Article today on Daily Beast. First assertion I have seen as to a cause for the crash. Please delete if this is being discussed elsewhere.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...?via=newsletter&source=DDAfternoon

Can't imagine an electrical failure that would doom the flight to meandering out into the ocean — but power the satellite comms to keep pinging each hour. I never thought the pilots were involved, but this doesn't make much sense either.

This is highly irresponsible reporting.

It's being put forward as fact, whereas it's nothing more than (yet another) educated guess about what happened. The truth is we have no clue what happened to MH370.

I read this and it seemed to make sense to me because the handshake/logons were not evenly spaced apparently. Its supposed to be every hour on the dot. But, we know (I think) that at least one of those was out of place because something caused the electrical system to reboot. The reboot cycles I think they had strong proof of. It seems really unlikely that this would happen due to any pilot action (pulling all the fuses and knocking out the other pilot is unlikely) so it looks like there is some kind of anomaly with the power system. We also know that a few hundred pounds of lithium batteries were in the front hold. Its plausible there is a connection but as you send its barely a working theory.

It did sound like from the other thread, we can also say confidently that the engines ran till fuel exhaustion. Certainly sounds like a ghost flight imo.

DB is a terrible outlet though. Some of their reporting is just junk. Its so bad and biased, I actually took the time to email them once.

So an electrical failure somehow turned the jet around, carefully navigated it through Indonesian airspace, and then took it deep into the southern Indian Ocean. That's amazing. -ir

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 4):

It is however entirely possible, they could have removed the different power sources and packs to isolate smoke.

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 4):

That is the biggest problem I have with any theory without human intervention. The plane came back across Malaysia short of the transfer to Vietnam to the south of problematic Patani in Thailand and then north of problematic Aceh in Indonesia and then made a turn south over the Indian Andaman Islands with no local radar coverage. Too many coincidental threading of the needle.

If this turns to be true, Illl put a statue of PIHERO in my garden. Back in the first 15 or so threads he entertained a failure due to liquid spill or fire in the cockpit that made the flight be almost uncontrollable and then flew without intervention to the middle of the SIO.

The plot thickens...

TRB

Quoting gasman (Reply 2): This is highly irresponsible reporting.

  

The "pilot did it" or alternatively a terrorist did it are still just as plausible as many other valid theories put forward so far. Diego Garcia and somewhere in Asia are not valid.

The lithium ion batteries theory sounds good but you'd have a fire warning long before the radios were knocked out and you'd be talking to somebody because you're looking for a place to land. Say they couldn't talk to anybody and the pilots became incapacitated, the same fire that knpocked out the radios would have also taken out the autopilot and the airplane wouldn't have continued flying for 6+ hours.

Quoting zeke (Reply 5): It is however entirely possible, they could have removed the different power sources and packs to isolate smoke.

Turning off packs is part of the checklist (Smoke, Fire or Fumes) but removing power (except for IFE and Cabin Utility) is not unless you have identified the source.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 7): If this turns to be true, Illl put a statue of PIHERO in my garden. Back in the first 15 or so threads he entertained a failure due to liquid spill or fire in the cockpit that made the flight be almost uncontrollable and then flew without intervention to the middle of the SIO.

Something for the pigeons to poop on?

Were they drinking "flamethrowers" in the cockpit?

A liquid spill was an issue for Rod Taylor in "Fate Is The Hunter" in 1964 but this was not a 1950's airplane. A fire is totally plausible if you can find something to burn but oxygen is your only choice and if you had an Egypt Air event the odds of the airplane flying for another 6 hours are not at all realistic.

MH370 had an electrical failure
MH370 likely had a flameout
MH370 landed in Xinjiang Province
MH370 came down in the 7th Arc
MH370 came down in the 6th Arc
The Captain did it
The First Officer did it
The passengers did it
It came down in the Philippines
Aliens did it
Bomb
Sudden loss of cabin pressure
Catastrophic Structural Failure
Flying low over the Maldives
Flying low over the Andaman Islands
Fishermen saw it
Senior Indonesian military officer knows exactly what happened
Passengers mobile phones were reachable days after the flight
Search area should move 50km West
Search area should move 325km South

As for most people, this tragedy baffles me. I rarely post about MH370, because I just don't know.
I just hope one day we will find out.

Regards.

B8887

Quoting B8887 (Reply 10): I just hope one day we will find out.

The truth is, of course, that it was done by none other than Elvis Presley! He was in hiding in the Petronas Towers for a number of years, and eventually hijacked MH370 together with a band of Scottish and Texan separatists and a Malaysian woman who has a grudge against the KL government after her cat was run over by a train in 1994.

I have this information from a friend of my neighbor's girlfriend's uncle, whose penpal is a Facebook friend of somebody high up in the CIA.

Red your post just made me laugh! A mad cat woman! Lol.

Who knows what happened. It is a great mystery and one that might not be solved for a long time. With all the technology, I am highly suspicious that a 777 can just vanish.

The worst part is for the families and not knowing what happened to their loved ones!

BY

How many times are we going to go over this.....the plane flew through a rip in time and is stuck in the past where the flight keeps reliving the same day over and over again. I heard about this through my MI6 connection who works with a former CIA informant who is married to the cousin of the neighbor of the neice of the sister of the church pastor who has a member of his congregation who is a former member of the Warren commission who was hiding on the grassy knoll in Dallas when Kennedy was shot.

End of mystery.

Thank you Red for being the true voice of sanity ..... you have our total support behind this theory

conspiracy theory

Does anyone know the supplier of 772 electrical feeder harnesses ?

Quoting gasman (Reply 2): This is highly irresponsible reporting. It's being put forward as fact, whereas it's nothing more than (yet another) educated guess about what happened.

Indeed, as per the following

Quote: First, the theory widely advanced in the early days of the disaster that as a first step to make the airplane “vanish” the pilots switched off the transponder. Nobody switched off anything at that moment—it now appears that a power interruption or failure could have disabled the transponder.

Rubbish reporting. It is speculation that the aircrew switched off/did not switch off the transponder. It is presented as a fact (ie 100% certain) that the aircrew did not switch the transponder off.

What is interesting about mysteries is that they either happen for a reason nobody can imagine or, for a variety of reasons, say three that worked together to make it happen....

Could they please pin point the location of the fault? I can not come up with one position in the whole plane that could turn off the transponder, radio and sat phone within minutes, knock out the pilots and yet leave the autopilot and plane controls undamaged or make them do strangely coordinated manoeuvres.

The fact that the plane flew straight and level long enough for all CVR data from the manoeuvre phase to be gone, is another strange coincidence.

Thread of the day! Love it.

Beware cat ladies! I know a few very well and I would never cross them. The love people can develop for cats is limitless because cats are creatures of Elvis. Many cats have amazing voices and are very creative songwriters. They are also amazing airplane pilots and members of the Cat Guild can fly an A380 from SYD to LHR non-stop, using special corridors that are known to pass near the area MH370 was found in. There are too many coincidences here, and the power of the Cat Guild almost matches that of the Angry Cat Lady. If they wanted to, they could build the Death Star.

Same as the Germanwings case - someone in the cockpit wanted the specacular ending.

1.) timing of end communication: switch of frequencies
2.) out of a 360 degree compass that bird flies in the oposite direction to were it is expected
3.) the area it goes down is the one least frequented on earth and a deep ocean
4.) due to variation a simple heading select wouldn't have gotten the bird to that area meaning it is flown there on purpose

Sorry but Ockhams razor...

To describe a title like "MH 370 Had Electrical Failure" as premature is an understatement, but:

Quoting seahawk (Reply 18): Could they please pin point the location of the fault? I can not come up with one position in the whole plane that could turn off the transponder, radio and sat phone within minutes, knock out the pilots and yet leave the autopilot and plane controls undamaged or make them do strangely coordinated manoeuvres.

iirc from early threads, at least the controls for transponders and radios are beside each other on the pedestal, the a/p is in another part of the cockpit. Part of Pihero's theory was also that the pilots would not be both completely knocked out for a time. Btw, how long does the oxygen supply for the crew last?

Quoting seahawk (Reply 18): The fact that the plane flew straight and level long enough for all CVR data from the manoeuvre phase to be gone, is another strange coincidence.

That would be a period of 2 hours? Surprisingly little, imho.
Just wondering: Did they find anything on the CVR from the Helios-Crash, a much shorter flight ?

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 9): A fire is totally plausible if you can find something to burn but oxygen is your only choice and if you had an Egypt Air event the odds of the airplane flying for another 6 hours are not at all realistic.

For a fire, you need a flammable material as fuel and an oxidant (usually oxygen from the air). Oxygen alone, by itself cannot burn (but many insuspicious materials will burn in pure oxygen).
There have been some horrific fires in non-aviation related cases where no flammable material was supposed to be - but was or has accumulated over time. And most deaths by fire are not caused by the actual fire, but by asyphixation from smoke and fumes, that will also remain there when the fire already has stopped due to lack of fuel.

Quoting aerosol (Reply 20): Same as the Germanwings case - someone in the cockpit wanted the specacular ending.

Then why didn't he go for a spectacular ending ?
- Petronas Towers
- a government building in KUL
- the forbidden city in Peking
and certainly some other spectacular targets along the way. But no, this "somebody" did NOT choose a spectacular ending, he chooses to fly into one of the remotest areas of this world until he runs out of fuel.
AND in contrast to all other somebodys, he flies for many hours instead of putting the nose down at the first opportunity.
AND this "somebody" does it without a motive being discovered in 21 months.
Sorry, this theory has holes in it like Emmentaler cheese.

Quoting B8887 (Reply 10):

You forgot to mention Sir Tim Clark's words, where he indicates that he doubts that MH370 is where they say it is.

The article's headline:

"""Exclusive: MH370 Was Crippled by Sudden Electrical Failure""""



That wording is nothing more than clickbait and irresponsible reporting.

Whilst the scenario mentioned is one of the many possible ones, at this stage it's still just a possibility...

Quoting gasman (Reply 2): This is highly irresponsible reporting. It's being put forward as fact, whereas it's nothing more than (yet another) educated guess about what happened.

  

As well as clickbait...

Quoting karungguni (Reply 6): That is the biggest problem I have with any theory without human intervention. The plane came back across Malaysia short of the transfer to Vietnam to the south of problematic Patani in Thailand and then north of problematic Aceh in Indonesia and then made a turn south over the Indian Andaman Islands with no local radar coverage. Too many coincidental threading of the needle.

Agreed.

And the threading of the needle began just after the plane went silent right between ATC areas and ended when just the SatCom came back to life as soon as the plane reached another convenient location - an area where radar coverage ended.

Too coincidental...

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 7): If this turns to be true, Illl put a statue of PIHERO in my garden. Back in the first 15 or so threads he entertained a failure due to liquid spill or fire in the cockpit that made the flight be almost uncontrollable and then flew without intervention to the middle of the SIO. The plot thickens...

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Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 8): The "pilot did it" or alternatively a terrorist did it are still just as plausible as many other valid theories put forward so far. Diego Garcia and somewhere in Asia are not valid.

  

Exactly!

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 8): The lithium ion batteries theory sounds good but you'd have a fire warning long before the radios were knocked out and you'd be talking to somebody because you're looking for a place to land.

  

This is one of the other key points.

Just two minutes before the plane went silent and turned back the highly experienced Captain signed off with ATC with a standard message. No mention of any problem.

I assume that there was no fire / smoke alarm warnings happening at that time he just said "Good Night" to ATC otherwise I think he just might have informed ATC.

So, the fire must have conveniently not bee detected until:

-After the Captain signed off with ATC.

The fire must have spread so quickly that:

-The crew had no time to warn ATC and it was so bad that it made the crew turn back, again without informing ATC, just 2-3 minutes after they signed off.

But this very bad fire that took out electrical systems so quickly and prevented a Mayday call then:

-Allowed the plane to thread the needle of particular airspace until it got to a point where radar coverage ended and the entrance to the SIO was reached.

And then this very bad fire:

-Only resulted in the SatCom being able to come back to life; not the other systems it took out.

-Must have finished off the crew as no more turns were made and the ghost flight commenced.

-And... not damage anything in the plane bad enough to prevent the plane from flying on for hours more - in fact - for pretty much the exact amount of time that it should have flown for with the fuel load.


Some fire!

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 8): Say they couldn't talk to anybody and the pilots became incapacitated, the same fire that knpocked out the radios would have also taken out the autopilot and the airplane wouldn't have continued flying for 6+ hours.

  

Exactly.

Quoting art (Reply 16): Quote: First, the theory widely advanced in the early days of the disaster that as a first step to make the airplane “vanish” the pilots switched off the transponder. Nobody switched off anything at that moment—it now appears that a power interruption or failure could have disabled the transponder. Rubbish reporting. It is speculation that the aircrew switched off/did not switch off the transponder. It is presented as a fact (ie 100% certain) that the aircrew did not switch the transponder off.

  

Quoting YoungMans (Reply 23): You forgot to mention Sir Tim Clark's words, where he indicates that he doubts that MH370 is where they say it is.

And is his opinion more valid because he is the CEO of the airline with the world's largest 777 fleet?



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