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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:39 pm

I have no idea on the start date, rate or number of mod units for the 772A conversion program.

However, here's some info on widebody fleet that may give us a clue:

UA is pulling DXB and BAH service in January, this should release at least 2 772s

788 WiFi/performance updates to be completed in June, would expect 1 or 2 units in mod to complete within that timeline

3 new 789s arriving in Jan, Feb and Mar - These could release a second 788 for mod or help with 772A mod. There are already 2 763s in mod so I'm assuming that would continue. There are also several 763s out for longer routine maint. that could possibly be reduced.

763 2 class mod program has 21 units to complete - 1st and 2nd are in HKG now. I don't know the completion date of the program, but one would expect at least 4-6 weeks per unit, meaning 2 mod lines would mean maybe 1 unit completed every 3 weeks. At that pace it would take into 2017 to complete program.

744 are sked to lose 1 unit in 6/16 and 1 in 8/16.

If 2 mod lines were done with the 772A and they took about 6 weeks each, UA could finish the 10 units within 3 to 4 months.

Let's assume:

2 772s cover 772A program
1 789 covers a second 788 mod line
2 789s left for other purposes

The 772As could be completed by Summer if things go well and start with released 772s From the Middle East cut flying.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:34 am

Quoting b777900 (Reply 42):
WHEN will UA receive there 350's?

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:38 am

Any idea of the new layout of the 28 lie flat? I heard a rumor of 2-4-2 but can't see how this equals out to 28.

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:07 am

Quoting jtamu97 (Reply 53):
Any idea of the new layout of the 28 lie flat? I heard a rumor of 2-4-2 but can't see how this equals out to 28.

Thanks,
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Strongest likelihood of 2-2-2, but reports of potential 1-2-1 as well. We shall see...
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:04 pm

Thanks! Yes always a surprise in these refurbishments!
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:01 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 50):

3 new 789s arriving in Jan, Feb and Mar

789 N66893 Has not flown yet, so it may not make Jan delivery?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:42 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 8):
Showing as of right now, 25 China Southern A-319s and 3 Spirit A-319s .

Update looks like there will be 29 A-319s added now. China Southern for the bulk and 3 or 4 from Spirit,

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 9):
With AA adding a true premium economy, do you think UA will do so on the 77W's, A350-1000 and B787-10's?

Haven't seen final cabin layout yet. A-350-1000 Cabin Design should be frozen by now.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 21):
Commonality is great and weight helps, but I can't believe UA would invest in slimline seats without an increase in seating.
Before the seat numbers were kept constant I believe the following would be considered.
Slim lavs in rear of aircraft

Don't think there is enough rows or space to gain anymore seats. Saw that the NGs might all be getting Slim Lavs, maybe as retrofits ?

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 25):
763: 2 class conversion has begun with one mod line - no date on completion or if added mod lines will begin.

6461 shows completed 31 Dec 2015. 4 more 767s scheduled to be done in April and two more in July. Can't remember if they all will get done in 2016 or 2017.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 27):
As I recall, the FAA said sure go ahead, while EASA said "nope".
But that's been years ago, my recollection may be faulty.

The Koitos are around on some United aircraft. Koito America recertified and is recertifying their seats.

Quoting av8ornta (Reply 29):
Next question- with the LOPA on the 777-300 aircraft being so dense, (60J, 110Y+, 196Y), will this aircraft be too heavy to fly some of the ULH missions previously discussed, i.e. EWR-HKG, EWR-BOM, EWR-DEL?

Don't know.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 50):
744 are sked to lose 1 unit in 6/16 and 1 in 8/16

6/2016 will be 8479 and 8/2016 is going to be 8480. Get your flights and pictures before they're gone.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 55):
789 N66893 Has not flown yet, so it may not make Jan delivery?

N66893, # 893, a 737-900ER, is scheduled for Induction 21 Jan 2016 and # 894, another 737-900ER, looks to be end of Jan beginning of Feb 2016 for acceptance and Induct.

Now 787-9, N17963, # 963 is still scheduled for 21 Jan 2016 delivery and Induct.

#964 and 965 are scheduled for delivery Feb 2016.

#966 and 967 are scheduled for delivery Jun 2016.

A-319 Fleet Induct count up to 29 as above.

757-222 exits 1 in Jan 2016, 1 in Feb, 2 in Mar, and that looks like all the 757-222s will be gone except for the p.s. ones.

# 401 737-900 going in for Scimitars Mar 2016. STC probably as it will be the first.

767-300 2 Class Reconfig has 6461 completed 31 Dec 2015, with 4 more in April and 2 in July.

777-222 2 Class Reconfig scheduled to start Feb 2016.

777 ISP, last one is scheduled to be done in Heavy Check and completed Apr 2016,

A-319/-320 1st Class Seat Replacement and ISP scheduled to start Jan 2016, with 7 A-319s and 12 A-320s to be done in Jan 2016.

Fleet Numbers # 895-900 showing as reserved for 737-900ERs.

United supposedly has taken # 678 and # 680, 737-800s, from COPA. Fleet Numbers reserved are # 532 and # 533. Fleet Entry June 2016 ? COPA # 483 and # 589 also scheduled to be taken from COPA.
6 737-800s might be added in total.

747-400 # 8471 looks to have been sold.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:32 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
Now 787-9, N17963, # 963 is still scheduled for 21 Jan 2016 delivery and Induct.

#964 and 965 are scheduled for delivery Feb 2016.

#966 and 967 are scheduled for delivery Jun 2016.

So there should be 16 or 17 789s on property by the summer then, right? It seems like there is definitely slack in the current schedule. It takes 6 frames to operate LAX-NRT, PVG, SYD, and MEL, and another 5 to operate SFO-TPE, SYD, and TLV (3x weekly). I think that's all that is currently planned in the June schedule, so there seem to still be at least 4 or 5 frames sitting around.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:43 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
6 737-800s might be added in total.

Didn't see this one coming. Nice add. The -800 really seems to be a flexible workhorse in the fleet.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:51 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
Update looks like there will be 29 A-319s added now. China Southern for the bulk and 3 or 4 from Spirit,
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
United supposedly has taken # 678 and # 680, 737-800s, from COPA. Fleet Numbers reserved are # 532 and # 533. Fleet Entry June 2016 ? COPA # 483 and # 589 also scheduled to be taken from COPA.
6 737-800s might be added in total.

Really love UA's aggressiveness here, the A319s and 738s are great aircraft
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:26 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 57):

So there should be 16 or 17 789s on property by the summer then, right?

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:55 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 58):
Didn't see this one coming. Nice add.
Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 58):
Really love UA's aggressiveness here,

Agreed, I'm happy to see UA pick up the used A319s, B73Gs and B738s. Careful acquisition of good pre-owned aircraft augmenting new factory deliveries has worked well for DL and WN and if done correctly I don't see why it couldn't work well for UA too. I hope something good comes out of the 100 seat discussions; if UA could bring on the CS or even the E190/195 in reasonable short order they could end up with a very rounded and very flexible fleet for the foreseeable future.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:57 pm

Are there any A320 with IAE engines on the market?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting jtamu97 (Reply 52):
Any idea of the new layout of the 28 lie flat? I heard a rumor of 2-4-2 but can't see how this equals out to 28.

You can get to 28 with 3 rows of 2-4-2 and 1 row of 2---2 (middle section blocked by closets/galley/lavs).
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:07 pm

Thanks for the fine update CALTECH:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
United supposedly has taken # 678 and # 680, 737-800s, from COPA. Fleet Numbers reserved are # 532 and # 533. Fleet Entry June 2016 ? COPA # 483 and # 589 also scheduled to be taken from COPA.
6 737-800s might be added in total.

Great to see some more fleet additions.
From what I see, the #600 series of Copa fleet numbers are 73Gs.
#679 is already flying at UA as N17753
#680 is already flying at UA as N12754.
#672-678, #681-684, #687-688 are remaining Copa 73G's
Copa has 5 leased 738s that are not 737-8V3 versions. Maybe fleet numbers 557, 559, 564, 565, 567 al 737-86N versions (GE Capital Aviation Services -GECAS) could possibly be 738s to UA??


Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
747-400 # 8471 looks to have been sold.

This 744 was ferried to TUP and expected to be scrapped - great if it finds a new home

73G:
N24715 entered INT 2136/2Jan for WiFi/Scimitars
N38727 exited INT 2137/2Jan with scimitars, no WiFi shown, unit to head to GUM soon.

763:
N668UA exited SFO maint 2184/4Jan

772:
N78013 exited HKG maint 180/3Jan
N77014 entered HKG maint 179/1Jan

[Edited 2016-01-05 15:17:50]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:25 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 64):

This 744 was ferried to TUP and expected to be scrapped - great if it finds a new home

73G:

Most of the planes sold at TUP are sold to the IIRC to the Memphis Group (or some other salvager) who are aircraft salvagers based there who tear them up for parts. Very few planes leave TUP in one piece.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:16 am

532-up are new 737-800's being delivered starting June 2016.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:34 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 64):
From what I see, the #600 series of Copa fleet numbers are 73Gs.
#679 is already flying at UA as N17753
#680 is already flying at UA as N12754.

You're absolutely right. In the leasing aircraft updates they were listed next to the 737-800 slots, Didn't check the N numbers out. There are 6 737-800 slots, with # 532 and # 533 as the first two.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 64):
This 744 was ferried to TUP and expected to be scrapped - great if it finds a new home

Well, could've have been sold for scrap.

Quoting Boeing12345 (Reply 66):
532-up are new 737-800's being delivered starting June 2016.

   Nice. I'll need to check out # 483 and 589, those are probably #751 and 752. These 6 737-800s could be all new, might have read the article wrong.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:30 am

On FT, stated 6 new 738s starting with June 16 deliveries are:
532 - N76532
533 - N76533
534 - N86534
535 - N77535
536 - N77536
537 - N77537
I looked at FAA registry and CO registered these N numbers in 2005, probably to leave room for more 738s.
Anyone know where they are coming from? If new, where is it verified?

73G:
N13718 exited INT 2130/7Jan with WiFi/scimitars
N24729 entered INT 2129/7Jan for WiFi/scimitars

739:
N75428 exited INT 2125/5Jan with slimlines/scimitars

752:
N544UA entered SFO 1152/4Jan, could be for fleet exit

763:
N663UA exited LCQ 2131/5Jan with WiFi/streaming content

E145XR:
N21144 has left ExpressJet in preparation for transfer to TransStates

Q400:
N203WQ and N34NG are possible fleet exits
N356NG confirmed left the fleet (to Flybe)

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:52 pm

United doesn't have any 738's on order from Boeing, only 2 more 739ER's and then the 100 737Max.
If indeed there are 6 738's coming, they aren't new.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:37 pm

Correct my mess,

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
Update looks like there will be 29 A-319s added now. China Southern for the bulk and 3 or 4 from Spirit,

Correction, it will be 28 total, 25 from China Southern, 3 from Spirit, so far.......

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 64):
Great to see some more fleet additions.
From what I see, the #600 series of Copa fleet numbers are 73Gs.
#679 is already flying at UA as N17753
#680 is already flying at UA as N12754.
#672-678, #681-684, #687-688 are remaining Copa 73G's
Copa has 5 leased 738s that are not 737-8V3 versions. Maybe fleet numbers 557, 559, 564, 565, 567 al 737-86N versions (GE Capital Aviation Services -GECAS) could possibly be 738s to UA??

# 751- was HP-1369 (# 669 ?) 737-71Q
# 752- was HP-1370 (# 670 ?) 737-71Q
# 753- was HP-1379 # 679 737-7V3
# 754- was HP-1380 # 680 737-7V3

COPA Fleet Exits, do not know where they have gone yet, maybe United ?
HP-1527- 737-7V3 # 685
HP-1528- 737-7V3 # 686
HP-1529- 737-8V3 # 483
HP-1848- 737-8V3 # 589


Quoting Boeing12345 (Reply 66):
532-up are new 737-800's being delivered starting June 2016.

Showing Boeing Fuselage numbers 5639 and 5970 with 4 more 737-800s to come.

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 67):
   Nice. I'll need to check out # 483 and 589, those are probably #751 and 752. These 6 737-800s could be all new, might have read the article wrong.

# 483 and # 589 are COPA 737-800s, as above......

Boeing showing Fuselage numbers
# 6105 will be UAL 737-900ER Fleet Number # 895
# 6135 will be UAL 737-900ER Fleet Number # 896
# 6164 will be UAL 737-900ER Fleet Number # 897
And it seems that UAL will receive 3 more 737-900ERs # 898, # 899 and # 900,

Could have it wrong again, but this seems correct. Time will tell......
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:47 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 70):
Time will tell......

What is particularly interesting is the lack of fleet updates from UAL from an investor point of view. They have not posted an updated fleet plan for 2016. The most current version is from August which only highlights the EOY 2015 fleet.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:58 pm

Quoting ordbosewr (Reply 71):
What is particularly interesting is the lack of fleet updates from UAL from an investor point of view. They have not posted an updated fleet plan for 2016. The most current version is from August which only highlights the EOY 2015 fleet.

UA generaly publishes a fleet update once a quarter with the earnings release...the last one was published on 10.22.15.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...NoaWxkSUQ9MzA5MDQ3fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

There should be another update sometime this month...
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:05 pm

Will the new J class debut on the 77W? Will it then be rolled onto any existing aircraft especially the 787s which will be around for a while?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:28 pm

Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 150):
CAL -

There is a new center pedestal design that is coming out on the NG to resemble the MAX.

Did you happen to notice if 889 had it as well as the new LED's?

From United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 26.

Acft # 892 was here today and it had a new style center pedestal.Looks like the first one in United's Fleet to have the new style. # 891 had the old style pedestal. Will post pictures later....
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:09 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 72):
UA generaly publishes a fleet update once a quarter with the earnings release...the last one was published on 10.22.15.

Thanks for this.

I guess your post actually means I have a different beef with UA.

If you have a subtopic on your website called "Fleet Information" under investor relations why would one think that is not up to date?!?  http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=83680&p=irol-fleetInfo
The document posted to this page is from August 2015, notwithstanding the file says Q2 2015.

Either way, the information is not easy to find the most current or confusing at best.

My point other point:
Is it typical for UA or other major carrier to not provide any visibility to fleet until within the year? UA still has not published any official plans for 2016, but maybe that is not a huge deal.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:53 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
Now 787-9, N17963, # 963 is still scheduled for 21 Jan 2016 delivery and Induct.

According to Flightaware, this unit has not completed its test flights yet so is it safe to assume it won't make the Jan delivery date?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:44 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 76):
According to Flightaware, this unit has not completed its test flights yet so is it safe to assume it won't make the Jan delivery date?

How long do test flights from Boeing take ? Pretty sure it has become somewhat routine. In the following videos, comments show some of these test flights only being done days before delivery ?

Early morning test flight for "Birthday Girl" Virgin Atlantic's first Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner. I'm sure even Sir Richard Branson himself will be proud of this beautiful new Virgin Atlantic Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner carrying reg. G-VNEW when it delivers later this week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJLdcZ2sOrE

United N28912 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner departs on a customer test flight a few days before being delivered to United Airlines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A6jAZk5tKI
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:18 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 74):
Quoting Barney Captain (Reply 150):CAL -There is a new center pedestal design that is coming out on the NG to resemble the MAX.Did you happen to notice if 889 had it as well as the new LED's? From United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 26. Acft # 892 was here today and it had a new style center pedestal.Looks like the first one in United's Fleet to have the new style. # 891 had the old style pedestal. Will post pictures later....

Old Center Pedestal

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/CALTECHphoto/a_Boeing_737-800_-_Cockpit_zpsio8obtih.jpg

Newer Style Center Pedestal, Fuel Levers replaced by switches, Parking Brake Lever changed

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/CALTECHphoto/20160108_071802_zpsbdqwnbwk.jpg
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 8:54 am

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 76):

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 56):
Now 787-9, N17963, # 963 is still scheduled for 21 Jan 2016 delivery and Induct.

According to Flightaware, this unit has not completed its test flights yet so is it safe to assume it won't make the Jan delivery date?


It had its B1 yesterday, the 8th. Unless glitches show up during testing its very possible to make that delivery date.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:22 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 78):
Newer Style Center Pedestal, Fuel Levers replaced by switches, Parking Brake Lever changed

Wow... after ~fifty years, that's the big change? What even was the point? The fuel control switches look like something I could buy at home depot, and the parking brake lever seems different for the sake of being different.
What gives??
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:40 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 80):

Wow... after ~fifty years, that's the big change? What even was the point? The fuel control switches look like something I could buy at home depot, and the parking brake lever seems different for the sake of being different.

More consistency with the 787, that's all.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:25 pm

B763:
N661UA exited HKG 2140/9Jan in 30BF/49E+/135Y configuration. Nose to tail AVOD, ISP, Ku-band Wifi, winglets installed. Still listed as ship #6461, which will progbably stay as Airbus fleet didn't change fleet numbers when put into uniform configuration.

E175:
N88332 - Entered service on 7-Jan
N82333 - Entered service on 7-Jan
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:42 am

On UA865, I flew one of the three-class 767s with the old IFE in Y (ship 6646), while on UA864, I got a two-class 767 with AVOD in Y (ship 6671). While both had wi-fi and I stayed with the airshow most of the time (and tried to listen to channel 9 to no avail), I do hope UA picks up the pace with refitting Y with AVOD. My return flight to HAM made me appreciate the AVOD.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:57 am

Quoting codc10 (Reply 81):
More consistency with the 787, that's all.

Theres a whole lot more work to do then.

I agree, not much of a point. It's not like the fuel control and parking brake levers are reliability problems.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:35 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 83):

On UA865, I flew one of the three-class 767s with the old IFE in Y (ship 6646

All the 3-class 763s are nose numbers 64xx, two class are 66xx (guess N666UA's number..)Before the merger UA changed nose numbers depending on cabin config, ETOPS equipment, EOW, winglets, etc. That is one thing I'm glad that did stop post merger since it got confusing as hell for spotting (though it probably made it easy for dispatch)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:29 pm

Quoting codc10 (Reply 81):
More consistency with the 787, that's all.

What? No.
Changing the parking brake lever adds zero useful commonality to a 787.
That's like saying you couldn't figure out how to get out of your car, because the unlock button was round instead of the rectangle you're used to.
And engine fuel switches have been like the new-style since, what, 1982? Just not on the 737. So if they were going for commonality, three decades ago would have been an opportune time.
I'm sure there IS a reason, I simply can't decide what it is.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 10, 2016 11:37 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 85):
All the 3-class 763s are nose numbers 64xx

You're right, it's a typo. I meant ship 6446, aka N646UA (which I had typed in correct into my log). Ship 6671 on the return to HAM is correct though. At least now I know how to recognise the two-class 763s from the three-class ones.  
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:30 am

Quoting codc10 (Reply 81):
More consistency with the 787, that's all.

A engine fire now lights up the fuel switches on the 37, another visual cue to fight the fire.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:33 am

Looks like 757/767/777 style

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 86):

I'm sure there IS a reason, I simply can't decide what it is.

I'm guessing the MAX is the reason.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:03 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 86):

What? No.
Changing the parking brake lever adds zero useful commonality to a 787.
That's like saying you couldn't figure out how to get out of your car, because the unlock button was round instead of the rectangle you're used to.
And engine fuel switches have been like the new-style since, what, 1982? Just not on the 737. So if they were going for commonality, three decades ago would have been an opportune time.
I'm sure there IS a reason, I simply can't decide what it is.

It's not a matter of creating useful commonality with the 787 to be advantageous for crews, but instead it seems to be a design/philosophical change on the part of Boeing. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with supply chain, cost or otherwise. The MAX cockpit will have some revisions to align with the 787, and late 737NG incorporate some of these changes as well.

I don't profess to know WHY Boeing made the change, but look at the photo CALTECH posted and look at a 787 center pedestal, and you'll see the similarities.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:32 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 87):
ship 6446, aka N646UA (which I had typed in correct into my log). Ship 6671 on the return to HAM is correct though. At least now I know how to recognise the two-class 763s from the three-class ones.  

Keep in mind UA is no longer changing the second digit after a configuration change. A three class bird converted to two class will retain the same Ship(nose) #.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:43 am

Quoting codc10 (Reply 90):
I don't profess to know WHY Boeing made the change, but look at the photo CALTECH posted and look at a 787 center pedestal, and you'll see the similarities.
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/CALTECHphoto/20150227_090954_zps2tdafwtx.jpg
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:27 am

Guam swaps:
73G
N39726 exited HOU 2139/12Jan enroute GUM, scimitars, seatback content
2nd 73G to GUM on swap. Total 5 73Gs when done.

738
N14249 exited Winston Salem (INT) 2121/12Jan in domestic configuration.
WiFi/scimitars,slimline seats - soon to receive PED

744:
N119UA entered SMN 2132/8Jan, maint 0 expect N105UA to exit XMN soon

752 fleet exit:
N544UA in SFO since 1152/4Jan. Should be fleet exit. Next on the list.
If so, will leave 3 non ps sUA 752s in service.

772:
N793UA exited HKG 804/11Jan from maint.

789:
N17963 - Test flights began Jan 9, delivery slated for 25-Jan
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:42 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 87):
At least now I know how to recognise the two-class 763s from the three-class ones.

Ship # 6461 is a 2 class 767.......
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:11 am

73G:
N21723 entered HOU 2172/13Jan, aircraft prep for GUM operational swap

739:
N66893 test flying priro to delivery later in month.

752:
N544UA ferried SFO-GYR 2131/13Jan, fleet exit
3 non-ps sUA 752 to go

Q400 N342NG possible fleet exit

E145XR N14186 left ExpressJet for transition to TranStates
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:28 am

Roughly how long does it take to install just wifi on say a 737 and/or 767?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:52 am

Narrowbody about a week, widebody about 2 weeks for WiFi.

73G:
Story covered on another thread stating UA to get 30 73Gs.

744:
N119UA exited XMN 2131/15jan, maint

763:
N649UA exited MCN 2135/15Jan after 2 months of maint.
N655UA entered MCN 2200/15Jan, in for WiFi (was sked earlier for WiFi, but cxld)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:10 pm

73G:
N24715 sked to exit INT 2123/17Jan with WiFi/scimitars
N27724 entered INT 2122/16Jan for WiFi/scimitars
N12754 (former Copa) sked to exit MIA 2191/17Jan with WiFi/scimitars

738:
N76526 exited INT 2127/17Jan, doesn't show slimlines

744:
N178UA entered PEK 888/7Jan

763:
N653UA entered HKG 2168/13Jan, 2-class mod process
N660UA entered MIA 2123/26Jan, maint

772:
N211UA entered XMN 2175/9Jan
N212UA entered HKG 2137/8Jan
Outside possibility 211 and/or 212 could be getting new Lie Flat seats
N225UA entered HKG 896/11Jan
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:27 am

Hearing that it will be 6 brand new build 737-800s and 6 brand new build 737-900ERs.

-800s will start being delivered Jun '16 and should all be delivered in a few months.
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