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Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:34 am

http://m.mysanantonio.com/news/local...-call-of-6695875.php#photo-9106070

Saw this being reported. Looks like a big piece of the flap canoe is separated. Plane landed safely at SAT with no injuries.

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[Edited 2015-12-13 20:24:10]
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canard At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:01 am

Canoe.
That's a flap CANOE.

A canard is a horizontal stabilizer locate at the nose of the aircraft.

Quoting 9lflyguy (Thread starter):
Plane landed safely at SAT with no injuries.

Well, one should think. It's hard to imagine a flap canoe injuring anyone onboard the airplane.
The thing didn't even fall off- it merely lost its aft hardware.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canard At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:03 am

Looks as if it just didn't retract after flaps were pulled back up after departure IMO.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:49 am

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 3):
I hope you're having fun up there on your high horse.

        

AA737-823, I understand not everyone is as educated as you are but take it easy.

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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:38 am

Since the 737 can be dispatched to fly without the canoe installed at all, I would hardly call this an in-flight emergency.

But hey, whatever floats your canoe......



 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:05 am

For a second, I was wondering how the heck they managed to fit a canoe (the floaty thing) into a 733 - and how on earth they managed to lose it...
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:33 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):
For a second, I was wondering how the heck they managed to fit a canoe (the floaty thing) into a 733 - and how on earth they managed to lose it...

I'm with you, I was wondering if it was strapped to the top of the fuselage.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:46 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):

Glad I'm not the only one thinking that.   
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:48 am

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):

For a second, I was wondering how the heck they managed to fit a canoe (the floaty thing) into a 733 - and how on earth they managed to lose it...

Here I thought maybe they strapped it across the top like you see on a Subaru or Audi
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:07 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):

For a second, I was wondering how the heck they managed to fit a canoe (the floaty thing) into a 733 - and how on earth they managed to lose it...

I was more confused as to how a 737 got canards in the first place, let alone lost one (The original post confused the word "canard" for "canoe", it was later correctly edited).
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:29 pm

Seeing those pictures made the comments make a lot more sense. I thought WN lost the boating kind of canoe!   
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:34 pm

It it really missing anything? It more looks like a loose flap track fairing after a failure with the mechanism.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 6):
For a second, I was wondering how the heck they managed to fit a canoe (the floaty thing) into a 733 - and how on earth they managed to lose it...

I came here for the report of an angry man standing next to the conveyor belt holding only a canoe paddle as well.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:45 pm

I agree with the previous replies, I was wondering how the heck a huge floating canoe could just disappear at an airport!
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:01 pm

And then of course there's your typical moronic passengers saying, "I thought we were gonna DIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!     
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 14):
And then of course there's your typical moronic passengers saying, "I thought we were gonna DIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!

To go along with reports of passengers screaming and panicking during the whole return landing. And the pilots had to "fight for control" of the aircraft along the way. Television news must have had a quiet news day, Personally, I don't think if the passengers weren't told they never would have known.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:33 pm

Quoting tootallsd (Reply 7):
I'm with you, I was wondering if it was strapped to the top of the fuselage.

Nope, the canoe goes *under* the belly . . . .   

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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:51 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 5):
Since the 737 can be dispatched to fly without the canoe installed at all, I would hardly call this an in-flight emergency.

That's only true on the outboard tracks on the NG's. On the Classics the canoes are part of the drive mechanism for the aft flaps. So this particular plane shouldn't fly again until its repaired.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:50 pm

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 4):
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 3):
I hope you're having fun up there on your high horse.




AA737-823, I understand not everyone is as educated as you are but take it easy.

I don't see the reason for the criticism. What's the problem in correcting and clarifying the terminology? There was nothing rude or impolite in the correction as far as I can tell.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:56 pm

Quoting yeelep (Reply 17):
That's only true on the outboard tracks on the NG's. On the Classics the canoes are part of the drive mechanism for the aft flaps. So this particular plane shouldn't fly again until its repaired.

Weird, as it shows up on this CDL(sorry about the formatting) and I could swear I've seen our classics flying around like that.


1. INBOARD FLAP TRACK FAIRING TAIL CONE AND PLUNGER ASSEMBLY 737-300/400/500 2. FLAP TRACK FAIRING TAIL CONE, OUTBOARD FLAPS 737-100/200/300/400/500/600/700/800/900. Items 57-10-1 Either or both may be missing provided performance limited weights are reduced by the following for each missing item: Takeoff and Landing - 500 lb - (226 kg) or 0.050% gradient Enroute Climb - 900 lb - (408 kg) or 0.061% gradient
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:32 pm

Ugggh, so this made it into the NZ media and got blown way overboard. Passengers now survived a life and death experience.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...nding-after-part-of-wing-falls-off

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Passenger Lorenzo Hernandez took to Facebook to talk about what he described as a "near death experience".

"So what I believe was a near death experience today. I survived Southwest Airlines flight 987," he wrote.

"During the flight on the left side of the plane, fasteners came or broke off the wing. I heard a few people to the side of me scream to the aircrew, a piece broke and flew off and a panel was hanging."
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:17 pm

Quoting barney captain (Reply 19):

Thats just the tailcone on the fixed #3 or #6 flap fairings (the ones inline with the struts).
The only item on the Classics outboard canoe fairings that can be CDL'd is up to two of the tailcones.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:22 pm

Ah, got it - thanks!
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:37 pm

Quoting Fixinthe757 (Reply 14):

And then of course there's your typical moronic passengers saying, "I thought we were gonna DIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!     


I would not go that far of saying "moronic"!!!

Well, those passengers may not know that CANOE is not part of MEL or it does not impact safe flight operations. Sometime cascading effect of small failures adds up to catastrophic event like AF accident. One blocked Pitot tube should not threatened safe fllight of most advance jet, and it did not. It was cumulative effect of events after that failure.

It was not serious by itself but "Kudos" to this SW flight crew for their good airman ship.   

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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:45 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 10):
I was more confused as to how a 737 got canards in the first place, let alone lost one

I saw this, and was a bit confused, but didn't click on the thread. Then I saw it got changed to "canoe," and expected that when I clicked on it, to see something like this:

Quoting Toni_ (Reply 12):
I came here for the report of an angry man standing next to the conveyor belt holding only a canoe paddle as well

Had a good laugh when I realized what it was really about! Obviously not a major issue, but I can see why some pax would be scared if they know nothing about aircraft.
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:09 am

Does anyone know what a/c was involved?
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:25 am

Quoting 747to380to787 (Reply 23):
I would not go that far of saying "moronic"!!!

I would, and did. And theres countless more episodes where it applies.... esp when the media is concerned as well.
 
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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 24):
Quoting Toni_ (Reply 12):
I came here for the report of an angry man standing next to the conveyor belt holding only a canoe paddle as well

Had a good laugh when I realized what it was really about!

With certain other aircraft types, "losing a canoe" could refer to the real thing.

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RE: Southwest 737-300 Loses Canoe At SAT

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:37 pm

Quoting DesertFlyer (Reply 24):
Does anyone know what a/c was involved?

N396SW according the AvHerald.

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 19):
Ugggh, so this made it into the NZ media and got blown way overboard. Passengers now survived a life and death experience.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...nding-after-part-of-wing-falls-off

Not only did the aviation geek inside me just burst out into laughter reading this man's overreaction, I just had tears running down my cheeks reading some of the comments on that site LOL! Thanks for that!

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