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Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:20 pm

http://news.delta.com/delta-and-klm-partner-indias-jet-airways

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Delta Air Lines and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines will launch a codeshare agreement with India’s Jet Airways that brings convenient new travel options for customers flying from Europe and the United States via Amsterdam Airport Schiphol to India and beyond.

Effective March 27, 2016, and subject to government approvals, Delta and KLM customers flying from Europe and the United States to Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport will be able to connect onto Jet Airways’ new daily flights to New Delhi and Mumbai, with onward destinations that include Hyderabad, Bengaluru, Chennai, Ahmedabad, Kochi, Goa, Kolkata and Amritsar in India; Dhaka, Bangladesh; Kathmandu, Nepal; and Colombo, Sri Lanka.

Delta and KLM codeshare on these Jet Airways routes will provide customers with co-ordinated customer service, a single ticket and through-check in of bags to their final destinations. Delta SkyMiles and KLM Flying Blue members will be eligible to earn and redeem frequent flyer miles on codeshare routes operated by Jet.


In addition, Jet Airways will place its code on flights between Amsterdam and 11 destinations in the United States and Canada operated by Delta and KLM. These include: New York-JFK, Newark, Chicago, Washington, D.C., Houston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Edmonton. Jet Airways will also codeshare on KLM-operated flights to 30 European destinations beyond Amsterdam including Madrid, Zurich and Milan. KLM’s service between Amsterdam and New Delhi also forms part of this agreement.

“Delta is committed to offering customers greater choice and a high standard of service. By partnering with Jet Airways, India’s preferred premier full service, international network airline, we will be able to meet demand for flights to India and beyond,” said Nat Pieper, Delta’s Senior Vice President – Europe, Middle East and Africa. “We have a track record of building successful partnerships with international carriers that broaden our global network and we are delighted to be opening up the Indian subcontinent to the many thousands of Delta customers wanting to fly to this region.”

Pieter Elbers, KLM president and CEO, said: “The co-operation with Jet Airways is another milestone in our unique global flight network from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. This strategic step will deliver significant benefits to our business and provide KLM customers with exclusive travel opportunities. Plus we will strengthen our presence in the Indian domestic region and their neighbourhood.”

Cramer Ball, Chief Executive Officer, Jet Airways, said: “Jet Airways’ new services to Amsterdam and partnership with KLM and Delta demonstrates our continuous endeavour to provide greater choice and connectivity to our guests. With Amsterdam Airport Schiphol as our new European gateway, we will be able to provide our guests with one stop access to a wider array of destinations across Europe and North America together with our partners KLM and Delta. Jet Airways’ award winning service on board the state-of-the-art Airbus A330-300 aircraft from Mumbai and Delhi to Amsterdam offers a great proposition for our guests flying to Europe and North America.”

Delta and KLM offer up to 19 peak-day services to Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport from 21 destinations in the United States and Canada. For further information and to book flights between the United States and India, customers may log onto delta.com or klm.com.

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Jet Airways, India’s premier international airline has announced the launch of daily non-stop services between India and Amsterdam, its new European gateway which is ideally located for convenient onward connections.

With effect from March 27, 2016, Jet Airways will operate two daily non-stop flights to Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, one each from its home hubs in Mumbai and New Delhi. Jet Airways will also operate a daily flight from Toronto to Amsterdam. Schedules of all three flights have been planned to allow quick and convenient connections between India and Toronto over Amsterdam. These flights will be available for sale across all booking channels from December 15, 2015.

Jet Airways will deploy its modern Airbus A330-300 aircraft with 34 seats in Premiere and 259 seats in Economy on these routes.

Amsterdam is one of the great cities of the world and has emerged as a top financial centre and tourism destination in Europe. India’s trade relations with the Netherlands go back over 400 years and have continued to prosper in the modern age. The recent meeting between the Prime Ministers of India and the Netherlands has given a new impetus to this relationship.

Cramer Ball, Chief Executive Officer, Jet Airways, said "We are delighted to announce the launch of new services to Amsterdam. This is a significant step for Jet Airways and demonstrates our continuous endeavour to provide greater choice and better connections for our guests. Jet Airways' two daily flights from India to Amsterdam will facilitate further growth in business and tourism between India and the Netherlands."

With the objective of providing convenient connections for its guests to key destinations across Europe and North America over Amsterdam, Jet Airways has entered into a strategic agreement with KLM Royal Dutch Airlines and Delta Air Lines.

Under this agreement and subject to government and regulatory approvals, Jet Airways will codeshare to 30 European destinations for travel between India and Europe via Amsterdam. Key destinations include Brussels, Berlin, Copenhagen, Munich, Madrid, Geneva and Vienna operated by KLM. Jet Airways will also codeshare with KLM and Delta on 11 destinations between India and the United States and Canada including New York JFK, Newark, Washington DC, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver and Montreal.

The codeshare partnership will give Jet Airways guests a single ticket, through check-in of bags to their final destinations and co-ordinated customer service at airports. Members of Jet Airways’ frequent flier programme JetPrivilege will also be eligible to earn and redeem JP Miles on codeshare flights operated by Delta and KLM.

Schedule: -

9W232 BOM0225 - 0815AMS 333 D

9W231 AMS1120 - 2355BOM 333 D

9W234 DEL0235 - 0800AMS1120 - 1340YYZ 333 D

9W233 YYZ1950 - 0915+1AMS1140 - 2320DEL 333 D
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:37 pm

Why is 9W continuing the AMS-YYZ sector, but not the AMS-EWR sector? Any chance of KL/ 9W starting non-stops to other Indian cities?
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:38 pm

IS Jet stopping its flights to the USA ?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:39 pm

Interesting.... The Amsterdam operations fly a bit in the face of expectations that 9w will become a regional arm of Etihad. Perhaps Etihad's control over 9W is not to the extent that some people thought...

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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:44 pm

Well done! Congrats to Jet!

AF is reducing its flights to India

CDG - DEL 5 weekly instead of Daily which is very sad...

CDG - BLR 5 weekly instead of 6 weekly flights.

Cheers

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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:48 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 3):
Interesting.... The Amsterdam operations fly a bit in the face of expectations that 9w will become a regional arm of Etihad. Perhaps Etihad's control over 9W is not to the extent that some people thought...

This is a bit of, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em with regard to EY. Assuming EY is still controlling 9W decisions, it's interesting if this means anything for DL's relationship with EY. EY has been expanding in the USA much more slowly, although they do have a strong relationship with AA, one that QR has tried their best to splinter. When EY bought AB and AB allied with AF/KL, EY thought it would lead to a DL relationship. This is probably also at play here.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:58 pm

Well, that is very convenient  
Just this weekend I was looking at the options for flying to different places in India next year (Nagpur, Guwahati). 9W seemed to have the better connections and prices, but it meant an additional stopover at LHR.
Now, with 9W opening direct flights from AMS to DEL and BOM with their A333s, this makes life a lot more simple   
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):

Isn't that ironic ? DL is the biggest champ against ME3, and 2 seconds later he might just partner with EY ?
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:15 pm

Quoting atal17 (Thread starter):
Schedule: -

9W232 BOM0225 - 0815AMS 333 D

9W231 AMS1120 - 2355BOM 333 D

9W234 DEL0235 - 0800AMS1120 - 1340YYZ 333 D

9W233 YYZ1950 - 0915+1AMS1140 - 2320DEL 333 D

yes as a result of the above, 9W will be suspending EWR effective end of W15 season. Am surprised too that YYZ continues to remain online !
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:28 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 7):

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):

Isn't that ironic ? DL is the biggest champ against ME3, and 2 seconds later he might just partner with EY ?

If they launch the foreign subsidiary later this week, I think it could cause an about-face on a number of things, since they would go from agrieved American, to quasi-Globalist.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:29 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
Am surprised too that YYZ continues to remain online !

Yes, especially as KLM and Air Canada already offer daily AMS - YYZ flights. Anyway, I was looking at the 9W website, it's not possible to book flights yet to YYZ from AMS.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:40 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
yes as a result of the above, 9W will be suspending EWR effective end of W15 season. Am surprised too that YYZ continues to remain online !

They'll probably move the traffic on EY to JFK. What's surpising is that they don't codeshare on YYZ (or at least, that seems from the press releases). If they would you'd have twice daily 9W flights to connect.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 7):
Isn't that ironic ? DL is the biggest champ against ME3, and 2 seconds later he might just partner with EY ?

Sometimes companis do in reality different things than it appears in public. Moreover, maybe ironic, but expected for a few years.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:45 pm

"Jet Airways will codeshare to 30 European destinations for travel between India and Europe via Amsterdam. Key destinations include Brussels, Berlin, Copenhagen, Munich, Madrid, Geneva and Vienna operated by KLM"

LOL irony of including Brussels as key destination...
That said, looks like a very smart move of 9W; they were under pressure in Brussels anyways and this seems like a good move to partner rather than be defeated.
Let's hope they become a true skymiles/FB partner and not just another half baked earn 50% deal.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:46 pm

Quoting mayhem (Reply 12):
LOL irony of including Brussels as key destination...

Even more irony as BRU is being axed.

Jet Airways To Quit BRU (by KarelXWB Dec 14 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:07 pm

With Jet, the premiere Indian carrier, as a partner, the eventual return of DL non-stop service to India from ATL or JFK is not out of the question.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:12 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 14):

Agreed. You wonder why EY would aid with that unless they are getting something from DL. DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline. Why would EY offer DL that via a partner unless EY gets feed?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:46 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Agreed. You wonder why EY would aid with that unless they are getting something from DL. DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline. Why would EY offer DL that via a partner unless EY gets feed?

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Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:48 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline.

EY and DL are still interline partners.

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):
They'll probably move the traffic on EY to JFK

9W will codeshare on DL and/or KL-operated flights from AMS to 11 destinations in the US, including JFK.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:01 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline.

EY and DL are still interline partners.

Despite the argument over Fair Skies, DL still must offer its customers connectivity to destinations it cannot serve on DL metal for whatever reason. Thus, the partnership between DL/KL and 9W. Of course DL would prefer to fly non-stop to DEL and BOM for example, but no airline - not even DL - can compete with governments that pump endless amounts of money into their airlines.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:04 pm

AMS is certainly playing itself out as the most vibrant Skyteam hub in Europe. CDG does hot hold a candle in ease of use, connectivity, and efficiency.

AMS is also in the midst of major refurbishment. Arguably it is the 'Changi' of Europe.

It will be interesting indeed to see what develops out of Delta-Amsterdam, Inc.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:34 pm

This is great news, congratulations to all parties.

Also, I was really confused as to why Delta would partner up Jet Airways since EY has a 24% stake in the airline. But it makes sense, IMO. Its the cleanest way to get things done. Delta won't be directly linked to ME3 and they will be able to get traffic across. Very good way to test the waters with minimal risk.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:36 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 14):
With Jet, the premiere Indian carrier, as a partner, the eventual return of DL non-stop service to India from ATL or JFK is not out of the question.

The first think I thought is why is 9W quitting EWR, they should have transfered to JFK and partnership with DL on the route, it will be a much better option for pax connecting, 9W do DEL-JFK and DL doing ATL-BOM.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
yes as a result of the above, 9W will be suspending EWR effective end of W15 season. Am surprised too that YYZ continues to remain online !

Very surprise, since they are going to partnership with KLM why to continue to YYZ?? maybe the limitation for ME3 into Canada could be a factor and 9W is going to have EY customers via AMS, so they have 5th freedom to do so?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:58 pm

Interesting thing code share to US does not cover any of the DL hubs (ATL, MSP, DTW or SLC). Is it because of DL and its opposition against EY?
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:02 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 21):
The first think I thought is why is 9W quitting EWR, they should have transfered to JFK and partnership with DL on the route, it will be a much better option for pax connecting, 9W do DEL-JFK and DL doing ATL-BOM.

DL already flies EWR-AMS, for the NYC travelers who prefer EWR to JFK.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:14 pm

Quoting YouGeeElWhy (Reply 16):

Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
Agreed. You wonder why EY would aid with that unless they are getting something from DL. DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline. Why would EY offer DL that via a partner unless EY gets feed?

what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

If DL is flying non-stop to India.

Quoting panamair (Reply 17):
Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
DL won't feed the ME3 in the USA even interline.

EY and DL are still interline partners.

Really? That is interesting. Why would they be? It makes you wonder...

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 18):
Thus, the partnership between DL/KL and 9W. Of course DL would prefer to fly non-stop to DEL and BOM for example, but no airline - not even DL - can compete with governments that pump endless amounts of money into their airlines.

India is subsidizing all the Indian carriers??? A non-stop vs. a connect is still a distinct advantage...or a 1 stop vs. a 2 stop.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:21 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 21):
Quoting behramjee (Reply 8):
yes as a result of the above, 9W will be suspending EWR effective end of W15 season. Am surprised too that YYZ continues to remain online !

Very surprise, since they are going to partnership with KLM why to continue to YYZ?? maybe the limitation for ME3 into Canada could be a factor and 9W is going to have EY customers via AMS, so they have 5th freedom to do so?

The answer to your EWR question is quite simple:

1. Traffic between India-USA moves over AUH on EY/9W, AMS is a bonus offering non-EY destinations in USA (EWR).
2. 9W continues to carry passengers to EWR (while introducing JFK) via AMS, as DL/KL operate to both NYC airports.
2. The UAE- Canada bilateral is restricted, EY operates AUH-YYZ just 3x/week only.
3. The India-Canada bilateral is not restricted, so 9W can operate India-YYZ daily.
4. A 9W scissor hub at AMS feeds both DEL-YYZ and BOM-YYZ passengers onto the YYZ flight.
5. As KL/9W both operate DEL-AMS in full codeshare, 9W passengers will gain more options india-Europe, India-USA
6. DL/KL offer 9W 19x destinations in the USA/Canada, while 9W offered just EWR and YYZ over BRU.
7. KL offers 72x destinations in Europe, 17x in the UK alone. 9W gains significant additional access to Europe.

Overall this move makes sense for all three carriers, a true WIN-WIN-WIN situation.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:25 pm

Quoting CDG" class="quote" target="_blank">CDG (Reply 4):
AF is reducing its flights to India

CDG - DEL 5 weekly instead of Daily which is very sad...

CDG - BLR 5 weekly instead of 6 weekly flights.

There are rumours that AF may axe BLR completely and may just fly DEL or have KL do DEL and AF do BOM. Apparently, despite going full in all 3 classes, AF staff costs ensure it does not earn a profit ex India.

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My analysis of the 9W-DL-KL agreement (as I published in my article, dumbed down a little bit for non aviation enthusiasts).

This was a long expected and welcome move which was held up by the FAA downgrade of Indian aviation which prohibited US carriers from putting their flight numbers on those operated by Indian carriers.

Amsterdam is one of the largest hubs in Europe, and both Delta and Air France-KLM are founding members of the SkyTeam alliance. Jet's strategic investor, Etihad Airways, has been inching closer to Air France-KLM with a number of strategic agreements from code-shares to maintenance.

With Star accepting Air India and Vistara which is jointly promoted by Singapore Airlines, another Star Alliance heavyweight, waiting in the wings, Jet's Star dreams have evaporated. The status of its existing agreements with Air Canada and United Airlines, both Star Alliance members, is not clear.

Similarly, with Qatar Airways as a oneworld member in the Gulf, the possibility of Etihad and by extension Jet Airways aligning with oneworld are remote.

Don't be surprised if Jet and possibly Etihad join the SkyTeam alliance before the end of this decade.
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Quoting AABB777 (Reply 18):
Thus, the partnership between DL/KL and 9W. Of course DL would prefer to fly non-stop to DEL and BOM for example, but no airline - not even DL - can compete with governments that pump endless amounts of money into their airlines.

India is subsidizing all the Indian carriers??? A non-stop vs. a connect is still a distinct advantage...or a 1 stop vs. a 2 stop.

I was not referring to Indian carriers, but rather the Open Skies debate between the US3 and ME3.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 19):
It will be interesting indeed to see what develops out of Delta-Amsterdam, Inc.

Well the European hub figures speak for themselves:

Aircraft movements - August 2015:

1. AMS 43.559
2. CDG 43.452
3. FRA 42.787
4. LHR 41.783

On passenger traffic AMS continues to outgrow the other European hubs, but remains no. 4 in absolute figures. Though 2016 could possibly see AMS overtake a competing hub in annual passengers.

Passenger traffic - August 2015

1. LHR 7.333.100
2. CDG 6.689.203
3. FRA 6.308.759
4. AMS 5.940.000

The month of August was chosen as it indicates the current trend best. On an annual basis the four hubs are very close together on movements, while annual pax listing is identical to the month listing.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 26):

Don't be surprised if Jet and possibly Etihad join the SkyTeam alliance before the end of this decade.

If EY were smart, they should, along with all the non-aligned carriers of "Etihad Partners". What the fate of AirBerlin would be interesting to see. The one they have very little chance bringing over is VA. With NZ+SQ owning over 45% of shares, I would be very surprised if they approve VA joining Skyteam.

VS joining SkyTeam almost makes perfect sense, if DL is willing to share the fruits of its labor with its other partners.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 4:39 pm

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 27):
Quoting enilria (Reply 24):
Quoting AABB777 (Reply 18):
Thus, the partnership between DL/KL and 9W. Of course DL would prefer to fly non-stop to DEL and BOM for example, but no airline - not even DL - can compete with governments that pump endless amounts of money into their airlines.

India is subsidizing all the Indian carriers??? A non-stop vs. a connect is still a distinct advantage...or a 1 stop vs. a 2 stop.

I was not referring to Indian carriers, but rather the Open Skies debate between the US3 and ME3.

OK, but DL can fly non-stop between the USA and India. EK/EY/QR can't. That's a huge advantage for the US3.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:15 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 25):
The answer to your EWR question is quite simple:

1. Traffic between India-USA moves over AUH on EY/9W, AMS is a bonus offering non-EY destinations in USA (EWR).
2. 9W continues to carry passengers to EWR (while introducing JFK) via AMS, as DL/KL operate to both NYC airports.
2. The UAE- Canada bilateral is restricted, EY operates AUH-YYZ just 3x/week only.
3. The India-Canada bilateral is not restricted, so 9W can operate India-YYZ daily.
4. A 9W scissor hub at AMS feeds both DEL-YYZ and BOM-YYZ passengers onto the YYZ flight.
5. As KL/9W both operate DEL-AMS in full codeshare, 9W passengers will gain more options india-Europe, India-USA
6. DL/KL offer 9W 19x destinations in the USA/Canada, while 9W offered just EWR and YYZ over BRU.
7. KL offers 72x destinations in Europe, 17x in the UK alone. 9W gains significant additional access to Europe.

Overall this move makes sense for all three carriers, a true WIN-WIN-WIN situation.

Not that simple, but you explain it very good.

Obviously KLM is a great partner and AMS hub is great, or it will be as soon as they finish the works going on, 72 destinations in Europe and most probably the best network to the UK in the world. For the same reason, don't you think that 9W could do also a much wider access to NA if 9W-DL do a partnership flight between BOM or DEL to a DL hub in the USA.

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
OK, but DL can fly non-stop between the USA and India. EK/EY/QR can't. That's a huge advantage for the US3.

It's a potential big advantage for the US3 because they are not doing it, but I think we will see it soon.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 26):
There are rumours that AF may axe BLR completely and may just fly DEL or have KL do DEL and AF do BOM. Apparently, despite going full in all 3 classes, AF staff costs ensure it does not earn a profit ex India.

If all the cabins are full and they are not making profit something is terribly wrong with that.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:21 pm

Quoting migair54 (Reply 31):
For the same reason, don't you think that 9W could do also a much wider access to NA if 9W-DL do a partnership flight between BOM or DEL to a DL hub in the USA.

With oil at $35/barrel, a JFK-BOM flight (the primary 9W hub) should be economically feasible, esp since DL has the right equipment with minimal payload penalty - the 77L.

For DL they might be torn between where the O&D is (JFK) and where the feed is (ATL). They tried both so they should have a sense of which might work better.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:22 pm

Cue EY to ST rumor.

Not really shocked. Anderson hates al Baker but James Hogan seems to be a level headed, pragmatist.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:26 pm

I dug around Google, and found an old thread. Apparently it's been in the works for 2.5 years, if not longer :


Etihad Announces Jet Airways Move From BRU To AMS (by factsonly May 21 2013 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:30 pm

So for USA spotters, the only remaining chances to catch the 9W livery would be the EY flights to SFO and JFK that are operated by 9W 77Ws. Are there any plans for those aircraft to be fully transferred over to EY or to at least be painted in EY colors, or are they likely to remain in the 9W livery?

Regarding EY and partners joining SkyTeam, I think that would partially make sense from a U.S. network perspective but partially would not be a great fit.
EY - Could get feed from DL at LAX and JFK, but not much at SFO, DFW, ORD, or IAD.
AZ - Already in SkyTeam.
9W - Will no longer fly to the U.S, but great fit with the new scissor operation in AMS.
AB - Could get feed from DL at LAX, JFK, and BOS, but not much at SFO, DFW, ORD, MIA, or RSW. Could also strengthen DL's ATL-DUS.
JU - Could get feed from DL at JFK.

Obviously more than just U.S. codesharing potential would be taken into account when evaluating alliances.
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:30 pm

May be 9W would open BLR-AMS as well in future and KL or DL open DFW-AMS all year? That would be fantastic.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:39 pm

What's the India to NL bilateral ? How much expansion can 9W do before running into the cap, if any ?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:47 pm

Doesn't seem useful for the large amounts of people heading to South India - BLR/HYD/MAA/COK etc. Who wants to fly IAH-AMS-DEL-BLR when you can one-stop through DXB/DOH.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:52 pm

Quoting ytraveller (Reply 38):

If their goal is the business traveler, at the very least they should add AMS-BLR to the mix.

This limited offering only marginally improves over the existing AUH scissor hub. Pax from places like YYC could benefit I guess.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:07 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 14):
the eventual return of DL non-stop service to India from ATL or JFK is not out of the question.

They have sufficient 77Ls in case they wanted to do that, right?

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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:07 pm

Congratulations to DL/KL/9W! I think this agreement has a lot of potential for all parties.

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 39):
This limited offering only marginally improves over the existing AUH scissor hub. Pax from places like YYC could benefit I guess.

Agreed. I would think that having access to an expanded TATL network would lead to an expanded India-EU network as well. Hopefully we will see that down the line.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:09 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 34):

I dug around Google, and found an old thread. Apparently it's been in the works for 2.5 years, if not longer :

Etihad Announces Jet Airways Move From BRU To AMS (by factsonly May 21 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Perhaps put on hold by Fair Skies?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 40):
They have sufficient 77Ls in case they wanted to do that, right?

Where did the DXB one go?
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:33 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 42):

Where did the DXB one go?

Probably picking up asparagus from Lima.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:47 pm

It's no secret that DL is considering adding anywhere from 10 to 17 777 frames.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:51 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 44):
It's no secret that DL is considering adding anywhere from 10 to 17 777 frames.

The rumor for 2nd hand 777s for DL were for 77E, which seem somewhat ill-suited for a ULH like JFK-BOM. But then again, UA flies EWR-BOM nonstop everyday with 77Es, so maybe DL can make that work too.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:54 pm

Any idea if 9W will move YYZ Operations from T1 to T3 to line up with SkyTeam buddies?
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:42 pm

Quoting global1 (Reply 14):
non-stop service to India from ATL or JFK is not out of the question.

Given the wide range of 1 stop options for NYC - India and 2 non stops NYC - DEL/BOM i don't see how DL would re-attempt JFK-BOM non stop or for that matter JFK-DEL. I don't see DL being bold enough to resurrect the ATL either because i very much doubt if the premium market exists. I think we have just about seen the end of new US - India non stops being launched with the last one being the DEL-SFO nonstop by AI. At the most, we may see DEL-IAD by AI and that's about it. Only significantly improved economics by a more fuel efficient aircraft may lead to other non-stops being tried; I think DL will probably concentrate on making more inroads into the Chinese market as far as Asia is concerned.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:52 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 45):
The rumor for 2nd hand 777s for DL were for 77E, which seem somewhat ill-suited for a ULH like JFK-BOM. But then again, UA flies EWR-BOM nonstop everyday with 77Es, so maybe DL can make that work too.

Just curious but why are 77Es ill suited for this route? Also for what its worth, the 77Ws coming next year will probably go on this route, among others.
 
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RE: Jet Airways Announces Partnership With Delta/KLM

Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:03 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 48):

Just curious but why are 77Es ill suited for this route? Also for what its worth, the 77Ws coming next year will probably go on this route, among others.

Just not as payload optimized as it would be. EWR-BOM/DEL/HKG are among the world's absolute longest 77E routes, and is definitely stretching to the edge of its capability. Wasn't there some payload chart before that showed above 5000-odd nautical miles, the 77W/77L become better than the 77E ?

Agreed that the 77W can make a good difference in the longest routes like EWR-BOM/DEL/HKG as well as upgauging TLV.

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