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British Airways B767-300ER G-BNWS Withdrawn.

Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:16 pm

http://www.thebasource.com/british-a...rways-b767-300er-g-bnws-withdrawn/

22 years old, good news there are still another 17 on the books.
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 12:36 pm

I flew on her last year LHR-MAD

I flew on her sister WX on Saturday, STO-LHR, she looks tired. I guess it's time to get in as many BA 767 flights as we can before they all go.
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:19 pm

Can I suggest setting up a "BA Aircraft Retirement" thread, otherwise we will have a new thread each time an aircraft leaves the fleet.
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:48 pm

Quoting skairbus (Reply 2):
Can I suggest setting up a "BA Aircraft Retirement" thread, otherwise we will have a new thread each time an aircraft leaves the fleet.

            This!
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:54 pm

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
22 years old, good news there are still another 17 on the books.

Unfortunately there aren't another 17 at all, there are just 5 long haul configured and 7 short haul configured making a total of 12.
On present plans none of the long haul planes will last past August 2016 with BA, and all the short haul ones will disappear during 2018.
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:03 pm

Flight24 is reporting that BA 744 G-BNLW that was withdrawn from use on 5 November and then ferried to CWL for parts recovery was ferried to RAF Lyneham at lunchtime today (7 December). Does anyone know why?

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/g-bnlw/#8326017
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Think it'll go to Kemble for scrapping, not Lyneham.
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting skairbus (Reply 2):

That is a fab idea
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:45 pm

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 7):
That is a fab idea

   In fact, could be have a separate thread for B777, A330 etc scrapping then all related info can be found under one source.
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:31 pm

Quoting skairbus (Reply 2):

Can I suggest setting up a "BA Aircraft Retirement" thread, otherwise we will have a new thread each time an aircraft leaves the fleet.

   definitely good idea.

Maybe a "BA Aircraft Retirement" and "BA Aircraft Deliveries", alternatively one "BA Aircraft Deliveries and Retirements"
Oh and due to last couple of years "BA oops I left cowling open, wingtip hit building and engine blew up thread  "BA Aircraft Repairs" - sorry just joking as serious matter and thankfully no one badly injured or worse (except G-BNLL)....G-VIIO, TBC.

So just 5 long haul, 7 short haul 763s and 40 744s left now. I see Kemble got a 2nd BA 744 today, has BNLZ been scrapped yet?

Talking about deliveries G-GATR finally flew to LGW last Friday,
 
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RE: British Airways B767-300ER G-BNWS Withdrawn.

Mon Dec 07, 2015 7:41 pm

Quoting skairbus (Reply 2):
Can I suggest setting up a "BA Aircraft Retirement" thread, otherwise we will have a new thread each time an aircraft leaves the fleet.

There is already a 767 thread if you really want to consolidate:
767 Fleet/Subfleet Retirement Plans (by hkcanadaexpat Jun 5 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Note: I'm just pointing out as a favor/enthusiast. By all means keep up the BA specific thread if you so wish.

Quoting andy33 (Reply 4):
On present plans none of the long haul planes will last past August 2016 with BA, and all the short haul ones will disappear during 2018.

That was informative. Thank you. I felt worth repeating.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 8):
In fact, could be have a separate thread for B777, A330 etc scrapping then all related info can be found under one source.

Please keep them separate! I couldn't imagine if the 777 and A330 scrapping threads were combined what it would be like.   


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Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:53 pm

Coincidently enough BA 66/67 LHR-PHL went from 763>772 starting on 12/5
 
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RE: British Airways B767-300ER G-BNWS Withdrawn.

Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:22 pm

this is a cool video of G-BNWB landing a Cambridge for maintenance today. does anyone know when this bird will retire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHVLRitYUjc
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:23 pm

Normally the 767 is my favorite bird across the pond, but I flew this bird LHR-BWI in May, and I have to say good riddance. That was one tired airplane inside. Confidence wasn't helped when the cabin crew announced they had to shut off the IFE before takeoff to ensure we 'had enough power' for takeoff - something that hasn't happened on any of my other 4 BA 767 flights.
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 10:24 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 10):
Please keep them separate! I couldn't imagine if the 777 and A330 scrapping threads were combined what it would be like.

Sorry - that's what I meant - separate threads for the scrapping of each modern type, not all types lumped into one thread, that would degenerate quickly into another A v B war of words.
 
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Mon Dec 07, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting CV990A (Reply 13):
and I have to say good riddance.

My thought exactly on BA767 4 years ago in Club World cabin - was iterally falling apart (flew intra-European).

Quoting TC957 (Reply 14):
not all types lumped into one thread, that would degenerate quickly into another A v B war of words.

That is, you'd rather get two threads to quickly devenerate into A vs B  ...
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 6:04 am

Quoting Gazdon121 (Reply 12):
this is a cool video of G-BNWB landing a Cambridge for maintenance today. does anyone know when this bird will retire

BNWB is a shorthaul 767 and is currently due to go at the end of the Summer 2018 timetable once enough A320/321 neos have arrived.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:34 am

In Asia, most carriers successfully operate wide-bodied aircraft on short-haul routes.
Why not in Europe - or for that matter in the US ?
BA for example surely could make good use of a few 777's on euro trunk routes at peak times as all the new 789's come in on long-haul to free them up.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:46 am

I have often thought that the 3 772 G-ZZZA/B/C would be ideal candidates for conversion into some sort of euro configuration to provide passenger and cargo lift on domestic and euro routes.


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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:22 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Thread starter):
22 years old, good news there are still another 17 on the books.

They are quite the loudest B767s on Earth, by quite some margin. I remember them when they arrived as Landor but these aircraft are OLD, G-BNWA is the oldest aeroplane BA have ever flown I think? 26 years and 7 months of flying.

Quoting Cornishsimon (Reply 18):
I have often thought that the 3 772 G-ZZZA/B/C would be ideal candidates for conversion into some sort of euro configuration to provide passenger and cargo lift on domestic and euro routes.

Far too big, the B757 was too big against EZY and the A320 series, the B777 would be even less competitive. Frequent daily heavies on Euro routes are restricted to Turkish Airlines in the main with the A330, not sure even KLM fly the A330 in Europe. It's the same in Asia, Singapore and Thai are being nibbled to death with airlines taking market share flying smaller aircraft more frequently. Also, in terms of stand availability for domestics with no bussing, MAN is ruled out, EDI would be OK, GLA doesn't have a B777 stand on the domestic pier but they can use the international pier now too.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 17):
In Asia, most carriers successfully operate wide-bodied aircraft on short-haul routes.
Why not in Europe - or for that matter in the US ?
BA for example surely could make good use of a few 777's on euro trunk routes at peak times as all the new 789's come in on long-haul to free them up.

Most carriers don't some do. Unless you are using Malaysia and Thai as examples of the way forward? Air Asia have a few but they're mainly deployed mid to long haul. Singapore and Cathay also do but are also seeing margins and market share eroded by new airlines flying B737s and A320s. BA would be turning the clock back decades by employing 20 year old hand me downs from the long haul fleet against easyJet, Eurowings and all. Never going to happen, not productive enough.

Quoting bluesky73 (Reply 9):


[Edited 2015-12-08 03:46:22]
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:23 am

Quoting CV990A (Reply 13):
Normally the 767 is my favorite bird across the pond, but I flew this bird LHR-BWI in May, and I have to say good riddance. That was one tired airplane inside. Confidence wasn't helped when the cabin crew announced they had to shut off the IFE before takeoff to ensure we 'had enough power' for takeoff - something that hasn't happened on any of my other 4 BA 767 flights.

They actually said that? Surely they could have come up with some other excuse!
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:45 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
Never going to happen, not productive enough.

Yes and no. its not that simple. Airports that are slot constrained and where slots are uber expensive to purchase, the economics of A320/B737 won't work in the long term. You need bigger planes that carry more people/cargo and make more money to justify the value of the slot you are paying for.

Case and point is LHR where you see airlines that are operating slots with single aisle (SAS/AF/Etc...) selling their slots to airlines that will be flying wide bodies (US/middle east/etc). that's the direction the economics are going for such airports. you don't see it the other way around.

Now expensive slots airports are not yet numerous. You think of LHR/PEK/PVG/HKG to start off. Certainly in those three Asian airports, wide bodies are the norm for some domestic/regional routes to deal with slot constraints (and obviously volume).

So i think there is case for wide bodies out of LHR for BA intra-Europe. Certainly to key cities such as the ones currently served by the 767s. Even more so, every day that goes by and that LHR's slots get more and more expensive. Perhaps its more a 767/787 situation than a 777 but nonetheless.

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:08 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 21):
So i think there is case for wide bodies out of LHR for BA intra-Europe. Certainly to key cities such as the ones currently served by the 767s. Even more so, every day that goes by and that LHR's slots get more and more expensive. Perhaps its more a 767/787 situation than a 777 but nonetheless.

From a pax perspective increasingly not, as the A320 fleet gets densified seating, and more (equally dense) A321s arrive. I've been a TAM A321 with (I think) 220 seats on it, which if BA replicate it, is creeping closer to the B767 shorthaul capacity. From a freight perspective, possibly. I can certainly envisage B788s doing a European rotation in between Long Haul, but I don't see a dedicated fleet of short haul wide body aircraft.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
G-BNWA is the oldest aeroplane BA have ever flown I think? 26 years and 7 months of flying.

Didn't some of the B741s get up to 28/29 years? OK, I know the first four years of their life they weren't strictly speaking BA aircraft......
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:12 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 21):
So i think there is case for wide bodies out of LHR for BA intra-Europe.

BA have explicitly stated the contrary. The B767s are going, they are being replaced by narrow bodied A320s. Where cargo lift is needed it's handled on a once daily run from MAD with an IB heavy and now HEL with Finnair heavies. There is no business case for BA operating wide bodied aircraft within Europe in that market. It's not the same as Asia, compare and contract the service levels if you disagree. It's a planespottersb dream to see BA B777s at UK domestic destinations (I too would love that) but it's not going to happen, IAG have said so, there are no medium term plans to do so, quite the contrary. We might even see an Aer Lingus A330 on LHR -DUB going forward but comparing Europe to Asia here is looking at Apples vs Pears.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 21):
Certainly to key cities such as the ones currently served by the 767s.

The only B767 destinations are cargo heavy and passenger light on the non peak return, flying more seats and more cargo is not the answer. btw we're only talking about ATH, ARN, IST, LCA, MAD, GLA, EDI
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:21 pm

Quoting steve6666 (Reply 22):
I know the first four years of their life they weren't strictly speaking BA aircraft......

They were also parked up for over a year with BOAC as the pilots wanted a lot more money.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):

Indeed they are very loud, from an outside perspective, inside you wouldn't know the difference to any other plane in my opinion.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 23):

EI A330? That is a rumour going around, but I think it's a dead cert....
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:08 pm

You might see the 788 in the future in Europe but I think the 320 Neo will be the norm.
True I've heard the rumours about the A market 777 but it is too much plane for Europe, domestic routes etc.
All high density cargo hauls with the 767 will be replaced by 321.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 21):
Case and point is LHR where you see airlines that are operating slots with single aisle (SAS/AF/Etc...) selling their slots to airlines that will be flying wide bodies (US/middle east/etc). that's the direction the economics are going for such airports. you don't see it the other way around.

You do see it the other way. However new short-haul operations from recently obtained slots do not usually generate much if any publicity.

British Airways undoubtedly have more experience and knowledge of both the long- and short-haul LHR markets than any other airline. They are planning to retire their small fleet of seven short-haul configured 763s by December 2018. These aircraft are scheduled to be replaced by single-aisle Airbus aircraft.

It is certainly true that SK have recently sold two prime timed slot pairs for large sums to address certain financial issues. One of these slot pairs is now operated by TK with a twin-aisle aircraft. It is also true that as the London-Paris flight market has declined with the operation of the city centre to city centre Channel Tunnel rail service. So AF has transferred prime slot pairs to DL to operate trans-Atlantic flights. But see also below.

The above examples are, however, numerically small in number compared to the total LHR slots that do change hands.

As a single example BA purchased six daily slot pairs from BD just prior to when Lufthansa Group put BD up for sale. They announced this purchase on 23 September 2011 giving it rare publicity:

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1609466&highlight=

In the above BA said:

'The slots will be used by British Airways from late October 2011 with the airline looking to expand both its longhaul and shorthaul network at the airport.'

I believe that five of these daily LHR slot pairs were used for short-haul expansion using single aisle Airbus aircraft. These new short-haul flights probably included the restoration of an LHR-ORY service. I think the single new long-haul flight using one of these six slot pairs was when the previous LHR-GRU-EZE flight was replaced by direct LHR-GRU and LHR-EZE flights at the start of the Winter 2011-12 Timetable. However BA never made a specific announcement as to exactly how they used any of these six daily slot pairs.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:51 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 17):
BA for example surely could make good use of a few 777's on euro trunk routes at peak times as all the new 789's come in on long-haul to free them up.

Over the years BA (BOAC & BEA) operated a variety of large capacity aircraft on LHR short-haul routes:

- VC10
- B707
- L1011
- B757
- B763
- B744

The reason these aircraft have been replaced by BA's A320 family is the careful balance BA requires between (1) Total Operating COST and (2) YIELD generated per seat.

Though one would argue that slot pressures force BA to higher capacity aircraft, the airline actually continues to introduce smaller capacity aircraft in the European environment. The reason is that smaller aircraft FORCE a higher yield and therefore higher profits at the lowest operating cost.

Most airlines are not in the business of carrying as many passengers as possible. Airlines operate to maximise profits for their shareholders.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
not sure even KLM fly the A330 in Europe.


In the 1970s, KLM operated 3x daily 244-seat DC8-63 on AMS-LHR. Later these services were replaced by 2x daily A310 and B763. With the introduction of the A332 and A333 KLM stopped operating widebodies on scheduled European routes, for exactly the same reasons as BA. The desire to be profitable.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 2:33 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 19):
Most carriers don't some do.

I presume you have visited the main Far East airports to see for yourself.
On a typical day recently, at PVG there was CI 77W, KE 77Wx 2, NH & JL 772 / 788.
At NRT, CI 744, OZ 772, MU 77W, BR 77W, KE 77W / 772.
At HKG KE 748i / TG 380 / CI 744 / BR 744. Let alone all the regional CX services on 744/77W. I could go on.
Not to mention all the 332 / 333's.
So it works there so why not here or in the USA.
What strikes me is that this frequency over capacity argument is detriment to precious slot availability at LHR.
I can hear the response now. Business people demand high frequency. Well yes, I'm sure they'll just as well demand direct service to those places BA would love to serve but can't because there's no suitable slots because there's A319's going every hour or two to the same places.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:07 pm

As I have said, the economics might not be there for widebodied EU flights, but I will seriously miss those B767s on on the BA ATH-LHR-ATH route. So much more spacious than those cramped A320's! There is from what I see only one flight a day in the winter with the type and none in the summer. So A320 it is for my next LHR-ATH flights!

[Edited 2015-12-08 07:08:12]
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting CV990A (Reply 13):
Normally the 767 is my favorite bird across the pond, but I flew this bird LHR-BWI in May, and I have to say good riddance. That was one tired airplane inside. Confidence wasn't helped when the cabin crew announced they had to shut off the IFE before takeoff to ensure we 'had enough power' for takeoff - something that hasn't happened on any of my other 4 BA 767 flights.

Cabin systems draw power from the engines, you'll typically lose air conditioning and other non-essential systems just before departure to ensure that the power the engines are producing is in the form of thrust. It's a bit weird that they'd tell you this though.

Bear in mind that a multitude of factors go into deciding how much power is used for take off, overall load, fuel, weather conditions etc, if you depart LHR, 09R/27L is about 800ft shorter than 09L/27R so even this would factor into a take off roll calculation. 767's can be quite clingy on the asphalt.

It happens all the time, even on smaller aircraft like the A320.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:35 pm

Quoting RIX (Reply 15):

My thought exactly on BA767 4 years ago in Club World cabin - was iterally falling apart (flew intra-European).

A couple of years ago the cabins were indeed in an embarrassing state. As was the case back then with several types at BA, along with the 734 and some 32Ss. Since then though the shorthaul 767's have all been refurbished and are quite nice rides now!

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Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:53 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 28):
The reason these aircraft have been replaced by BA's A320 family is the careful balance BA requires between (1) Total Operating COST and (2) YIELD generated per seat.

Yup, when LHR became all B757/B763 at the expense of the B734s the red ink flowed rather faster than before.(Just ignore the A320s, they only had TEN back then)  
Quoting TC957 (Reply 29):
I presume you have visited the main Far East airports to see for yourself.On a typical day recently, at PVG there was CI 77W, KE 77Wx 2, NH & JL 772 / 788.
At NRT, CI 744, OZ 772, MU 77W, BR 77W, KE 77W / 772.
At HKG KE 748i / TG 380 / CI 744 / BR 744. Let alone all the regional CX services on 744/77W. I could go on.
Not to mention all the 332 / 333's.

Been to NRT, KUL, SIN, HKG. Tell me, which way is the market heading? I did word that badly I do admit. Let me try again, that old model is being nibbled to death by smaller nimbler competitors. Also, PVG-HKG is a lil further than LHR-BRU, PVG-ICN is hardly LHR-ATH, as I said earlier, there are differences in these markets, which means what works in Asia, and less so as time goes on, won't work for most carriers within Europe. I also listed likely exceptions where cargo drives use of a heavy on one rotation a day, ie AY and IB at LHR.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 29):
Well yes, I'm sure they'll just as well demand direct service to those places BA would love to serve but can't because there's no suitable slots because there's A319's going every hour or two to the same places.

No because you've concatenated two different things there. If BA want to fly LHR-FRA they need to match LH on frequency or give up. So you can do what you need to remain competitive in the market or leave. The whole business case for the A380 was predicated on airlines flying bigger aircraft from slot constrained hub,s however the airlines learned to put the aircraft in place to serve the market, and use of the larger aircraft i.e. A388 vs B77W appears not to have panned out in favour of the VLA.

If it was such a great idea in Europe, to beat the likes of easyJet and Vueling, why aren't Lufthansa flying A332s instead of dumping everything non FRA/MUC out to Germanwings and Eurowings? Because narrow bodies at frequency and at lower cost are the absolute basics of remaining competitive in this market.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:32 pm

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 32):
the shorthaul 767's have all been refurbished and are quite nice rides now!

In my case, it was a longhaul one, with Club World cabin sold as Club Europe, operating FCO-LHR (FCO lounge was also a mess, in the middle if renovation  ). Nice to hear though the shorthaul ones were refurbished, as I still may have a chance to catch one.
 
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Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:17 pm

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 20):
They actually said that?

Yep - they actually said that. My wife looked at me with raised eyebrows after that announcement.

Quoting kdhurst380 (Reply 31):
depart LHR, 09R/27L is about 800ft shorter than 09L/27R so even this would factor into a take off roll calculation.

I don't remember it being a warm day, but I'm fairly certain we departed off 9R, so that might have played a part in it. Thanks!
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Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:37 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 17):
In Asia, most carriers successfully operate wide-bodied aircraft on short-haul routes.
Why not in Europe

Frequency is more important in Europe. Quite a few bilaterals in Asia have frequency restrictions and markets like China often have huge areas reserved for the military, which makes fewer flights with widebodies more efficient. Asia also has many high-demand over-water markets like HKG-TPE and HKG-MNL that don't have any counterparts in Europe.

London-Paris once had a lot of widebody service, mainly BA L-1011s and AF A300s, but that ended when the Eurostar high-speed train service began.
 
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RE: British Airways B767-300ER G-BNWS Withdrawn.

Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:43 pm

Quoting RIX (Reply 15):
nd I have to say good riddance.

My thought exactly on BA767 4 years ago in Club World cabin - was iterally falling apart (flew intra-European).

   Would have to agree with this sentiment. I've flown on 4 different BA 763 longhaul segments to other continents and the most recent time was less than a year ago. In all instances, the aircraft were falling apart on the inside. Two of my four segments my IFE didn't work at all and in a third segment it technically worked but there were screen issues; one segment from central Asia back to LHR we were delayed 4 hours because of avionics (FMS) problems; one segment to BWI the toilet was leaking urine into a 1-inch deep puddle that passengers were forced to step into unless they wanted to use another washroom; and in all instances the cabins were dirty.

Nothing against BA personally but they've done a craptastic job of keeping their 767's up on the inside for their passengers. I say this after comparing their 763's to DL's fairly decent 763 renovations, where the experience is night and day. AC, UA and AA aren't great but I've also had much better recent experiences with their 763's.
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RE: British Airways B767-300ER G-BNWS Withdrawn.

Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:14 pm

Now BA's long haul 763s fell into two groups in recent years. One group of 7 planes wasn't refurbished and all had left the fleet by January this year. The other group, also of 7 planes, had a refurbishment which is believed to have been paid for by Boeing as part compensation for 788 delivery delays. This group is now also being withdrawn as 789s arrive and a general fleet reshuffle takes place.
I suspect that many of the bad experiences recorded by posters were on board planes in the first group,which did remain in service well past their sell by date because the 788s arrived even later than anyone expected. Now with about 8 months left, no doubt the five remaining (refurbished) planes are on borrowed time. Obviously they can't be compared with Delta's renovated planes - many of Delta's birds are a lot newer and they intend to keep them for several more years, so spending more on them is well justified, and their refurbishments are much more recent as well.
There are also the 7 shorthaul 763s which escaped the "densification" that happened over the past year to the Airbus shorthaul fleet.

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