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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:20 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 99):

Interesting. I can only assume they were NTU by another carrier given the short notice?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:16 pm

I wonder if the -800 are the transaero frames they had on order, from what I recall (and admittedly I'm not an expert here) there were some built they couldn't take

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:43 am

N66893 was delivered today. So either there is one more or 13 more to go..      
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:12 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 102):
N66893 was delivered today. So either there is one more or 13 more to go..

Ship numbers 894 to 900 are for -900ERs, and some of them have Boeing fuselage numbers already assigned.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:36 am

73G:
N27734 enroute INT for return to domestic from GUM service

739:
N66893 entered New delivery Induction in SEA 2199/20Jan

744:
N105UA exited XMN 2133/18Jan

753:
N73860 entered MIA 2166/18Jan for ISP

763:
N660UA exited MIA 2123/18Jan, maint

772:
N219UA exited SFO 1284/20Jan after extended out of service with engines removed for spares

E145XR:
N13124 is now flying with TransStates
N13132 has left ExpressJet in preparation for transfer to TSA

[Edited 2016-01-20 23:39:56]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:37 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 103):

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 102):
N66893 was delivered today. So either there is one more or 13 more to go..

Ship numbers 894 to 900 are for -900ERs, and some of them have Boeing fuselage numbers already assigned.

Fleet update shows them adding 14 737s this year...there is not a breakdown in types but sounds like the rumor is correct...9 319s as well.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:54 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 105):
Fleet update shows them adding 14 737s this year...there is not a breakdown in types but sounds like the rumor is correct...9 319s as well.

Many websites show the additions, and one does show more -900ERs (at least 6) with Boeing fuselage numbers, and I believe production serial numbers for these -900ERs. Same with the -319s (so far 28) and -800s (at least 6 more). Add the 40 737-700s into the mix. Some of the -319s, -800s and -900ERs even have their registration numbers already. From what can be seen, it is not a rumor.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:22 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 106):
Many websites show the additions, and one does show more -900ERs (at least 6) with Boeing fuselage numbers, and I believe production serial numbers for these -900ERs. Same with the -319s (so far 28) and -800s (at least 6 more). Add the 40 737-700s into the mix. Some of the -319s, -800s and -900ERs even have their registration numbers already. From what can be seen, it is not a rumor.

Sorry should have been clearer....the fleet update from United shows 14 737s being added this year so very much not a rumor  http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...NoaWxkSUQ9MzIwMDc3fFR5cGU9MQ==&t=1

Looks like in 2016 UA will take:

1 777-300ER
5 787-9
8 737-900ER
6 737-800
9 319-100
40 E175

and will retire:
2 747-400
4 757-200
13 D8-Q400
25 CRJ-700
16 E145
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:26 pm

And the Seattle Times is reporting that UA will not buy C-Series...

http://www.seattletimes.com/business...s-in-3-billion-snub-of-bombardier/
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:29 pm

I still don't understand retiring all these CR7's and keeping CR2's while at the same time buying E175. That is an expensive few extra seats. Don't get me wrong, I will take the ERJ's over CR7's any day, but I would much rather ditch the CR2's.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:56 pm

Quoting Cosyr (Reply 109):
I still don't understand retiring all these CR7's and keeping CR2's while at the same time buying E175.

There are, interestingly, exactly 25 GoJet CR7s in UAX service. These are the only 25 aircraft operated by GoJet for UAX. Maybe the GoJet contract is winding down and that's the reason for the exit? registry.faa.gov says they're all owned by GoJet so United wouldn't be able to hand them to another regional carrier to fly.

On the flip side, the all the CR2s and a lot of the E175s are flown by SkyWest which is a relationship that isn't going to go anywhere any time soon.

[Edited 2016-01-21 08:57:34]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:46 pm

Updated 744 retirement dates published by flight ops.

Tail Number Exit Date
N179UA Jun/2016
N180UA Aug/2016
N182UA Jul/2017
N181UA Sep/2017
N174UA Dec/2017
N178UA Dec/2017
N175UA Q2/2018
N177UA Q3/2018
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:05 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 111):
Tail Number Exit Date
N179UA Jun/2016
N180UA Aug/2016
N182UA Jul/2017
N181UA Sep/2017
N174UA Dec/2017
N178UA Dec/2017
N175UA Q2/2018
N177UA Q3/2018

So, they added two exit's in 2017. I'd guess we'd see a few more in 2018 when the 787-10's and A359's come along.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:29 pm

Quoting adamblang (Reply 110):
There are, interestingly, exactly 25 GoJet CR7s in UAX service. These are the only 25 aircraft operated by GoJet for UAX. Maybe the GoJet contract is winding down and that's the reason for the exit? registry.faa.gov says they're all owned by GoJet so United wouldn't be able to hand them to another regional carrier to fly.

Only it's the OO planes that have been removed from service so far, from what I have seen have ended up in service at the new AA....not the G7 planes

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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:51 pm

Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 113):
Only it's the OO planes that have been removed from service so far, from what I have seen have ended up in service at the new AA....not the G7 planes

That's a humdinger. Reasoning must be "we like E75s that much better and are willing to pay for it" then.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:04 pm

The 6 new build -800s are scheduled for Scimitars and KA band installations Jun - Sept 2016. Imagine this is when they will arrive. Fleet Numbers # 532 - # 537.

The 6 new build -900ERs are scheduled for KA Band installations Oct '16 - Jan '17, imagine this is when they will arrive. These are Fleet Numbers # 895 - # 900.

-700s are scheduled for Slimlines with STCs for UAL Oct '16 and COPA Sept '16, then they go like gang busters.
-700s will be configured 12 / 40 / 72 = 124. Right now it is 12 / 40 / 66 = 118. The GBO based -700s look like they will like the rest of the -700s.


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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:33 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 115):
The 6 new build -800s are scheduled for Scimitars and KA band installations Jun - Sept 2016. Imagine this is when they will arrive. Fleet Numbers # 532 - # 537.

Will the -800s get DTV or just streaming?
For consistency, I am hoping for DTV.

I expect since the 900's are going into the sUA range they will be streaming only, which is fine because that fleet is already iffy which you get.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:48 am

I would guess all new 737s have PDE.

73G:
N13720 sked to exit INT 2122/23Jan with WiFi/scimitars, former GUM unit now domestic, no power showing
N27734 sked to enter INT 2121/22Jan for conversion from GUM ot domestic, aircraft diverted to IAH this evening

788:
N20904 entered PVG 2131/19Jan for WiFi/PDE/performance upgrades
N26909 sked to exit PVG 2133/23Jan with WiFi/PDE/performance upgrades
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:12 pm

Quoting ordbosewr (Reply 116):
Will the -800s get DTV or just streaming?
For consistency, I am hoping for DTV.

I expect since the 900's are going into the sUA range they will be streaming only, which is fine because that fleet is already iffy which you get.

Think both will be streaming only, at least that looks like it right now.

If anyone cares, the -800s and -900ERs are being delivered as -824s and -924ERs.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:14 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 118):
If anyone cares, the -800s and -900ERs are being delivered as -824s and -924ERs.

Does that mean all Boeing orders by UA will carry the old CO customer code, or will there be a different solution like mixed use of the UA (22) and CO (24) codes, or even a completely new code?
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 119):
Does that mean all Boeing orders by UA will carry the old CO customer code, or will there be a different solution like mixed use of the UA (22) and CO (24) codes, or even a completely new code?

I think it will be the old CO customer code for the new -800s and -900ERs. Probably the 40 new build -700s will be built to the -724 configuration also. They already have the -X24 code at Boeing, to make a new -X22 for these new builds would make things a bit more complicated and cost money to do. Believe this is how it will be, though that could change.........

And the 787s are built to a -8, -9 and -10 code, so no -X22s or -X24s for them and the 737-MAX series also will have no 'old' customer codes.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:34 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 120):
I think it will be the old CO customer code for the new -800s and -900ERs. Probably the 40 new build -700s will be built to the -724 configuration also. They already have the -X24 code at Boeing, to make a new -X22 for these new builds would make things a bit more complicated and cost money to do. Believe this is how it will be, though that could change.........

And the 787s are built to a -8, -9 and -10 code, so no -X22s or -X24s for them and the 737-MAX series also will have no 'old' customer codes.

Expect the 77Ws to be 777-324s
789 #14, N17963 shows delivering as UA2187 today.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:42 pm

319 fleet additions:
According to Planespotters, UA has taken 1st China Southern A319 delivery, N889UA leased through AerCap

320:
New F Seats/InSeatPower F/E+
Following aircraft were retrofitted in Lake City FL, 1st completed 1/21/16
N422UA, N457UA, N476UA, N485UA
N416UA Sked to exit SFO 820/31Jan, could have new F seats and ISP but not on united.com yet
N436UA probably in LCQ as of 26-Jan
N487UA entered SFO 423/24Jan, possible new F-seat and ISP install

73G:
N24729 Exited INT 2128/29Jan with wifi and scimitars
N27734 entered INT 2128/25Jan for converstio n from GUM to doesmteic and WiFi/scimitars

738:
N76526 Confirmed w/o slimlines
N33292 entered MIA 1280/23Jan, likely slimline install

739:
N38459 entered INT 2125/28Jan for slimlines/scimitars
N66893 exited SEA Induction, ferry to INT 2123/26Jan for WiFi/scimitars

744:
N107UA entered XMN 2134/5Jan
N197UA entered HKG Jan14

753:
N57862 now shows ISP, had exited MIA 1/19

772:
N212UA exited HKG 2134/29Jan, no sign of new F seats
N213UA entered HKG 2137/30Jan

Q400:
342NG back into revenue service 23-Jan
N34NG back into revenue service 16-Jan
N323NG DEN as of 16-Jan, possible fleet exit or heavy maint
N188WQ - MCI as of 12-Jan, possible fleet exit or heavy maint

[Edited 2016-01-30 09:45:24]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sat Jan 30, 2016 6:04 pm

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 121):
Expect the 77Ws to be 777-324s

Saw 777-322ER as the customer code. Heard it will be 366 passengers too.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 31, 2016 4:48 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 122):

319 fleet additions:
According to Planespotters, UA has taken 1st China Southern A319 delivery, N889UA leased through AerCap

I flew out of DEN this morning and saw an A319 with China Southern markings, titles/logo removed, over by a UA hanger. Assume this is it.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:46 am

N889UA now down in Florida at LCQ, maybe for mod?

Ferried SHE-NRT, NRT-ANC, ANC-DEN, DEN-LCQ
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:54 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 123):

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 121):
Expect the 77Ws to be 777-324s

Saw 777-322ER as the customer code. Heard it will be 366 passengers too.

That's an interesting and unexpected turn of events   
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:22 pm

Quoting fly2lax (Reply 125):

LCQ is where a lot of wifi and mod work has been done so that's no dought what it went in for. Does it still have the Chinese reg or is it now officially N889UA?
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:39 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 127):
LCQ is where a lot of wifi and mod work has been done so that's no dought what it went in for. Does it still have the Chinese reg or is it now officially N889UA?

I haven't been able to get a pic of it, but planespotters shows it with a registration of N889UA effective 26 Jan 2016.
(It was formerly China Southern reg. B-6219)
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:20 am

Hmmmmmmmm,...........

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/CALTECHphoto/20160131_164701_zpsuyrfpjhd.jpg

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/CALTECHphoto/20160131_164623_zpsau3xt6uk.jpg
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:38 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 129):
Hmmmmmmmm,...........

Interesting.... The presence of "CAL" before the "ALA014A" had ruffled some feathers!
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:41 am

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 129):

Hmmmmmmmm,...........

whooops   someone must have lost the stencil for "C"
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:47 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 131):
whooops someone must have lost the stencil for "C"

Or people have been peeling off the initial letter "C" !
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:27 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 130):
Interesting.... The presence of "CAL" before the "ALA014A" had ruffled some feathers!
Quoting United1 (Reply 131):
whooops   someone must have lost the stencil for "C"
Quoting Schweigend (Reply 132):
Or people have been peeling off the initial letter "C" !

Getting ready for a "U" ?.............
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:44 pm

Quoting CALTECH (Reply 133):

I was under the impression that had to be on any airplanes that still had the paper logbook. Once everything is on the SCEPTRE ELB no more need for the "operated by".
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:34 pm

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 132):

Or people have been peeling off the initial letter "C" !

If you look close enough you can see the C used to be there. There are a few very disgruntled ex old UALers out there with an ax to grind. They are mad that CO took away their pension and forced them into ESOP. Or that's at least how they tell the story.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:17 pm

319:
N826UA exited LCQ 2123/1Feb with new F Seats and ISP in F/E+
N827UA entered LCQ 2122/31Jan
N844UA entered LCQ 2120/1Feb
N846UA entered LCQ 2129/27Jan

320:
N413UA extied LCQ 2124/30Jan, don't see ISP yet
N462UA exited LCQ 2196/1Feb, don't see ISP yet

73G:
N16713 entered INT 2120/30Jan for WiFi/scimitars
N21723 exited HOU 2164/1Feb, should be enroute to GUM, was domestic unit.
N38727 entered HOU 2150/1Feb for conversion from domestic to GUM
N17752 exited MIA, but no WiFi or ISP shown

[Edited 2016-02-02 07:22:59]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:35 am

787-9 new delivery:
N17963 exited SEA Induction 2133/2Feb. First revenue flight sked 1030/3Feb IAH-DEN
789 #14, 787 #26. Two more 789s soon.

320:
N424UA, N454UA, N468UA, N475UA all in LCQ, possible new F seats/ISP
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:06 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 137):
787-9 new delivery:
N17963 exited SEA Induction 2133/2Feb.

My very first delivery flight  
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:16 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 137):

787-9 new delivery:
N17963 exited SEA Induction 2133/2Feb. First revenue flight sked 1030/3Feb IAH-DEN
789 #14, 787 #26. Two more 789s soon.

Both 964/65 are on the Flightline at PAE... Just two more 789s to go then wait for the -10.
Will be a busy time with 737/A319s, and one 77W though.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:22 pm

Does anyone think UA might add a couple, five perhaps, additional 77W orders? How many daily flights, assuming most are to Asia, can they get out of 10 77Ws? I was thinking six or seven.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:27 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 140):
Does anyone think UA might add a couple, five perhaps, additional 77W orders? How many daily flights, assuming most are to Asia, can they get out of 10 77Ws? I was thinking six or seven.

There's a rumor that UA is looking to augment the 77W order, but nothing firm or particularly credible.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:04 pm

My guess is they'll end up with 14-16 773s. I'm sure Boeing will deal and 10 is a bit small. They don't need too many though because the A350 is on its way and will serve a similar purpose. I'm surprised that more info on them hasn't come out like serial and line number for the first one.

I kinda would like to see 5/6 77L be added for SYD/HKG.

[Edited 2016-02-03 08:06:05]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:06 pm

I believe the routes assumed were all EWR:

EWR-TLV 2
EWR-BOM
EWR-DEL
EWR-HKG
It looks to me that these would require 9 units with ground times in EWR of 6 to 10 plus hours. There is also a 12+ hour ground time in HKG. I would expect a spare to make it 10.

If EWR-NRT were added, it would take 10 units, but ground times in EWR would be reduced a bit.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 4:24 pm

Quoting UA444 (Reply 142):
My guess is they'll end up with 14-16 773s.

I think that is the right number if you add NRT, PVG, PEK provided the delivery times are quicker and pricing is more advantageous vs. waiting for the A35J.
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:59 pm

Any further news on the 777-200 conversions? I believe those were supposed to be starting this month.

I did find that there are 2x daily 777-200 flights either direction on SFO-ORD showing up in the summer schedule on domestic configured aircraft, which I assume will be the first of the converted frames. I wasn't able to find any other additional flying on domestic 777s beyond the Hawaii flying that has been there for the last few years.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:02 am

Per an email from UAL I received asking some questions, the 773 will be designated as 777-322/ER for anybody that wants to know. It's trivial in the grand scheme of things but nice to see UA customer code in use again. First time since 2002.

[Edited 2016-02-03 18:27:07]

[Edited 2016-02-03 18:27:20]
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:18 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 139):
Both 964/65 are on the Flightline at PAE... Just two more 789s to go then wait for the -10.

Word on the street is that UA has converted at least 1x 787-10 to 787-9 so we may not be completely done with the 9s. Wouldn't be the first time it did that. A lot of flexibility in the contract with booking to switch from one type to the other.
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:52 am

Quoting iahcsr (Reply 139):
Just two more 789s to go then wait for the -10.

Can't wait for the -10. I think this one is really going to hit it out of the park on those routes of 10 hours or less (TATL, USA-South America etc). 100,000 lbs. lighter than a 772ER, adequate range to do almost the same missions, 30,000 lbs. less needed thrust and a handful of additional seats to sell. Should equate to big fuel savings, lower landing fees and a much better bottom line.

http://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compare/777-200ER/787-10/ side-by-side comparison
 
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RE: United Fleet Upgrade Status - Part 27

Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 148):
100,000 lbs. lighter than a 772ER

That's the MTOW, I'm not sure that being 100,000lb lighter in itself is a good thing. I know that the plane is lighter, but it is also a payload hit, isn't it?

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