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Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:28 pm

I've recently noticed that Allegiant blocks most foreign IPs from accessing their website, I am not aware of any other airlines that does that.

Are there any other example that does the same and what is the purpose of that? Wouldn't it loose lots of potential businesses by doing so?

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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:37 pm

I would guess that while it costs them some revenue, they don't want to spend the money making their site more hack-proof. It's short-sighted if that is the reason, but I've seen airlines do things like that before. For example, I know of airlines that wouldn't accept credit cards with a foreign address because Revenue Accounting thought the fraud rate was too high. It's kind of a "forest for the trees" situation.

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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:46 pm

For those who are unaware what IPs are, the original post is talking about blocking people from accessing allegiantair.com from outside the U.S.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:47 pm

I also imagine that the majority of the routes G4 flies wouldn't be that popular with a non-US citizen (nor would there be much likelihood of said citizen knowing who G4 is). Not worth their time to make their res systems accept foreign currency and/or compliant with foreign regulations.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:50 pm

I'm trying to book a G$ flight from BIL to LAX, since they don't want my business, I'll just have to fly with someone else.

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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 4:55 pm

I seen this before, daft, I also use a VPN service so I am able to appear to be in any country on the planet, don't have that problem now.  
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:00 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I would guess that while it costs them some revenue, they don't want to spend the money making their site more hack-proof. It's short-sighted if that is the reason

It's very, very short-sighted from a security perspective given that dedicated hackers could just piggyback on an already-compromised system in the U.S. or use some sort of proxy service.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:25 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I would guess that while it costs them some revenue, they don't want to spend the money making their site more hack-proof. It's short-sighted if that is the reason

It's very, very short-sighted from a security perspective given that dedicated hackers could just piggyback on an already-compromised system in the U.S. or use some sort of proxy service.

Agreed, but at least from the reporting it appears that most hacking "originates" from outside the USA. Perhaps there are some policies in place among USA providers to make DDOS, for example, harder to implement. I don't know enough about it, but with virtualization of IPs on the surface it appears to be pointless. Perhaps they can sue USA providers for damages if they host a DDOS attack, but not foreign?

With G4 flying more mainstream routes it would seem like a dumb policy. I'm sure it didn't help Hawaii.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:59 pm

Perhaps they're being kind: sparing foreign visitors from the flying Allegiant...   
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting LittleFokker (Reply 3):

I also imagine that the majority of the routes G4 flies wouldn't be that popular with a non-US citizen (nor would there be much likelihood of said citizen knowing who G4 is). Not worth their time to make their res systems accept foreign currency and/or compliant with foreign regulations.

From what I understand G4 cities close to the border pull a lot of Canadian tourists. I know if you go to GFK a few hours before a G4 flight there are a lot of Manitoba registered cars pulling into the lots.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:03 pm

So if I want to fly on them, what else can I do? Me as Dutch is also denied access.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:18 pm

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 10):
So if I want to fly on them, what else can I do? Me as Dutch is also denied access.

You can contact your travel agent or call Allegiant at (702) 505-8888.

But Allegiant doesn't offer much benefit to non-U.S. travelers since their bread and butter is small U.S. cities to large vacation destinations. If you're trying to go AMS-LAS, you're not going to fly AMS-ORD-ATW on AA or UA, then switch to G4 on an entirely separate reservation for ATW-LAS.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:26 pm

Quoting YLWbased (Thread starter):
Are there any other example that does the same and what is the purpose of that? Wouldn't it loose lots of potential businesses by doing so?

Very common practice for many businesses around the world. In some instances, merely maintaining a website that is routinely used for purchases by residents of a given country can be deemed as offering goods and services in the stream of commerce in that country, thus subjecting the business to all sorts of foreign regulatory requirements. To avoid potential legal hassles, Allegiant likely prefers to simply block non-US residents from purchasing tickets.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
For example, I know of airlines that wouldn't accept credit cards with a foreign address because Revenue Accounting thought the fraud rate was too high.

It's not because of fraudulent bookings being traveled on, but rather that fraudsters would make mock bookings on airline websites to ensure a particular stolen card was still good to use.

Once they ensured the card was valid, they'd sell the number on the black market. Stolen card numbers have a lifespan typically measured in hours, and this was the quickest way to test a card's validity prior to selling it.

But the "spoiled inventory" had a cost, and that's why cards with foreign addresses were typically blocked.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):
Very common practice for many businesses around the world. In some instances, merely maintaining a website that is routinely used for purchases by residents of a given country can be deemed as offering goods and services in the stream of commerce in that country, thus subjecting the business to all sorts of foreign regulatory requirements. To avoid potential legal hassles, Allegiant likely prefers to simply block non-US residents from purchasing tickets.

   This is most likely the reason and not anything to do with hacking.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:56 pm

No problem accessing the website and booking flights here in Southern Alberta.

Most people I know going to Las Vegas or Phoenix use Allegiant out of Great Falls or Kalispell. As long as there is not a long lineup at the border, it is quicker to drive from YQL to GTF, than it is to drive to YYC.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:19 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 11):
You can contact your travel agent or call Allegiant at (702) 505-8888.

But Allegiant doesn't offer much benefit to non-U.S. travelers since their bread and butter is small U.S. cities to large vacation destinations. If you're trying to go AMS-LAS, you're not going to fly AMS-ORD-ATW on AA or UA, then switch to G4 on an entirely separate reservation for ATW-LAS.

There are a few Allegiant routes that are popular with foreign tourists.

For example, using Allegiant between LAS and FAT saves a traveler 7 hours of driving in order to see both Vegas and Yosemite. At Fresno the tourists either rent a car or board the YARTS bus to the National Park.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:22 pm

G4 is prepping a new website release. Apparently in that process this issue arose. I don't know the details from an IT perspective but that's what we're hearing internally.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:01 am

Quoting avek00 (Reply 12):
Very common practice for many businesses around the world. In some instances, merely maintaining a website that is routinely used for purchases by residents of a given country can be deemed as offering goods and services in the stream of commerce in that country, thus subjecting the business to all sorts of foreign regulatory requirements. To avoid potential legal hassles, Allegiant likely prefers to simply block non-US residents from purchasing tickets.

Could it also be to simplify security requirements by basically ensuring that all passengers are either citizens or residents and will have uniform forms of ID?
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:15 am

I'm guessing you can book through an online agent... Try searching the flights on kayak.com (for example... Others are available!) and see if you have any luck
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:26 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
I would guess that while it costs them some revenue, they don't want to spend the money making their site more hack-proof.

The thing is, anyone who wants to "hack" them knows how easy it is impersonate with a US IP.

Before Netflix came to Australia, officially 5% of Australians had subscribed to Netflix using VPN or other smartDNS services that made them pretend to be in the US. It's really trivial to do so.

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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:19 am

Quoting YLWbased (Thread starter):

I've recently noticed that Allegiant blocks most foreign IPs from accessing their website, I am not aware of any other airlines that does that.

Are there any other example that does the same and what is the purpose of that? Wouldn't it loose lots of potential businesses by doing so?

Try booking at Skyscanner.com.

In the upper right corner you will find a drop down menu which lets you choose the country of booking origin and the currency of choice. You might be able to fool the search engine as long as the search engine does not forward you back to the airline's website.

It is interesting how the choice of airline, different prices, etc. sometimes change when your country of origin changes. Not always the case but clearly, some airlines yield manage based upon which booking channel (country) is being used.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:49 am

Blocked from Norway too. Well, now I'll never fly them. Not that there was much chance in the first place.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:54 am

I'm sure you can book them from Canada. They have many cross border travelers to BLI, Plattsburgh, Grand Forks, etc.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting spinkid (Reply 23):

I'm sure you can book them from Canada. They have many cross border travelers to BLI, Plattsburgh, Grand Forks, etc.

You are correct that allegiant.com can be accessed from Canada. In fact, G4 runs ads on Canadian TV stations that encourage those in Canada to make the drive across the border to save on airfare.

Given the state of airfare and airport taxes in Canada, it shouldn't surprise you that G4 does huge business in border cities. They'd be foolish to turn them away if they can get a higher yield than American travelers while still saving them significant money over the likes of AC and WS.
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:09 am

Quoting bgm (Reply 8):
Perhaps they're being kind: sparing foreign visitors from the flying Allegiant...

Well, I certainly wouldn't want the rest of the world thinking that American airline pilots always take off without knowing if the destination airport is still open!
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:37 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 7):
With G4 flying more mainstream routes it would seem like a dumb policy. I'm sure it didn't help Hawaii.

I work at a Waikiki hotel and I have helped many foreign guests that have luggage with Allegiant bag tags. Many of the addresses were from Europe, so they must have a way to book on Allegiant.
 
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:37 am

Interesting. I made a booking with them from the UK earlier this year with no issues and now can't access their website. Not a great loss as my experience with them hardly had me wanting to come back for more, but if you find yourself in an obscure part of the US and want to get to LAS they are quite handy!
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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 2:02 pm

It's a shame that they want to block foreign users from accessing their site.

I was in LAS last month and toyed with the idea of using G4 simply to get a ride on a Mad Dog, alas I didn't have the funds at the time and now while I'm planning my next trip I can't see what they have on offer, I guess I'll have to try AA instead.

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RE: Allegiantair Blocks Overseas IP

Sun Dec 06, 2015 3:08 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):

There are a few Allegiant routes that are popular with foreign tourists.

BIL has such limited service, making G4 very popular among tourist.

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