Longest RJ Flights By Aircraft Type And Airline

TheRedBaron · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:23 pm

Quoting 76794p (Reply 72):
I did IAH-MEX on their E-190 in March of 2014. Really comfortable. I fell in love with the aircraft then

I flew the up leg (MEX-SAT on the 190, really confortable but the 135 is HELL.

TRB

ua900 · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 60):
And to think I almost booked this segment just to log an E175...it was the A319 and that was unbearable, I can't imagine an E175.

E75s are almost the same as the A319 from a customer experience perspective. It's the CR2 and CR7 type of plane that can be hell if the plane is fully loaded and the route is long enough.

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 58):
3 hrs on a 50 seater is a bit much. I've seen the bathroom line up to exit row before a ERJ-135.

Low cost hospital wards are safer, quieter, more comfortable and have better service than the UA 764. 4 bathrooms for 203 people in coach on a 10 hour flight. Fun when one or two of them go tech. Both aisles crammed with people heading up from Y and down from Y+ and then service carts are making their way up and down for beverages and meals.

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 55):
In Europe they are so rare, last year I managed to fly the Eastern Airways ERJ-135 from SOU-LBA, it was such a treat! The 3 across config is excellent, having a window and aisle seat all to yourself. I remember people on the flight baffled by how small the plane is, I guess everyone in Europe is so used to the 737/A320!

There's a lot less express type flying to Europe. More likely to offer trains or buses, no one is offering TXL-HAM and same basic reaction to express equipment as the Dash 8 from TXL-KGD or VIE-KSE, wow it has propellers

Quoting RJ321 (Reply 86):
I would say FlyDubai and their flights to Bratislava and other Eastern European cities from Dubai with 737s. The flights can easily exceed 6 hr. Also, Ethiopian fly their 737s from ADD to TLV and BEY non stop.

Then you can add CM 737s on routes like SFO-PTY or PTY-MVD / EZE at 7.25 - 7.5 hours

BoeingGuy · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting rbavfan (Reply 90):
Hasn't United done IAH-IAD in an RJ.

I remember reading that CO did BFL-IAH on an ERJ145.

N1120A · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:44 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 4):

AC sends the ERJ on YYZ SEA and EWR YYC.

Totally confusing to say that for the 190. That plane is very, very comfortable.

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 8):
Between that and the longhaul AC flights mentioned above Star Alliance should be on trial for crimes against humanity.

The AC flights are very comfortable.

Quoting PEK777 (Reply 10):
I thought he meant ERJ135/145. The bigger ones are fine, but UA's flagship would be brutal on a route like that

Actually, the 135/140/145 - especially if you get the single seat side - aren't bad rides. The CR2 would be mental.

ua900 · Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 102):
I remember reading that CO did BFL-IAH on an ERJ145.

CO did a lot of routes like that a couple years before the merger, always trying to save a buck. Glad it's back on the CR7 / E75. BFL is a great example of an airport that benefitted from the emergence of the E75, as are places like BUR.

DariusBieber · Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:18 am

UA used to do CR7s between SAT-SFO, about 1,400 nm direct (usually around 1,500 nm planned). It's currently mainline with B739 and A320s though.

[Edited 2015-12-09 16:19:10]

mastermis · Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:25 am

AC's YYZ-GCM on an E-Jet has got to be up there in mileage?

jb1087xna · Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:14 am

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 33):
Longest CRJ-200 flight I ever did was OO SLC-XNA. Wasn't too bad as there were only 13 pax on plane. Probably why it was short lived.....

I've been hoping DL will bring back XNA-SLC, but NOT on that model.

RWA380 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:26 am

Quoting steex (Reply 42):
It doesn't really matter so long as you use the same units for direct comparison.

Agreed, the issue is, not everybody does & several times I've been corrected when posting mileages, that I need to post in nautical mileage vs statute miles for the sake of consistency. Just passing it along.

jrfspa320 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:40 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 68):

Yes it was flown with the Avro RJ when cobham had the route, I think it made a tech stop on the outbound however, maybe LEA?

dbo861 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:43 am

Quoting b727fa (Reply 81):

Way back in the 90's AmericaWest Express flew a 200 PHX-DSM 1,200-ish miles.

This was operated by a CR2 as recently as 2 years ago. At least one of the daily flights.

katwspotter · Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:03 am

AA (ZW) will be bringing back PHL-MCI-PHL on a CRJ2 next month.

zeke · Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:38 am

Quoting jrfspa320 (Reply 109):

Before National Jet TAA and Ansett WA used to have alternate services, TAA with the 727, and Ansett WA with the Bae146. The fuel stop in Learmonth I seem to recall only happened when the route was flown counter clockwise as Christmas Island required to have a non-remote island alternate (the runway is around 1000 ft above sea level in the middle of the ocean, almost always with low cloud due to orgraphic lifting) which usually was Jakarta. Cocos Island is flat, you can come down real low without hitting anything. Flown clockwise I seem to recall the flight was direct from Perth, however during cyclone season they did sometimes stop at Learmonth on the way to uplift more fuel, and if Perth had fog or cold fronts forecast a stop was also made on the return leg.

They were very long overwater legs for a RJ.

Viscount724 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:17 am

Quoting mastermis (Reply 106):
AC's YYZ-GCM on an E-Jet has got to be up there in mileage?

Up to a few hundred miles shorter than several other AC E190 nonstops.

YYZ-GCM 1,463 nm

YYZ-SEA 1.791 nm
EWR-YYC 1.757 nm
YUL-YYC 1,628 nm
YOW-YYC 1,559 nm

RWA380 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:44 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 113):
YYZ-SEA 1.791 nm

1822 nm YYZ-PDX on an AC CR9.

afcjets · Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:57 am

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 93):
Exactly how are we classifying "RJ" here ? Just the 50-seaters, or all the way up to E195 ?

I am leaving it to the aircraft manufacturer where they put RJ in the full name of the aircraft type and where it stands for regional jet (which I realize is a subjective term but again I leave that to the ac manufacturer).

[Edited 2015-12-09 21:00:06]

b747400erf · Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:00 am

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 70):
flew AM embraer 135, from SAT to MEX... not again EVER... Rather drive... yep 23 hours, those seats were designed by satan himself.

Maybe Satan is a short guy and doesn't care about a small seat and little legroom? You're giving him an unfairly hard time!

flyinggoat · Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:00 am

My longest, by distance, was ORF-IAH on an ERJ-145XR, and was 1201mi.

My longest, by time, was GSP-IAH on an ERJ-145 (non XR, iirc). Not super far, but strong headwinds meant it took over 4 hours. We had some turbulence along the way, but the pilot said climbing above it would burn too much fuel. He also said we may have to divert to MOB for fuel, but we made it to IAH with 15 minutes of fuel left before reserves.

AMIKI · Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:35 am

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 100):
a) CRJ's - all models (100/200/700/900/1000) - same seat widths/configuration
b) ERJ's - all models (135/145)
c) Avro's - all models
d) 328's - both prop and Jet models
e) EMB 120
f) ATR's - all models (42/72)
g) Q Series/ DHC - (100/200/300/400) (DHC's)
h) Beech 1900
i) Antonov 24
j) Dornier 228
k) Fokker 50/60
l) Xian M60's
m) Pilatus P12
n) SSJ100
o) EJet E170/175 but not 190/195 (just an opinion)

p) Saab 340 / Saab 2000
q) Beechcraft
r) Britten-Norman Trislander
s) ...
and many more...

Airontario · Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:56 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 114):

1822 nm YYZ-PDX on an AC CR9.

To my knowledge Jazz has never operated PDX from YYZ. AC has always operated PDX from YYZ, so the smallest aircraft would've been the E190.

afcjets · Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:23 am

Quoting AMIKI (Reply 118):

I didn't realize there were so many, not sure if they all have RJ in the full name so maybe that is not the best determination. I flew the Beechcraft 1900 in 1993 and the 1900D a few years later (and the fact that you could actually stand up in the 1900D made it 100 times better), and they were both props, have they changed to jet engines now??

northstardc4m · Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:49 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 120):

Quoting AMIKI (Reply 118):

I didn't realize there were so many, not sure if they all have RJ in the full name so maybe that is not the best determination. I flew the Beechcraft 1900 in 1993 and the 1900D a few years later (and the fact that you could actually stand up in the 1900D made it 100 times better), and they were both props, have they changed to jet engines now??

They haven't and they aren't Regional Jets... Regional AIRCRAFT sure, but not Regional JETS.

My list...

These are the definate RJs:

CRJ-100/-200
ERJ-135/140/145
DO328JET
YaK-40

These are the grey area RJs:
CRJ-700/900/1000
EMB170/175/190/195
BAe146/Avro RJ
Fokker F.28/F70/F100
SSJ100
YaK42

Problem with the "grey area" ones is they can get into the range of the 737-500/600, 717, A318/319... which we don't consider RJs at all. Not to mention the DC-9-10, BAC 1-11, 737-100/200, even 727-100... I mean the line gets really blurry.

I tend to lump all the CRJs in the RJ category since they are just stretched CRJ100 frames in basic terms, but the rest I lump into the small jet category.

The following are TURBOPROPS, not Regional Jets (yes yes a turboprop is a jet driving a prop... not the point):
Dash 8 series (inc Q400)
ATR42/72
Fokker 50 (and 60, 27)
Saab 340 and 2000
Beech 1900 series (plus 99, 1300, king air, etc)
EMB-120
and so on...

and these, are not jets, period!
Cessna 402/404
Islander/Trislander
etc

afcjets · Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:01 pm

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 121):
These are the grey area RJs:
CRJ-700/900/1000
EMB170/175/190/195

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 121):
Problem with the "grey area" ones is they can get into the range of the 737-500/600, 717, A318/319... which we don't consider RJs at all.

When an aircraft maker names a jet CRJ-1000 and ERJ-190 and the RJ in that name stands for Regional Jet, I don't consider that a gray area considering they made and named the jet. Besides, no two regions are the exact same size and there will likely never be a consensus on what range constitutes a regional jet when you are borrowing and trying to interpret the name from the aircraft maker.

jetblue1965 · Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:02 pm

Quoting afcjets (Reply 122):

When an aircraft maker names a jet CRJ-1000 and ERJ-190 and the RJ in that name stands for Regional Jet, I don't consider that a gray area considering they made and named the jet. Besides, no two regions are the exact same size and there will likely never be a consensus on what range constitutes a regional jet when you are borrowing and trying to interpret the name from the aircraft maker.

How would you classify the C-series then ? CS100 doesn't have "RJ" anywhere in its name, but it very much competes in the E90/E95 space.

afcjets · Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:53 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 123):

I am just making the point I am not going to second guess the aircraft manufacturer and that I did not create the term regional jet or RJ. I think what happened is the name RJ stuck early on, so they decided to continue using it for marketing reasons. There was probably also politics at play because obviously the legacy airlines love to outsource as much flying as possible and where it makes since to lower paid affiliate pilots, and over the years we have seen legacy pilot unions budge on the size restriction of jets to be flown by affiliates (not to imply they did not gain in other areas). In that regard and from the airline's perspective, it couldn't have hurt to have those 50+ seaters named and referred to as Regional Jets.

Not everyone will agree on what that name means but here are some suggestions others might use to define these types of jets:

First I think we could all agree a "regional jet" must be powered by a "jet" engine. To a simpleton like me, that means no external, unenclosed propeller blades.

Any jet under 100 seats or 100 seats and under
Any jet under X seats
Any jet under X seats in all Y configuration
Any jet with range below 2000 miles
Any jet with range below 1750 miles
Any jet with range below X miles
Any jet with no greater than 2x2 seating in Economy (fortunately the Concorde was not considered Y class)
Any jet flown in the US (not trying to be US centric just less familiar with airline affiliate relationships in other countries) by an affiliate carrier. Using this criteria, do even AA, UA, and DL agree?

I am sure people can come up with more definitions too. I also wouldn't be surprised if the CEOs of Embraer, Bombardier, AA, UA, DL, LH have not reached a consensus on what defines a Regional Jet.

[Edited 2015-12-10 13:25:31]

AV8AJET · Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:07 pm

EV has a few lengthy CR9 flights for DL:

ATL-BJX 1289NM

DTW-SAT 1215NM

Some other past flights included:

ATL-MBJ/BZE/GCM

DTW-MTY

Viscount724 · Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:19 am

Quoting Airontario (Reply 119):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 114):

1822 nm YYZ-PDX on an AC CR9.

To my knowledge Jazz has never operated PDX from YYZ. AC has always operated PDX from YYZ, so the smallest aircraft would've been the E190.

Next summer's seasonal YYZ-PDX service is also shown as E190 in AC schedules.

miaskies · Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:17 am

AA: below routes are 2:25hrs and above

all 175/170 routes I have worked as a flight attendant. I must say passengers really like these routes and prefer the upgauge in service from ERJ145 or CRJ. They love the 2-2 congfiguration in economy, and the new AA 175s with wifi, 3 rows of MCE etc are a hit.

MIA-FDF
MIA-PTP
ORD-SLC
ORD-IAH
ORD-DEN
ORD-ABQ
ORD-SAT
PHL-IAH
PHL-YHZ
DCA-EYW
CLT-PLS
LGA-MSP
LGA-STL
LGA-XNA

debonair · Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:14 pm

OFFICIAL winner by the 2015 RAA Annual Report:

http://www.raa.org/?page=Industry_Statistics

Longest RJ Flight by Distance: LAX-MSP SkyWest CRJ700 1536sm
Longest RJ Flight by Time: LGA-DFW Endeavor CRJ-900 249min
Longest Non-Jet Flight by Distance & Time: SUN-LAX 696sm 157min

Airontario · Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:35 pm

Quoting debonair (Reply 128):
Longest RJ Flight by Distance: LAX-MSP SkyWest CRJ700 1536sm

AC/QK flight IAH-YYC on the CRJ705(900) which is 1,750 sm, and can be anywhere from 3:45 to 4:10.

rlwynn · Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:10 pm

airBaltic DH4 RIX-BRU 894sm.

BoeingGuy · Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:50 pm

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 130):
airBaltic DH4 RIX-BRU 894sm.

QX did a DH4 on LAX-LAP. It was 837 sm.

I've done FAT-SEA on a DH4 also, which was tolerable with QX's free beer.

Viscount724 · Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:51 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 131):
Quoting rlwynn (Reply 130):
airBaltic DH4 RIX-BRU 894sm.

QX did a DH4 on LAX-LAP. It was 837 sm.

Porter Airlines starts once-a-week Q400 seasonal service YTZ-MLB (Melbourne, Florida) next week. Operates on Saturday only from December 19 to April 30. That's 1,073 miles (932 nm). Block time 3:10.

GRJGeorge · Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:37 am

SA Express the following 1000+miles:
CPT-HDS (Hoedspruit, SA) with CR2 mostly and sometimes DH4 - 1000 miles
JNB-FBM (Lubumbashi, DRC) CR2/CR7/DH4 - 1001 miles
DUR-LUN (Lusaka, Zambia) CR2 - 997miles

ProFlight also does DUR-LUN with CR1

Airlink operates ERJ135:
CPT-SZK (Skukuza, SA) 997 miles
CPT-MUB (Maun, Botswana) 1008 miles start in March'16
JNB-APL (Nampula, Mozambique) 1041 miles
JNB-POL (Pemba, Mozambique) 1206 miles
JNB-TNR (Antanarivo, Madagascar) 1328 miles ...usually AR8, but sometimes ER3

jrfspa320 · Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:03 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 112):

Yes long over water route, but not ETOPS ? Interestingly the arvo would be exempt from ETOPS anyway

crj200faguy · Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:39 pm

In March 2005 Nwa did msp-tus on crj200. 1298 miles

My longest flight gate to gate on 200 was bos-mem 5:32.

Wayfarer515 · Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:48 pm

Gazpromavia´s SSJ100 flies nonstop from EYK-KRR, a total of 1457nm

kgaiflyer · Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting Airontario (Reply 129):
AC/QK flight IAH-YYC on the CRJ705(900) which is 1,750 sm, and can be anywhere from 3:45 to 4:10.

Already mentioned twice (Reply #24 and Reply #64).

Apparently quite a few of us have taken that flight -- maybe because it has meal service.

jetmatt777 · Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:31 pm

Quoting steex (Reply 42):

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 40):
I think many here use nautical mileage when talking miles, PDX-STL is 1484 nm as a reference.

It doesn't really matter so long as you use the same units for direct comparison. At any rate, AS has not announced any E75 routes longer than PDX-STL, so not sure to what route you are referring. Do you know something we don't?

You're wrong. SEA-OKC is 1,519 nautical miles on an E75.

Viscount724 · Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 138):
You're wrong. SEA-OKC is 1,519 nautical miles on an E75.

SEA-OKC is 1,320 nautical miles. 1,519 is statute miles.

afcjets · Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:09 am

Is CLT-DEN the longest E190 route?

longhauler · Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 140):
Is CLT-DEN the longest E190 route?

Not even close.

Viscount724 · Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:29 am

Quoting afcjets (Reply 140):
Is CLT-DEN the longest E190 route?

AC has many much longer E190 nonstop routes, some over 50% longer.

CLT-DEN 1,162 nm

Some of AC's longest AC E190 nonstops:

YYZ-PDX 1,822 nm (seasonal)
YYZ-SEA 1,791 nm
YYC-EWR 1,759 nm
YYC-YUL 1,628 nm
YEG-YUL 1,607 nm
YYC-YOW 1,559 nm
YEG-YOW 1,543 nm
YYZ-GCM 1,463 nm
YYZ-YMM 1,427 nm

afcjets · Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:21 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 141):
Quoting afcjets (Reply 140):Is CLT-DEN the longest E190 route?
Not even close

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 142):
AC has many much longer E190 nonstop routes, some over 50% longer.

I was pretty certain it wasn't. It was the third time I asked what the longest E190 route was and no one answered, so I knew by tossing one out, I would finally get some input

yellowtail · Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:21 am

Quoting crj 900 (Reply 24):
1747 miles on Jazz for AC EXPRESS YYC-IAH CRJ705

I have done this one twice (after UA cancelled my flights) and it was horrible. By the time you fly over Dallas you are about ready to pull your hair out

Viscount724 · Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:32 am

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 144):
Quoting crj 900 (Reply 24):
1747 miles on Jazz for AC EXPRESS YYC-IAH CRJ705

I have done this one twice (after UA cancelled my flights) and it was horrible. By the time you fly over Dallas you are about ready to pull your hair out

Why did you consider it worse than any other narrowbody, especially with the 34-inch seat pitch (more than any AC mainline aircraft) and the same seatback entertainment system as the AC mainline fleet? And no risk of a middle seat.

kgaiflyer · Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 145):
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 144):Quoting crj 900 (Reply 24):

1747 miles on Jazz for AC EXPRESS YYC-IAH CRJ705

I have done this one twice (after UA cancelled my flights) and it was horrible. By the time you fly over Dallas you are about ready to pull your hair out

OTOH, there's a United Club directly across from the AC gate in IAH Concourse A.
I concede that in the 705, with the A and F seats you always have to duck a bit on standing up to avoid a head-bang.

Btw, pmCO's 735s to YYC and YEG were more cramped in the back than the 705, as I recall.

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