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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:18 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 49):
Don't be fooled, DFW is also a huuuuuge energy center.
Not as much as IAH, but still far more so than most.

In fact, the largest of all the energy companies (ExxonMobil) is based in DFW, not IAH
....as are EFH, ETE, and Atmos Energy-- all of them being Fortune500 energy companies.

True, but XOM has less than 1,000 employees in that area, IIRC. It's basically corporate and nothing else in Las Colinas.

DFW does have some energy activity, but it's minor in scale when compared to IAH, both in terms of proportion of the area's economy and how it may affect air travel.

If DFW loses the EK A380, it will be moreso due to increased competition (which also hurt yields at IAH) rather than energy-related reasons.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:36 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 49):
In fact, the largest of all the energy companies (ExxonMobil) is based in DFW, not IAH
....as are EFH, ETE, and Atmos Energy-- all of them being Fortune500 energy companies.

The HQ is in Irving, but they have about 600 employees in Irving vs. 12,000 in Houston. BIG difference.

Quoting YoungDon (Reply 50):
DFW does have some energy activity, but it's minor in scale when compared to IAH, both in terms of proportion of the area's economy and how it may affect air travel.

Unless these people live in Texas and know it on a local level, they wont be able to tell exactly how much Houston dwarfs DFW when it comes to O&D/Energy jobs. DFW, on the other hand, has a far more diverse economy.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:02 pm

Meanwhile, a different (wooden) shoe has dropped, as KLM is pulling out of DFW, according to RoutesOnline. That might imply a change of gauge for Emirates there.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:22 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 52):

That implies nothing. I'm not even sure which point you're trying to make. EK up- or down-gauge?

KLM drops so other airlines will too? Obviously not. If anything this gives EK more market share for Asia connections.
KLM drops so EK increases DFW? Obviously not. Their load factors aren't anywhere close to being full.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting toxtethogrady (Reply 52):
Meanwhile, a different (wooden) shoe has dropped, as KLM is pulling out of DFW, according to RoutesOnline. That might imply a change of gauge for Emirates there.

IF EK downgages DFW, it wont have one thing to do with KL. Nor does what youre saying hold any water. It implies nothing.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:56 pm

Quoting AT (Reply 39):
how much cargo can a 77W carry relative to an A380?

It depends. On a 6 to 12 hour mission, the 77W can use its larger holds to carry more freight, quite a lot more actually at the shorter end of the spectrum. On a +12 hour mission, however, it starts evening out. The aircraft can only carry a certain amount of combined fuel and payload weight, more fuel equals less available payload. When the 77W, and the A380 too for that matter, are out flying for 15 hours, there's little to no available payload left after you've loaded the passengers, their bags and the not inconsiderable amount of fuel needed to cart 400 people 'half way round the world' at 85% the speed of sound.

So it's not for that reason EK would chose to downgrade an A380 DXB-IAH service to a B777 ditto.

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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:33 pm

Didn't IAH make another gate 380 capable specifically for EK?
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:44 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 56):
Didn't IAH make another gate 380 capable specifically for EK?

They sure did. So let the speculation begin. My money is on BA along with 772 service instead of 2x daily 744.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:46 pm

EK don't have enough A380's at present. Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN thread might explain where IAH allocation is headed, and source of 77W.

77W is certainly no way to encourage Y and J passenger switch to EK, so business building will have to be fought on price, service and connections, until A380 capacity becomes available again.
 
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:51 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 57):

They sure did. So let the speculation begin. My money is on BA along with 772 service instead of 2x daily 744.

Thats not exactly how it works. Its not like one carrier takes a 380 away so that means one will come in.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:03 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 51):

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 49):
In fact, the largest of all the energy companies (ExxonMobil) is based in DFW, not IAH
....as are EFH, ETE, and Atmos Energy-- all of them being Fortune500 energy companies.

The HQ is in Irving, but they have about 600 employees in Irving vs. 12,000 in Houston. BIG difference.

  . Sort of like how Boeing HQ is in Chicago but really most of the employees are in the SEA-area with some in other locations.
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RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:42 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 59):

I know, but the speculation is inevitable. Just thought I'd give it a kick start. Although I'd say BA is the most likely next 380 operator in IAH. I bet the city is posses that they spend all that money on another 380 gate only to have the service for a year.
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:34 am

Anyone got numbers on capacity on these flights? I've been doing trips for friend to IAH from an event and for the last couple of days, EK has been full. Today, I believe they may have bumped passengers. (Not sure, but it looks like it as folks were arguing that they had to get to their destination)
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Re: RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:21 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Quoting hohd (Reply 25):Unlike the last bust in oil prices, this time Houston is less reliant on oil and gas industry. However there has been across the board cut on international travel, especially business class even for non oil companies.
Indeed there have been great strides, but if you look at the cost of real estate around here (which is considered a good measuring point), were going to feel it until this recovers.

Below are the most diverse economies in the US listed from most to least. Houston doesnt fare too bad, but there is room for improvement for sure:

Denver: .85
San Antonio: .82
Atlanta: .82
Chicago: .81
Nashville: .80
Phoenix: .79
Dallas: .79
Minneapolis: .78
Tampa: .76
Raleigh: .76
Portland, OR: .75
Philadelphia: .75
Columbus, OH: .73
San Francisco: .73
Austin: .68
Charlotte: .67
Boston: .65
San Diego: .64
Miami: .63
New York City: .62
Houston: .61
Memphis: .55
Detroit: .55
Los Angeles: .55
Washington DC: .50
Seattle: .39
Orlando: .30
San Jose: .23

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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:13 pm

indcwby wrote:
Anyone got numbers on capacity on these flights? I've been doing trips for friend to IAH from an event and for the last couple of days, EK has been full. Today, I believe they may have bumped passengers. (Not sure, but it looks like it as folks were arguing that they had to get to their destination)



According to seatguru.com, the EK 77W they're flying to IAH has 8F / 42J / 304Y
 
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Re: RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:25 pm

DolphinAir747 wrote:
Quoting AT (Reply 39):Not sure about the cargo yields though: how much cargo can a 77W carry relative to an A380?
Waaaaaaaay more cargo.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. When EK used to send the 77W to LAX they had to block seats but the 388 can go with a full pax load and maybe a small amount of cargo. IAH is only a couple of hundred miles less, so it would be similar situation. The 77W will have way more capacity, but will not be able to use it.
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:39 pm

I'm thinking when EK finally takes delivery of their new 779's , DFW and IAH might be one
of the first routes they put those big birds on.
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:56 pm

EK is not the only airline downgauging IAH on July 1st, 2016.

KLM has downgraded AMS-IAH from daily B744M to A332 on several days a week.

This airline has been operating daily B747 to IAH for nearly 40 years.

- 2016-07-14 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFE)
- 2016-07-13 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOB)
- 2016-07-12 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOD)
- 2016-07-11 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-10 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFI)
- 2016-07-09 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-08 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:15 pm

factsonly wrote:
EK is not the only airline downgauging IAH on July 1st, 2016.

KLM has downgraded AMS-IAH from daily B744M to A332 on several days a week.

This airline has been operating daily B747 to IAH for nearly 40 years.

- 2016-07-14 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFE)
- 2016-07-13 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOB)
- 2016-07-12 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOD)
- 2016-07-11 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-10 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFI)
- 2016-07-09 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-08 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)

Surprised this was not noted earlier. Never expected to see an IAH regular like KL scale back, AF and others, yes, but KL.....wow! I guess IAH is really on the skids.
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:10 pm

factsonly wrote:
EK is not the only airline downgauging IAH on July 1st, 2016.

KLM has downgraded AMS-IAH from daily B744M to A332 on several days a week.

This airline has been operating daily B747 to IAH for nearly 40 years.

- 2016-07-14 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFE)
- 2016-07-13 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOB)
- 2016-07-12 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOD)
- 2016-07-11 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-10 AMS - IAH B744 (PH-BFI)
- 2016-07-09 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)
- 2016-07-08 AMS - IAH A332 (PH-AOM)

This change is only for a few days in July

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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:57 pm

Even if it was a permanent switch...it's a seat difference of what...15-20 seats...
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:05 am

thomasphoto60 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
EK is not the only airline downgauging IAH on July 1st, 2016.

KLM has downgraded AMS-IAH from daily B744M to A332 on several days a week.

This airline has been operating daily B747 to IAH for nearly 40 years.


Surprised this was not noted earlier. Never expected to see an IAH regular like KL scale back, AF and others, yes, but KL.....wow! I guess IAH is really on the skids.


KLM previously cut back IAH operations several years ago. For about 5 years, in addition to their daily 744 combi AMS-IAH, they operated an all-business class 737-700/BBJ (wet-leased from PrivatAir) about 5 days a week. They dropped that flight in 2011 and replaced it fairly briefly with an A330-200 but then dropped the A330 flight, leaving only the original daily 744 combi for the past few years.
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:34 am

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indcwby wrote:
Anyone got numbers on capacity on these flights? I've been doing trips for friend to IAH from an event and for the last couple of days, EK has been full. Today, I believe they may have bumped passengers. (Not sure, but it looks like it as folks were arguing that they had to get to their destination)
]


DXB-IAH on a not so good day is 16hrs. An EK 77W is good for ~37t payload or close to max passenger load. The 575t A380 is good for ~ 53t again about max passenger in a 485 seat configuration. Any cargo will be dependent on the load factor on the day. Yr to date May 31st EK's load factor based on a 485 seat A380 was just under 70%. A 77W would have been full on every flight.
 
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Re: RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:58 am

Revelation wrote:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):Wow - 3rd daily A380 at MUC! Guess the catchment market is strong in Bayern!
It means that it's the best use EK can find for the A380.

It will be interesting to see where they end up going forward, because they're going to get an awful lot more in the near future.

71st A380 was delivered to EK on Dec 11th.

22 of the next 24 A380s off the line go to EK, 32 of the next 40.

That's a lot of routes to find.

Ref: http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html


There is a rumor they are short on flight attendants so a lot of those planes are just sitting on the ground now. They made massive cuts yesterday because they are way short of flight attendants. Wouldn't be surprised if all these planes are on the ground for a long time after each flight.
 
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Re: RE: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Fri Jul 15, 2016 5:41 am

hayzel777 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 6):Wow - 3rd daily A380 at MUC! Guess the catchment market is strong in Bayern!
It means that it's the best use EK can find for the A380.

It will be interesting to see where they end up going forward, because they're going to get an awful lot more in the near future.

71st A380 was delivered to EK on Dec 11th.

22 of the next 24 A380s off the line go to EK, 32 of the next 40.

That's a lot of routes to find.

Ref: http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html


There is a rumor they are short on flight attendants so a lot of those planes are just sitting on the ground now. They made massive cuts yesterday because they are way short of flight attendants. Wouldn't be surprised if all these planes are on the ground for a long time after each flight.


I don't think they are short of FA's. They are currently on a hiring freeze until October so they may have too much staff. However there is a big shortage of pilots at EK and this could be a reason for the reductions.
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:16 pm

And DFW was next. EK has discontinued A380 flying to Texas for the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: Emirates To Switch IAH To B77W From 01JUL16

Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:27 pm

EK was set to resume 380 service to DFW in Sept, but that's
been postponed until sometime next March 2017, but I'm
not holding my breath

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