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WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:36 pm

I understand from a passenger who was onboard that WN1571 (HOU-BNA) ran off the runway on landing at BNA and that passengers evacuated via slides. There's no media coverage that I can find yet.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:58 pm

I cant find anything neither.. According to FR24 it should be N264LV (-700)..
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:13 am

I've seen (but can't yet post) a couple of pictures. R1 is open with a slide deployed. L1 is closed. L2 is open, and I can't see whether there's a slide deployed there. The aircraft is all the way off the pavement. I haven't yet figured out where on the airport it is, but it appears from flighaware that they landed on a 2, and I think 2R is still closed.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:16 am

News 2 just had a quick live shot. Hard to tell because of the darkness and all the flashing lights, but it looks like it was landing to the north on 2C and it happened near FedEx

[Edited 2015-12-15 16:19:49]
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:18 am

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 1):
I cant find anything neither.. According to FR24 it should be N264LV (-700)..

Pictures I've seen so far are of a 737-300
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:19 am

Certainly hope all are ok and whatnot. I half thought about going there today, would have seen something out of ordinary.
Have a good day.

[Edited 2015-12-15 16:29:07]
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:22 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 4):
Pictures I've seen so far are of a 737-300

Yup . . . WKRN has a shot on their home page. There's definitely no WiFi hump.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:27 am

I've seen a couple more pictures, and I think it's sitting between 2R and B near 13-31.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:28 am

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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:31 am

Twitter friends seem to think it was WN31 HOU-BNA instead. That would make it N649SW. Can anyone else confirm?
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:38 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 9):
Twitter friends seem to think it was WN31 HOU-BNA instead. That would make it N649SW. Can anyone else confirm?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA31

States that it pushed from gate 21 mins, still heading to JAX.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:39 am

Quoting indcwby (Reply 8):

More likely nose gear departure when it hit the ditch.. I doubt highly they just 'missed' the turn off. I'd lean towards brake failure, tire failure...or excessive braking with loss of control.

[Edited 2015-12-15 16:42:58]
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:58 am

Confirmed to be WN31.

The FAA released a statement tonight, which reads, "Southwest Airlines 31, a Boeing 737 aircraft, rolled off a taxiway into the grass and got stuck while taxiing to its gate at Nashville International Airport at 5:30 pm Central Time. Passengers left the aircraft via stairs and were bussed to the terminal. The flight just landed from Houston Hobby Airport. The FAA is investigating."

http://abc13.com/news/southwest-airl...nashville-goes-off-runway/1124159/
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:58 am

Quoting n797mx (Reply 9):
Twitter friends seem to think it was WN31 HOU-BNA instead. That would make it N649SW. Can anyone else confirm?

It was 31. I had an arrival time but looked at BNA-HOU flights for the flight number. Looks like it landed on 20R. The taxiway sign above appears to be the intersection of J and T4, which most of the way to the terminal on a typical taxi in.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
I doubt highly they just 'missed' the turn off. I'd lean towards brake failure, tire failure...or excessive braking with loss of control.

It seems like they'd been taxiing for a while if I'm reading that taxiway sign correctly.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:27 am

In before the "Is it a write off?" posts.

Hope everyone is okay.
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:32 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 14):
In before the "Is it a write off?" posts.

Hope everyone is okay.

Funny you should say that, with it possibly being a 733, would it be easier to consider it a write off? 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:37 am

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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:43 am

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 14):

Local news is reporting two minor. My guess.. Evac Slide burns. They hurt.

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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:47 am

Flaps and slats are extended. That suggests that this occurred shortly after landing before they had been taxiing too long or the flaps and slats would be retracted.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:09 am

It was definitely a 300. Hopefully all ok
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:17 am

Quoting indcwby (Reply 10):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):

Flaps and slats are extended. That suggests that this occurred shortly after landing before they had been taxiing too long or the flaps and slats would be retracted.


The flaps would also have been extended during an evacuation.
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:20 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Flaps and slats are extended. That suggests that this occurred shortly after landing before they had been taxiing too long or the flaps and slats would be retracted.

Good observation.

It's possible they simply forgot to retract them or extended them for the evac. But I agree that the most likely explanation is what you stated.

19 posts without a "WN taxi speed" comment?

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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:33 am

Here are an article that says 8 were injured. Glad nobody was seriously hurt!

http://www.komonews.com/news/nationa...otos-Southwest-jet--362543851.html
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:47 am

Our good friends at Yahoo News have it titled as:

Southwest Jet Crashes on Tennessee Runway....
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:12 am

This is one of the youngest 300's so hopefully repairs will be made
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:31 am

"We're now evacuating passengers holding positions A31 through 60....passengers holding positions B1 through 30 please line up in numerical order behind the A group...."
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:38 am

This was "trending" on Facebook, and it said

Quote:
Southwest Airlines Plane Lands Off Runway in Tennessee

which is definitely a bit different and dramatic than what looks like actually happened. Hope everyone on board got off okay.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:50 am

I just saw a poorly written article about this. It didn't make it clear if the plane went off the runway during rollout or while taxing to the gate. My favorite line from the article "Injuries reported after plane lands off runway at Nashville International Airport" makes it sound like the plane landed in a field or something.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:57 am

There is a photo at http://wreg.com/2015/12/15/flight-crash-lands-in-nashville/ that looks like the gear on the starboard sign are mostly OK.

https://localtvwreg.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/flight1.jpg?w=700
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:42 pm

I wonder if this had been converted to mud and snow tires that WN uses for their annual off-roading season?
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:17 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 30):
I wonder if this had been converted to mud and snow tires that WN uses for their annual off-roading season?

You, sir, win the prize for best comment.

This morning, I've heard that the landing and most of the taxi were normal. It sounds like a missed turn. Whether that was caused by pilot error or something wrong with the airplane is, I suppose, the key question.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:57 pm

It appears that both engines hit the ground so they will have to be pulled. Have not been able to locate a good shot of the sides of the aircraft to see if the fuselage broke or was wrinkled. That would be an expensive repair.

Just glad everyone is safe.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:31 pm

Hopefully the nose gear isn't sitting in the E/E bay.

Edit: just read it has craned out and towed.

[Edited 2015-12-16 09:45:21]
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Thread starter):
There's no media coverage that I can find yet.

Courtesy: Fox News Channel

Southwest Airlines Plane Skids Off Taxiway At Nashville Airport

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16...at-nashville-airport/?intcmp=hpbt3


Courtesy: WKRN-TV

Investigation Underway After Plane Goes Off Taxiway At Nashville Airport

http://wkrn.com/2015/12/16/investiga...-off-taxiway-at-nashville-airport/


Courtesy: WTVF-TV

Investigation Ongoing After Plane Veers Off Taxiway

http://www.newschannel5.com/news/loc...going-after-plane-veers-off-runway
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:01 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 35):

Well, 18 hours later after he posted it of course there is now
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 35):

Based on the images of it sitting on the pad after being towed, it looks like there is minimal damage. The skin looks fine to me so more than likely it will be the gear, engines and probably the radome that receive the most work.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:29 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 17):
Local news is reporting two minor. My guess.. Evac Slide burns. They hurt.

Interesting. And normally I'd agree.... but how can there be slide burns on a 737 that sits on the ground without its front gear? The deployed slide seems almost level and not too long.

Chest pains is probably excitement from the event than directly caused by the accident. Unless of course there was a significant drop or sudden stop -- both of which could hurt people inside as they hit themselves to the next seats etc.
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:43 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 38):
Interesting. And normally I'd agree.... but how can there be slide burns on a 737 that sits on the ground without its front gear? The deployed slide seems almost level and not too long.

Anecdotally, I've heard that at least one of the slides was pretty steep during the evacuation. The more interesting question is what prompted an emergency evacuation. There obviously was no fire.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:28 pm

I'm almost 100% positive they went into one of the huge holes at the ramp enteance. They are very deep and difficult to see at night. If you try to cut across what looks like empty ramp space, it's very easy to taxi into it. This could have been much worse. It looks like the taxiway edge lights might have been inop as well.

Also, video here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/NC5_ChrisConte/status/677187045324902403/video/1

[Edited 2015-12-16 13:30:15]

[Edited 2015-12-16 13:30:28]
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:40 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 22):
Here are an article that says 8 were injured. Glad nobody was seriously hurt!

I wonder if there were 8 attorneys on the flight...
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:43 pm

According to some local reports, there is apparently some debate as to whether or not the taxiway lights were illuminated at the time of the incident. And local TV reports said that the NTSB is "monitoring" the investigation.

My question is: How could this happen? And under what circumstances would the NTSB "monitor" an investigation like this?

Click the following link. The raw video is near the bottom of the page. It is not terribly clear, but the incident is easy to see.

http://wkrn.com/2015/12/15/southwest...s-off-runway-at-nashville-airport/
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting usscvr (Reply 40):
And under what circumstances would the NTSB "monitor" an investigation like this?

They need a damage estimate to determine whether they are going to investigate or leave the investigation to FAA.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:37 pm

Quoting usscvr (Reply 40):
According to some local reports, there is apparently some debate as to whether or not the taxiway lights were illuminated at the time of the incident. And local TV reports said that the NTSB is "monitoring" the investigation.

My question is: How could this happen? And under what circumstances would the NTSB "monitor" an investigation like this?

Click the following link. The raw video is near the bottom of the page. It is not terribly clear, but the incident is easy to see.

See my comment above. I've flown into BNA many times at night and there large holes (I'm told from an old rock quarry) that are so deep and dark at night that they look like empty ramp space. If the lights weren't on it would be VERY easy to do this if you "cut across" the ramp to the gate.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:43 pm

Quoting usscvr (Reply 40):
According to some local reports, there is apparently some debate as to whether or not the taxiway lights were illuminated at the time of the incident.

From what I can tell its a taxilane. No requirement for lights. Its very possible the crew had no idea they were departing a movement area and they are very lucky they didn't continue down the ditch.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 43):

From what I can tell its a taxilane. No requirement for lights. Its very possible the crew had no idea they were departing a movement area and they are very lucky they didn't continue down the ditch.

The yellow taxiway center lines are usually a safe bet to keep you on the hard surface.....stray off the centerline in an effort to cut a corner and all bets are off. So the crew would have a very good idea they were in no mans land. That's assuming they cut a corner. I'm sure the investigation will find the cause.
 
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:23 pm

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 44):


The yellow taxiway center lines are usually a safe bet to keep you on the hard surface.....stray off the centerline in an effort to cut a corner and all bets are off.

Unless they were faded and provided poor guidance. You'd be amazed how lazy airports can get with painting.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:06 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 37):
The more interesting question is what prompted an emergency evacuation. There obviously was no fire.

I'm going to guess someone initiated it. It seems like every time someone pops a slide on here, people always point out there was no fire or if there is a fire the question is always "what took so long?". Do you wait until the pilot comes out of the cockpit to go look out the windows over the wing to see if the integrity of the fuel tanks are ok? Or wait until there is a fire to evacuate?
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:29 pm

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 46):
Do you wait until the pilot comes out of the cockpit to go look out the windows over the wing to see if the integrity of the fuel tanks are ok? Or wait until there is a fire to evacuate?

I have heard some suggestions that the f/as initiated it without input from the flight deck. On the facts of this incident, that's somewhat concerning.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:30 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 47):
I have heard some suggestions that the f/as initiated it without input from the flight deck. On the facts of this incident, that's somewhat concerning.

For the record: FA's are trained to initiate an evacuation of the cabin on their own in several scenarios. I know NOTHING of this particular situation and I will not speculate on what did or did not happen and why it did or did not happen. Having said that: If FA's smell smoke, if the cabin attitude is highly irregular, if there's fuselage damage, if there's fire, if there's interior damage (dropped ceiling panels, overhead bins, bulkhead walls), if a passenger initiates an evac, and if there's no communication from the flight deck... then FA's can and should initiate an evacuation (taking into account all factors and conditions outside the aircraft). Also, if the aircraft is off the runway, at an odd attitude, the slides can be used as a means to deplane pax in a controlled manner since stairs wouldn't be useable. I don't know how this aircraft was evacuated, if it was URGENT, or non-emergent.
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RE: WN Runway Excursion At BNA

Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:50 pm

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 48):
I will not speculate on what did or did not happen and why it did or did not happen. Having said that: If FA's smell smoke, if the cabin attitude is highly irregular, if there's fuselage damage, if there's fire, if there's interior damage (dropped ceiling panels, overhead bins, bulkhead walls), if a passenger initiates an evac, and if there's no communication from the flight deck... then FA's can and should initiate an evacuation

The only thing on that list that was even arguably at issue in this accident was the cabin attitude, and I'm not sure evacuating a plane on the side of a hill in the dark is wise.

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 48):
I don't know how this aircraft was evacuated, if it was URGENT, or non-emergent.

I have it on pretty good authority that it was urgent.

Quoting usscvr (Reply 40):
And local TV reports said that the NTSB is "monitoring" the investigation.

NTSB is now leading the investigation.
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