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Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:54 am

According to the GDS, effective 01JUL16, DXB IAH will switch from the A380 to the B77W.

I guess the effects of oil prices are more and more visible.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:01 am

The flight was hardly full in the summer. Not a real shocker.

I wonder when they get the 778/9 or A350 or 787 they can make IAH double daily again.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:11 am

2016 looks like it might be a rough year for int'l services from IAH.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:14 am

fyi this is a forecast done for oil prices till 2020 which basically states that OPEC and other oil producing countries that are reliant on oil revenues for their budget planning better be prepared for a short fall for the next 2-3 years at least.

In Nigeria at least, the fall in oil prices has already resulted in the local naira currency dropping in value by 55% since July 2014 !

http://knoema.com/yxptpab/crude-oil-...-term-2015-to-2025-data-and-charts

and

http://longforecast.com/brent/crude-...recast-for-2015-2016-and-2017.html
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:38 am

Has been certainly been a bit of a fall from grace for EK at IAH.

Double daily to 1 x daily A380 and now moving that to a 77W.

Since it has expanded its US network, in particular starting DFW flights, this has been an interesting route to watch. The issues with IAH's top economic drivers have added more spice.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:58 am

A380 capacity from the IAH route will shift partly to the MUC route, which will gain a third daily A380.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:29 am

Wow - 3rd daily A380 at MUC! Guess the catchment market is strong in Bayern!
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:42 am

I certainly didn't expect this..


I wonder if DFW is next.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:58 pm

Will Horton (Analyst at CAPA) : In the first 10 months of 2015, Emirates' Houston traffic grew by 23%, less than 38% increase in capacity. Load factors fell (77W to A380).

"Emirates upgauged Houston from 777 to A380 in Dec 2014 but will revert back to 777 in Jun 2016. Oil industry downturn changed IAH dynamics"
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):
Wow - 3rd daily A380 at MUC! Guess the catchment market is strong in Bayern!

It means that it's the best use EK can find for the A380.

It will be interesting to see where they end up going forward, because they're going to get an awful lot more in the near future.

71st A380 was delivered to EK on Dec 11th.

22 of the next 24 A380s off the line go to EK, 32 of the next 40.

That's a lot of routes to find.

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Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:47 pm

Hate that it has to be this way, but this proves that the mighty Houston and Emirates are human after all.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:05 pm

BOS, when ready, will get one of these A380s, most agree. The economy and demographics are much more stable and more broad-based.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:29 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):

I wonder if DFW is next.

If this is because of oil/gas prices, DFW won't be next because Houston's where the majority of energy traffic goes.

If it's for other reasons (ie saw a chance to improve yields by switching aircraft), then DFW could very well be next.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:43 pm

I am not sure how many of you will support this argument, but its true that there is a section of people(including me) who prefer travelling on a 380. Initially it was a fascination, but later on its reality that travel is comfortable on a 380.

I personally feel 380 brings in an obvious difference in experience on ultra long haul flights especially in Economy compared to 772 & 773. Its sad to see EK 380 leaving IAH.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:19 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 9):

EK wants to upgauge their 2nd daily service to AMS from 77W to A380. Apparently EK is still waiting for permission from Dutch authorities (not sure why an aircraft swap needs permission though, they're already operation their other daily flight with A380).
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:19 pm

Based upon the passenger loads released by DFW and HAS, IAH has similar to superior passenger numbers on the route compared to DFW ( DFW 54% vs 62% IAH October 2015). The loads for the year are somewhat better with IAH at 68.4% and DFW slightly lower. Of course, this is not factoring in prices and competition etc. Based on this I wonder why IAH was dropped to the 77W.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:30 pm

Quoting Dubaiamman243 (Reply 8):
Oil industry downturn changed IAH dynamics"

  

Look at United. At its Q3 earnings they stated they had massive 35% declines in our energy sector corporate revenue.

Quoting tbboko802 (Reply 15):
Based on this I wonder why IAH was dropped to the 77W.

Because loads are not everything. The revenue picture might be quite different dependent on the mix of clients and destinations involved.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:12 pm

Look at United. At its Q3 earnings they stated they had massive 35% declines in our energy sector corporate revenue.


Quoting tbboko802 (Reply 15):
Based on this I wonder why IAH was dropped to the 77W.

Because loads are not everything. The revenue picture might be quite different dependent on the mix of clients and destinations involved

No argument here. I realize the oil downturn has affected the Houston picture. What I am surprised at is despite the oil downturn Emirate's IAH passenger numbers are still higher than DFW's and ticket prices from both markets are very close if not exactly the same.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:18 pm

I'm thinking IAH and DFW will be among the 1st markets served by

EK's 779's in a few years time.   
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 4:22 pm

Emirates' IAH load factor:

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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:08 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):
I certainly didn't expect this..

Maybe not but living here, Ill be the first to tell you that its not good times in Houston right now.

Quoting Miami (Reply 7):
I wonder if DFW is next.

Depends if it was related to the oil market. Contrary to popular belief, DFW is not really an oil market. The ME3 survive off the massive Indian community and tech presence in the Dallas area. If this decision was based on oil, DFW will be unaffected.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:34 pm

This "bad" news is somewhat tempered by the fact that NZ #28 is less than an hour out from it's inaugural launch of IAH services. Let's hope this route goes well.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:22 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Because loads are not everything. The revenue picture might be quite different dependent on the mix of clients and destinations involved.

For whatever reason, IAH has always been a higher-fare market than DFW. It would be hard to assume that both LF and average fares would not result in higher revenues out of IAH.

There are still plenty of new condos being proposed and built in Houston, though I can't figure out who the buyers are.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:28 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 22):

Houston will survive. Always has and always will. People refer to Houston as a boom bust city. But it's not really busting right now. As far as I know, the city is still growing. People are still flying. It's going to take some serious finagling by Houston, but everything will work out soon enough.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 6:38 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 22):
There are still plenty of new condos being proposed and built in Houston, though I can't figure out who the buyers are.

Whoever they are, theyre getting them for cheap. Prices on condos and towne homes are down 10%

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/n...me-prices-fall-amid-oil-slump.html

Quoting IAHflyer97 (Reply 23):
Houston will survive. Always has and always will. People refer to Houston as a boom bust city. But it's not really busting right now. As far as I know, the city is still growing. People are still flying. It's going to take some serious finagling by Houston, but everything will work out soon enough.

Yes Houston will survive, but this is definately a bust. Not a 1980's style bust, but a bust nonetheless.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:34 pm

Unlike the last bust in oil prices, this time Houston is less reliant on oil and gas industry. However there has been across the board cut on international travel, especially business class even for non oil companies.

This could be the reason behind the down gauge. And DFW is not as reliant on the oil and gas industry but is still affected by it somewhat, it still has sizable number of companies in the o/g industry.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:46 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 25):
Unlike the last bust in oil prices, this time Houston is less reliant on oil and gas industry. However there has been across the board cut on international travel, especially business class even for non oil companies.

Indeed there have been great strides, but if you look at the cost of real estate around here (which is considered a good measuring point), were going to feel it until this recovers.

Below are the most diverse economies in the US listed from most to least. Houston doesnt fare too bad, but there is room for improvement for sure:

Denver: .85
San Antonio: .82
Atlanta: .82
Chicago: .81
Nashville: .80
Phoenix: .79
Dallas: .79
Minneapolis: .78
Tampa: .76
Raleigh: .76
Portland, OR: .75
Philadelphia: .75
Columbus, OH: .73
San Francisco: .73
Austin: .68
Charlotte: .67
Boston: .65
San Diego: .64
Miami: .63
New York City: .62
Houston: .61
Memphis: .55
Detroit: .55
Los Angeles: .55
Washington DC: .50
Seattle: .39
Orlando: .30
San Jose: .23
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:06 am

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 2):
2016 looks like it might be a rough year for int'l services from IAH.

I am interested in why you believe this. I fly through IAH monthly on flights from South America. In my observation, international traffic there is robust.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:08 am

Quoting LatAmFlyer (Reply 27):
I am interested in why you believe this. I fly through IAH monthly on flights from South America. In my observation, international traffic there is robust.

The biggest issue will be yields on the routes that once had significant premium demand.

The volume may well still be fairly robust but how much people will pay for tickets is another story.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:28 am

Quoting LatAmFlyer (Reply 27):

I am interested in why you believe this. I fly through IAH monthly on flights from South America. In my observation, international traffic there is robust.

6 words, oil oil oil (and) location location location.
Oil is the one commodity that all of the world needs, and Houston is the oil capital. And location, IAH is in the best geographic location (besides possibly MIA), to shuttle pax between the Americas. Oil is slumping, so flights to GIG are gonna be in the crapper, the only thing holding it up right now is the Olympics, and no telling how long Brazil economy will hold after that. They're on borrowed time.

Houston learned it's lesson to diversify it's economy, but still heavily leans on oil. SK was the first casualty, EK now with reverting to the 77W (which leaves the second A380 gate open!!!). My old colleagues at LH said they are noticing less lax through FRA, and God only knows how QR and to a lesser extent TK are holding thanks to oil, I'd imagine TK is doing a bit better than QR but still, they carry a lot of oil traffic. Then there's SQ. Either a downgauge, stop-over change from DME, or total cessation. My vote is either ZRH, HKG, or even BCN as the new stop overs. Can an A330 make SIN-DME-IAH?
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:38 am

Quoting Miami (Reply 19):
Emirates' IAH load factor:




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Can you remind us when the whalejet joined the route? Is it the cause of LF drop or was 2015 already down when it was added.

As others speculate, I suspect the downgauage is related to front cabin performance. I work for a large oil and gas company and we've been in a travel ban for most of the year and 2016 isn't looking much better. Contrary to how it "sounds", travel is still allowed for business critical things but overall demand is down significantly. More concerning is Q1-16 takes the ban to a whole new level, our overseas training facilities are cutting back. Most Training had been excluded from travel bans until now.

Regardless, people still need to travel but I don't see how Houston (at least energy sector) has premium cabin demand to fill the huge front ... Err upper ... Section of the whalejet. A 77W makes much more sense.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:42 am

Quoting Okcflyer (Reply 30):
Can you remind us when the whalejet joined the route?

Around last November/December. So about a year now. That chart makes sense. Larger aircraft, more seats to fill, lower loads. Smaller aircraft, less seats to fill, higher loads. At least relatively speaking.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:54 am

A couple of people on this board mentioned that IAH was a 2x daily. Could you kindly confirm if this used to be 2x daily on 380, 77W or a mix?

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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:17 am

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 32):
A couple of people on this board mentioned that IAH was a 2x daily. Could you kindly confirm if this used to be 2x daily on 380, 77W or a mix?

2x 777. cant remember if it was 2x 77L, 77W, or one of each. That stopped when they started DFW.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:36 am

777LR One flight at around noon the other in the evening.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:42 am

I suppose QR doing decent they fly the 777LR do carry good amount of cargo too. TK should be doing good with there dirt cheap fares plus TK gets loads to Europe as well. Though I feel that EK has lot of competition in all direction EK gets traffic from IAH to Australia, Asia, Africa, and, Middle East. You have NZ who just joined will take some Aussie traffic. You have CA, BR, NH, TK, SQ, QR, BA, LH, AF, KL, UA and, KE all fight for Asia traffic. Middle East you have the Euro carriers plus TK and QR. Africa you got the Euro carrier, QR and TK.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:58 am

Quoting iah59 (Reply 35):
I suppose QR doing decent they fly the 777LR do carry good amount of cargo too.

QR also serve IAH with a dedicated freighter coming almost empty from MEX multiple times a week.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:22 am

The issue with downgauging to a 777 is not so much the loss of seats but that for business class, it's a major quality downgrade. The A380 seats are great but the 777s are far below those of the top airlines.


Has EK any plans to renovate the J cabins on the 777 fleet?
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:46 am

The downgrade seems to certainly be due to the massive drop in the premium demand. IIRC IAH was the second destination for EK in the USA after New York much before SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD et al. The same is applicable to Qatar Airways as well for which IAH was the 3rd destination in the USA.

Despite being light on VFR traffic when compared to other West Coast points does attest the fact the crucial premium demand this sector has.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting ojas (Reply 38):
he downgrade seems to certainly be due to the massive drop in the premium demand. IIRC IAH was the second destination for EK in the USA after New York much before SFO, LAX, ORD, IAD et al. The same is applicable to Qatar Airways as well for which IAH was the 3rd destination in the USA.

Despite being light on VFR traffic when compared to other West Coast points does attest the fact the crucial premium demand this sector has.

I remember there was a discussion about a year or so ago that the DFW route was not doing well either.
Not sure about the cargo yields though: how much cargo can a 77W carry relative to an A380?
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 37):
The issue with downgauging to a 777 is not so much the loss of seats but that for business class, it's a major quality downgrade. The A380 seats are great but the 777s are far below those of the top airlines.

Similar for Y too in some ways - the 10 abreast 77W is less comfortable than the 10 abreast 380.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 39):
I remember there was a discussion about a year or so ago that the DFW route was not doing well either.

Haven't been to Houston in recent years, but have flown QF/EK twice in DFW circle, and business class close to full on the four flights. In fact for one flight, had to arrive a day earlier to get a seat.

Perhaps Houston will revert to A380 when more 2 class versions are available.

EK 777 are not competitive in economy or business, though for business they really go the extra mile, even if the seats and layout are not leading edge. When my wife flew to Greece and Italy, even though the Athens - Rome leg wasn't on EK, they arranged chauffeur pick up and drop off.

EK A380 in economy and business, hard and soft product, is excellent.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:44 pm

Wingflex744: "A couple of people on this board mentioned that IAH was a 2x daily. Could you kindly confirm if this used to be 2x daily on 380, 77W or a mix?"

I have flown EK on this route a couple of times when it was still 777s. In Dec 2011, the mid day flight was 77L and in 2013, the evening flight was 77W.

I wondered how daily A380s could sustain from both DFW and IAH- specifically so many J seats. Something had to give.

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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:54 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 39):
Not sure about the cargo yields though: how much cargo can a 77W carry relative to an A380?

Waaaaaaaay more cargo.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:14 pm

I took this flight back in October. J Class on the way to DXB and Economy coming back to IAH. Both classes were only half full. So I'm not surprised. The A380 is a great aircraft and sad to see her leave.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:45 pm

Quoting DolphinAir747 (Reply 43):
Waaaaaaaay more cargo.

And therein perhaps lies our answer why the downgrade to 77W. If front of cabin yields are soft then they need to pump up the revenue with cargo.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:45 pm

Quoting flyenthu (Reply 42):
Wingflex744: "A couple of people on this board mentioned that IAH was a 2x daily. Could you kindly confirm if this used to be 2x daily on 380, 77W or a mix?"

They were 2x daily with 77L's , when the DFW service started, they pulled the morning 77L

and sent it to DFW instead.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:55 pm

And they are reintroducing A380 to Moscow.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:42 am

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 46):
They were 2x daily with 77L's

I flew on A6-ECU from DXB-IAH, which is a 77W; so, one of the twice daily 777 flights used 77W equipment. So, both were not 77Ls.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:47 am

Quoting us330 (Reply 12):
DFW won't be next because Houston's where the majority of energy traffic goes.

Don't be fooled, DFW is also a huuuuuge energy center.
Not as much as IAH, but still far more so than most.

In fact, the largest of all the energy companies (ExxonMobil) is based in DFW, not IAH
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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos