I love flying on the MD-80's, but it seems lately that every flight I have on them experiences a mech delay. Usually, its on the order of about 30 minutes...just long enough for the tech to come on and sign off on the MEL, but its still a delay. I would honestly say that has happened on the last 4-5 Mad Dogs I have flown on...and I fly them a lot btw AUS-DFW.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:04 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 15):
I guess DL doesn't think the price to comply is too expensive but evidently AA does

DL's entire MD80 fleet is MD88s, which might change things.
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:07 am

This is an odd question, but now that the 727 is history and the MD-80 will soon be history, are there any planes left in service that have passenger seats/rows BEHIND the last exit door?
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:11 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 19):
Some of these Airbus birds are old US airways air frames. How many of them will be retired as well?

The 2015 AA fleet plan, announced in January, stated that 8 A320s would be retired by end of year, leaving AA with 55 of the type. No 319 or 321 retirements were included in the plan.

The same plan stated that AA would end the year with 96 MD-80s.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:36 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 1):
With the lower oil prices in the last year, has this had any effect on AA retiring the aircraft?

For example keeping them in service longer?

To this point, I don't believe there's been any indication. Which is too bad, because the high oil prices in the early 2010s were the driver for pushing the retirement forward.

Quoting DLdiamondboy (Reply 5):
Who is picking up all the ex TW MD-83's?

From my research: Bravo Airways, Kam Air, Insel Air Aruba, Airfast Indonesia, Everts Air, World Atlantic, among others I believe. IMO, Aeronaves TSM, Erickson Tanker, and PAWA Domincana look like they would be candidates down the road.


Quoting TripleA (Reply 12):

They still have some old original AA ones flying. For example N488AA was delivered around 1988 and it's still flying.

   I flew N480AA and N472AA in recent months. Both planes almost 28 years old and in fine shape.

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 11):
I wonder what the ratio of TWA to AA MD80s is now? It seems like every time I look up now and see an AA MD80 coming in, I'll look it up on FR24 and it's a TWA jet. Seems like they are holding onto the newest ones the longest....which makes sense.

I've taken some AA MD trips this year (ORD-TPA x2, ORD-AUS, ORD-DFW-TUS), and from my observation (and looking through the active list), it appears the original AA aircraft still outnumber the TW jets. Also, some younger late '90s TW jets have already been retired. Really too bad these are not being added to the large MD88 fleet in ATL.


Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 15):
There's some FAA airworthiness directive regarding MD-80 fuel system that has to
be completed by the end of 2017

Do you have a link regarding this alleged AD?

Quoting cosyr (Reply 6):
Remember when 100 of any plane made it the most common plane in an airline's fleet?

A little bit off topic, but which airline/aircraft combination was the first to exceed 100 examples? I'm guessing ___ airline and the 727? How about 200 aircraft?

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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:14 am

N948TW was either donated or retired and purchased and is now back in the TWA twin stripe reverse colors. I was looking at some pics and it looks pretty cool, like brand new.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:18 am

Quoting DDR (Reply 22):
This is an odd question, but now that the 727 is history and the MD-80 will soon be history, are there any planes left in service that have passenger seats/rows BEHIND the last exit door?

CRJs and ERJs do.

Also, remember that the last exit door is the tail stairs on the MD-80.
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:20 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):


DL's entire MD80 fleet is MD88s, which might change things.

Doesn't change a thing. Just has EFIS that ended up becoming standard on the other models, and AA's newest 83 is 7 years newer than DL's newest 88.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:24 am

They will be missed, but their time has come. And I've heard again from pilot neighbor that ORD will be the last Mad Dog base and ORD-DFW will be the last flight in 12/17. Again, this is from an AA employee, so take it with a grain of salt. This is of course ORD is still a hub then (other thread), not reality.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:33 am

Quoting cloud4000 (Reply 18):
Some of these Airbus birds are old US airways air frames.

Most of them are... ~284 of them to be exact.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:57 am

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 25):
N948TW was either donated or retired and purchased and is now back in the TWA twin stripe reverse colors. I was looking at some pics and it looks pretty cool, like brand new.

It's a very cool story. Cheers to folks that made this happen.  
Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
Quoting DDR (Reply 22):
This is an odd question, but now that the 727 is history and the MD-80 will soon be history, are there any planes left in service that have passenger seats/rows BEHIND the last exit door?

CRJs and ERJs do.

Also, remember that the last exit door is the tail stairs on the MD-80.

What about the MD-90?

Quoting UA444 (Reply 27):
Doesn't change a thing. Just has EFIS that ended up becoming standard on the other models, and AA's newest 83 is 7 years newer than DL's newest 88.

   Plus it's been noted on these forums that the final MD83s were basically built to MD-88ER spec.

Quoting globalcabotage (Reply 28):
And I've heard again from pilot neighbor that ORD will be the last Mad Dog base and ORD-DFW will be the last flight in 12/17.

Would they not have to accelerate the retirement schedule even further for that to be the case? Either that, or park the final 34 all at once and eat the capacity loss for a few months.
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 4:34 am

Quoting rta (Reply 29):
Most of them are... ~284 of them to be exact.

I believe the implication was the old HP A320s...
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:21 pm

Quoting trnswrld (Reply 11):
I wonder what the ratio of TWA to AA MD80s is now? It seems like every time I look up now and see an AA MD80 coming in, I'll look it up on FR24 and it's a TWA jet. Seems like they are holding onto the newest ones the longest....which makes sense.

Are the ex TWA 80's owned or leased

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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:58 pm

I don't think there are any planes to get rid of anymore A320s right now. All the old old (ex Braniff II) A320s have left the fleet; except for a small handful of planes from ~'94-'96 they are from 1998 and beyond.
 
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RE: AA Down To 100 MD-82/83?

Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:21 pm

Quoting DDR (Reply 22):
are there any planes left in service that have passenger seats/rows BEHIND the last exit door?

Depends how you look at it, but the A380 on the upper deck...

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