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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:00 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 111):

The A320/321 NEO will all be registered in the ZK-OY? series.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:01 pm

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 7):
ZK-MVO has been purchased due to the need for extra capacity. The reason for the gap is that MVH tnru MVN have already been allocated in the technical manuals etc by ATR. MVO was the next unallocated rego. The aircraft will be having some pre-service mods carried out and a repaint prior to entering service late Jan/early Feb.

Would the pre-service mods include removing the antenna just behind the nose wheel. Guessing it's an HF antenna.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 149):
Thanks, saves me checking every day.

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 150):
The A320/321 NEO will all be registered in the ZK-OY? series.

Thanks. Will the ZK-OY_'s be split like the ZK-OK_'s (A to L for 77E's and M to Z for 77W's).

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:11 pm

Quoting PA515 (Reply 151):
Thanks. Will the ZK-OY_'s be split like the ZK-OK_'s (A to L for 77E's and M to Z for 77W's).

Yes. OYA-OYL are for the A320 and OYM--> for the A321.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:37 pm

Pure speculation on my part, but I would guess NZ would be going for the 321NEO for all of those 13 on order. It's a far more capable aircraft and the 320s on international have been around for a while - I'd imagine through simple organic passenger growth that the routes they're use don would be ready for a 321. Even if it involves misusing it on a few routes, probably beats having a small subfleet, and NZ has a history of just going for one model (ATRs, 737s, A320s).

Thoughts?

Actually, having just done a few domestic sectors, are the aprking bays at the existing domestic terminals sufficient for the 321's length, in the event they are also used on domestic routes from time to time?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:18 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 149):
This will allow complete removal of the B1900's from AKL for the final AKL-HL on the 8th Feb.

Yay! no longer have to check that its an B1900D before booking an Regional ex-AKL

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 153):
Pure speculation on my part, but I would guess NZ would be going for the 321NEO for all of those 13 on order. It's a far more capable aircraft and the 320s on international have been around for a while - I'd imagine through simple organic passenger growth that the routes they're use don would be ready for a 321. Even if it involves misusing it on a few routes, probably beats having a small subfleet, and NZ has a history of just going for one model (ATRs, 737s, A320s).

Agree - with maybe say 5x 321NEO order for Domestic? at the AM/PM peaking there an AKL-CHC, AKL-WLG flights every 20-30minutes.

Could an 321NEOLR do AKL-HNL? maybe it would be a good route daily, rather than an 789 a couple times an week.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:32 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 154):
Yay! no longer have to check that its an B1900D before booking an Regional ex-AKL

I will be sad to see them go. I love the 1-1 seats and the open cockpit  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:18 am

I'm more interested to see how long it will be until we see the A321 on the AKL-WLG route. The last few times I've done it the plane has been pretty much packed. And I can't see that there's many more slots available so it's time to look at upgauging. Who knows, maybe in 10 or 20 years they'll be upgauging to an A330. :p
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:48 am

Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 156):
I'm more interested to see how long it will be until we see the A321 on the AKL-WLG route. The last few times I've done it the plane has been pretty much packed. And I can't see that there's many more slots available so it's time to look at upgauging. Who knows, maybe in 10 or 20 years they'll be upgauging to an A330. :p

Even if in the short term they use the 763 on the early morning, and afternoon peak services. After all the 762 happily ended its life on AKL-CHC-AKL and AKL-SYD-AKL.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:03 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 154):
Could an 321NEOLR do AKL-HNL? maybe it would be a good route daily, rather than an 789 a couple times an week.

Would rather have the premium seating than frequency any day. The daytime flight in Biz (or PE when available) is quite a nice way to spend 8 hours!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:45 am

Quoting nz2 (Reply 158):

HNL will change shortly to an evening flight ex AKL with a daylight return.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 154):

HNL is 4 weekly now with 5 in July August, it will be 3 for the first few weeks when the 789 starts in May. I doubt the 321LR could do it. HNL-AKL is 9 hrs probably 9.5 for a 321.

AKL saw its first 748 today with KE commencing ops 3pw moving to daily for FEB before the 77W returns in March. Great looking aircraft!
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:07 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 157):
Quoting ZaphodHarkonnen (Reply 156):
I'm more interested to see how long it will be until we see the A321 on the AKL-WLG route. The last few times I've done it the plane has been pretty much packed. And I can't see that there's many more slots available so it's time to look at upgauging. Who knows, maybe in 10 or 20 years they'll be upgauging to an A330. :p

Even if in the short term they use the 763 on the early morning, and afternoon peak services. After all the 762 happily ended its life on AKL-CHC-AKL and AKL-SYD-AKL.

Yes, it would be great to see the 767 back on the trunk routes. I remember taking a number of 762 flights between AKL and WLG in the early 90s, always an enjoyable experience. Even ended up on a 763 once (last minute sub for a U/S 732). I'm assuming the the A321 will spend nearly all of it's time operating Tasman's ex AKL though?

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 145):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 139):

The data collected is irrelevant and really if it amused you you could put any country and any address on the departure card.

As someone who used to work for NZ Tourism Industry Association, Tourism NZ and is currently back as a journalist, I disagree with you on the efficacy of the data gleaned. I do however think there should be a smarter way of harvesting it that is also more useful and more user friendly. I use data in stories, or to give me background to stories, from statistics gathered at departure.

I don't see what all the fuss is about. You leave the county you fill the form out. Big deal. Looking at the information requested, it seems likely that it'll be of use to someone.

Quoting BlackLabel (Reply 141):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 139):
I have been observing closely on the cameras - It really has been diabolical this Christmas (not for me - I'm Mr OCD -4h checkin) but the queues have been bad. I blame the airport company more than the agencies

It's clearly busy, but the queues haven't been bad for me - perhaps I've just missed them each time.

Last departure I left town at 1630, drove to the airport, refueled and returned rental, and onto an 1830 flight without any great stress. Queued for 2-3 minutes at security, zero at passport control. Passport officer did mention they were expecting...28K? passengers through International that day.

While not a big user of AKL int, I do find it to be very user friendly. Work aside, in the last year, I've used it a half dozen times (mainly arriving or departing on EK) and I've never experienced any significant queuing or congestion. I haven't been through there over the Xmas period though. I did however depart WLG in early Jan on the morning QF service to BNE and spent thirty minutes queuing to get through departures.  
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 160):
Yes, it would be great to see the 767 back on the trunk routes. I remember taking a number of 762 flights between AKL and WLG in the early 90s, always an enjoyable experience. Even ended up on a 763 once (last minute sub for a U/S 732). I'm assuming the the A321 will spend nearly all of it's time operating Tasman's ex AKL though?

Only problem is the domestic terminal no longer has any gates capable of handling the 767. Operation would have to be a bus operation from a layover gate opposite Gates 2/4/6 at International. After this summer AIAL should be experts at bussing passengers.

With the new layout two gates at AKL Domestic are A321 capable. Air NZ could operate a limited A321 schedule during peak times. Depending on loadings they could be a waste operating a AKL-WLG-SYD-WLG-AKL service whereas they could operates AKL-SYD-CHC-SYD-AKL in a day.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:12 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 161):
With the new layout two gates at AKL Domestic are A321 capable. Air NZ could operate a limited A321 schedule during peak times

when does the A321 start arriving ?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:25 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 161):
With the new layout two gates at AKL Domestic are A321 capable. Air NZ could operate a limited A321 schedule during peak times. Depending on loadings they could be a waste operating a AKL-WLG-SYD-WLG-AKL service whereas they could operates AKL-SYD-CHC-SYD-AKL in a day.

The two options you mention look like a variation on the same theme to me? I was under the impression that the A321's would spend the vast majority of their time operating AKL-SYD-AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-NAN-AKL-MEL-AKL etc. More so, if they have a business class cabin, although I don't think that's confirmed yet? Occasional use elsewhere as required.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 161):
Only problem is the domestic terminal no longer has any gates capable of handling the 767. Operation would have to be a bus operation from a layover gate opposite Gates 2/4/6 at International. After this summer AIAL should be experts at bussing passengers.

 

Yes, I doubt we'll see the 767 anywhere near domestic operations, as cool as that would be.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:03 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
when does the A321 start arriving ?

2018 the first couple of A32XNEO frames are planned to be 321NEO, the rest the allocation could still change.

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 163):
I was under the impression that the A321's would spend the vast majority of their time operating AKL-SYD-AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-NAN-AKL-MEL-AKL etc. More so, if they have a business class cabin, although I don't think that's confirmed yet? Occasional use elsewhere as required.

In an recent survey they we're asking about PE on the 321NEO asking you to select from an 2-2 PE (current Long Haul Style) or 3-3 with the middle seat blocked with an table (Euro Business Converter Seats).

My gut feeling is that they will go with converter seats to allow fleet flexibility, e.g in winter peak AKL-ZQN could probably fill an 200 seat 321
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:08 pm

Quoting zkncj (Reply 164):
My gut feeling is that they will go with converter seats to allow fleet flexibility, e.g in winter peak AKL-ZQN could probably fill an 200 seat 321

Could only work domestically out of ZQN. I imagine the A321 would take a payload penalty due runway on a Transtasman sector. The A320's already have issued in certain weather conditions and divert to CHC or DUD for fuel.
Be interesting to see how ZQN will develop once evening flights are finally operating. Try and spread out the afternoon peak in ZQN.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:48 pm

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 165):
I imagine the A321 would take a payload penalty due runway on a Transtasman sector

If the runway is wet, the A321NEO takes a phenomenal payload hit. Even dry there are issues.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:54 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 164):

In an recent survey they we're asking about PE on the 321NEO asking you to select from an 2-2 PE (current Long Haul Style) or 3-3 with the middle seat blocked with an table (Euro Business Converter Seats).

My gut feeling is that they will go with converter seats to allow fleet flexibility, e.g in winter peak AKL-ZQN could probably fill an 200 seat 321

It's funny - Euro Converter seats on the 738 were a Tasman disaster for Virgin and they have gone for 2-2 Business Class recliners instead.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:57 am

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 167):
Euro Converter seats on the 738 were a Tasman disaster for Virgin

IIRC they were not "converter" seats, but just an empty middle seat (just like NZ does with Works Deluxe). The real converter seats have movable armrests, so that they can be moved towards the center, and the outer two seats have more width.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:59 am

Quoting Nouflyer (Reply 167):
It's funny - Euro Converter seats on the 738 were a Tasman disaster for Virgin and they have gone for 2-2 Business Class recliners instead.

I think that was more due to the price they we're charging, NZ seems to be selling PE at around more than Y which isn't bad for the level of service. On VA the service was pretty basic and overpice for an pie and coke and an empty middle seat.

On the Tasman they did have converter seats on the ZK fleet, with an fold down table on the middle seat.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:04 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 160):
I did however depart WLG in early Jan on the morning QF service to BNE and spent thirty minutes queuing to get through departures.

WLG customs departures is severly limited in the space possible, unless the massive fish tank is removed.

Re the A321's on domestic/Tasman routes, remember that NZ enjoy using the 772/77Ws on peak Tasman runs to enable a smooth flow for customers coming off North American services. Having wide bodies on peak services to Aussie certainly enables some premium domestic routes to offer A321 services. I'm not sure what peak services use B763s thou.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:15 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 170):

0700 and 1600 AKL-SYD are 763s, MEL gets a 763 on the 1530 service in NW while BNE gets it in the NS. MEL gets an extra 777 service some days as well at 1200 ex AKL, this flight also is an A320 or 763 some days.

While it is certainly possible for A321s to be on peak domestic I'm not sure they will at all, at this stage they are getting 3 in an order of 13 A320NEOs which replace 13 CEOs. I do expect more orders at some point though.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:40 pm

I hope they go with 2-3 rows of 2-2 seating on the A321 for Tasman flights...whether they call it Premium Economy of Business is yet to be seen however QF operate seats which are basically the same as their premium economy seats and they sell it as business on their 738.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:56 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 172):
I hope they go with 2-3 rows of 2-2 seating on the A321 for Tasman flights...whether they call it Premium Economy of Business is yet to be seen however QF operate seats which are basically the same as their premium economy seats and they sell it as business on their 738.

Problem with NZ calling it Business Class, is they now sell PE on the 777/787 services on AKL-SYD,MEL,BNE.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:43 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 173):

Take the custom built PE seats out of the 77W fleet and put them in the A321's for medium-haul. This'll give TT narrow bodies a unique premium experience and will make the PE experience consistent across the long haul fleet (with the exception of the 763).
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:04 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 164):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 163):
I was under the impression that the A321's would spend the vast majority of their time operating AKL-SYD-AKL-SYD-AKL and AKL-NAN-AKL-MEL-AKL etc. More so, if they have a business class cabin, although I don't think that's confirmed yet? Occasional use elsewhere as required.

In an recent survey they we're asking about PE on the 321NEO asking you to select from an 2-2 PE (current Long Haul Style) or 3-3 with the middle seat blocked with an table (Euro Business Converter Seats).

My gut feeling is that they will go with converter seats to allow fleet flexibility, e.g in winter peak AKL-ZQN could probably fill an 200 seat 321

Which leaves me wondering if the converter seats option is a competitive offering across the Tasman. I can see how it would appeal to the airline with it's flexibility but it's certainly a poor premium option compared to EK or even QF.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 171):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 170):

0700 and 1600 AKL-SYD are 763s, MEL gets a 763 on the 1530 service in NW while BNE gets it in the NS. MEL gets an extra 777 service some days as well at 1200 ex AKL, this flight also is an A320 or 763 some days.

While it is certainly possible for A321s to be on peak domestic I'm not sure they will at all, at this stage they are getting 3 in an order of 13 A320NEOs which replace 13 CEOs. I do expect more orders at some point though.

I agree, it's hard to sees them being used on peak domestic services, initially anyway.



Quoting 777ER (Reply 170):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 160):
I did however depart WLG in early Jan on the morning QF service to BNE and spent thirty minutes queuing to get through departures.

WLG customs departures is severly limited in the space possible, unless the massive fish tank is removed.

A good start perhaps? I was surprised at how busy it's been at WLG this year.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:43 am

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 174):

Those 77W Y+ seats are massive. Can't see how a 2-2 config would be possible unless they went with a 1-1 config or something like B6 or AA A321 J config

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 175):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 171):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 170):

0700 and 1600 AKL-SYD are 763s, MEL gets a 763 on the 1530 service in NW while BNE gets it in the NS. MEL gets an extra 777 service some days as well at 1200 ex AKL, this flight also is an A320 or 763 some days.

While it is certainly possible for A321s to be on peak domestic I'm not sure they will at all, at this stage they are getting 3 in an order of 13 A320NEOs which replace 13 CEOs. I do expect more orders at some point though.

I agree, it's hard to sees them being used on peak domestic services, initially anyway.

I haven't flown peak domestic services for over 12 months now but when I last did the flights were pretty full so its only going to get more busy. I would be very surprised if NZ doesn't use a 200 seat A321 to its advantage against JQ domestic

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 175):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 170):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 160):
I did however depart WLG in early Jan on the morning QF service to BNE and spent thirty minutes queuing to get through departures.

WLG customs departures is severly limited in the space possible, unless the massive fish tank is removed.

A good start perhaps? I was surprised at how busy it's been at WLG this year.

While I've always liked the fish tank especially while waiting for Customs before the current Customs area had its make over, I do believe the tank needs to go for further Customs/epassport machines booths especially with WIAL wanting further expansion.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:19 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 176):

Those 77W Y+ seats are massive. Can't see how a 2-2 config would be possible unless they went with a 1-1 config or something like B6 or AA A321 J config

They were designed to fit 2-2-2 on the 787 which supports 3-3-3 in Y so I don't see how they couldn't, particularly if using both windowside pairs.

They're angled.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:59 am

Y+ Space seats are heavy and take up a lot of space, and on a personallevel I find them uncomfortable. I'd rather they fitted the 787 style Y+
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:24 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 178):

I've not flown PE on the 77W, only on the original 9-abreast 77E seating, so good to know thank you.

With the new PE, are the dimensions such that they could fit 3-2 abreast in the A320 or would it be 2-2?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:29 pm

Quoting 777ER (Reply 176):
While I've always liked the fish tank especially while waiting for Customs before the current Customs area had its make over, I do believe the tank needs to go for further Customs/epassport machines booths especially with WIAL wanting further expansion.

Or New Zealand could remove this step from the departure process? for example in the UK/USA you don't need to go though customs on the outbound sector, they use airline data to process this.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:32 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 179):
With the new PE, are the dimensions such that they could fit 3-2 abreast in the A320 or would it be 2-2?

A320 has 143" cabin width. Using the wider 789 Y+ seat width of 19" and a 23" aisle it would be capable of taking 3-2. That is a nice configuration for the airline and not bad for the passengers too.

I trust that the spaceseat will be replaced in the not too distant future with the 772 refit style
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:48 pm

Hi Guys

I just looked for Great Barrier Air and saw that they are now Barrier Air. On the fleet page they don't have the Trislanders listed anymore. Are they gone? And if so, does anybody know where they are now?

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:14 pm

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Flyairasiaxwithben?src=hash&lang=en

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status/685902571483996160

These tweets suggest that AKL will be announced next week, via OOL.. March 23 seems to be the start date.

[Edited 2016-01-09 15:17:35]
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sat Jan 09, 2016 11:36 pm

There was a bit of a ruckus last week because of things Mr. Luxon said about the new Qantas/American SYD-LAX:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...y/a99bb108c04ef21f14b299390afcb69d

"Air New Zealand casts doubts on Qantas’s AA Sydney-San Francisco route"

The article was behind a paywall until now, and I suspect that a fair few who jumped on it had only read the headline, not the full article.

Now the article is free, and yes, he does suggest that SYD-SFO may have some issues, partly because SFO isn't an American hub, but also because:

“You will get a lot of frequent flyer miles being burnt which won’t be full-paying customers, that will be a bit of a challenge I suspect.”

Which isn't all that surprising because it's the same problem Qantas used to have with AKL-LAX, which was a favourite of award travellers.

But he says a lot more than that in the interview and it's worth getting past those first few paragraphs to get to the more interesting stuff, about Air NZ and Pacific Rim generally, and his attitude to Houston and China specifically:

"As for Mr Luxon, who presides over one of the top three investment grade airlines in the world along with Ryan Air and Southwest Airlines, his plan for the Kiwi carrier is to further tap Pacific Rim customers.

Mr Luxon said he had been quite “surgical” in his attitude ­towards Chinese inbound tourists, who are also flooding into Australia’s tourism sector.

“We want to change the mix of Chinese visitors coming to New Zealand; we don’t want low-volume group travel,” he says.

“We are being surgical about who we do and don’t want because of the commercial implications. It’s the same around the world. It’s same for the US. There is traffic that we sometimes reject because it’s low-yielding and unprofitable business.”"


I'm intrigued by the idea of them "rejecting traffic" - LOL - but he also talks about the way he runs the airline - as a business:

“Don’t make excuses for poor performance; fix the problems you have got.

“It doesn’t matter if it’s high fuel price, low fuel price, high foreign exchange, low foreign exchange, you make your business work and you make no excuses.”


There's nothing for anyone who wants hard news of new routes or aircraft purchases, but there's a lot more to the article than the headline implies.

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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:16 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 184):
Now the article is free, and yes, he does suggest that SYD-SFO may have some issues, partly because SFO isn't an American hub, but also because:

“You will get a lot of frequent flyer miles being burnt which won’t be full-paying customers, that will be a bit of a challenge I suspect.”

Which I read as: either he undervalues award tickets or the ticket prices themselves are overpriced. I wonder how LH "affords" to make a couple of First Class seats open for award travel using partner miles on most flights, whereas NZ has next to no award seats ever available for partner airlines. That also includes trans Tasman Y seats. Pity they'd rather offer grabaseats for $100 than put a few more award seats up,
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:24 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 185):
Which I read as: either he undervalues award tickets or the ticket prices themselves are overpriced. I wonder how LH "affords" to make a couple of First Class seats open for award travel using partner miles on most flights, whereas NZ has next to no award seats ever available for partner airlines. That also includes trans Tasman Y seats. Pity they'd rather offer grabaseats for $100 than put a few more award seats up,

I'm not the best person to discuss that with, because I think FF programs were an invention of the devil.  

mariner
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 12:59 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 185):
Which I read as: either he undervalues award tickets or the ticket prices themselves are overpriced. I wonder how LH "affords" to make a couple of First Class seats open for award travel using partner miles on most flights, whereas NZ has next to no award seats ever available for partner airlines. That also includes trans Tasman Y seats. Pity they'd rather offer grabaseats for $100 than put a few more award seats up,

I didn't think the Lufthansa Group was doing the best on the money side recently? e.g. they are trying to cut cost etc but have ended up with crew strikes etc. Just because LH makes the award seats in F, doesn't mean there not losing money on these seats. Recently flew LH Long-Haul are there we're selling tracky inflight upgrades to PE at 300euro PP.

Maybe the cost per seat that NZ gets on award is lower, than what they can get buy selling an $100 GrabaSeat? Also the $129 GrabaSeat has more brand value to them on the Tasman, than an one time award passenger from say LH.

The person that brought the $129 AKL-SYD, is likely to be from the local market who in turn will give the airline more free local marketing e.g. word of mouth, social media etc. They are also likely to purchase additional services, that aren't going to purchased by an award passenger from say LH. On the way home they might decided to purchase an bag, then an drink on the plane followed by the $10 to watch an movie.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:08 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 183):
https://twitter.com/hashtag/Flyairasiaxwithben?src=hash&lang=en

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/status/685902571483996160

These tweets suggest that AKL will be announced next week, via OOL.. March 23 seems to be the start date.


I wonder what NZ will do? AKL-OOL get upgraded to an 763?
Looks like MH's fate to AKL is now sealed
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:08 am

Not to mention people are still addicted to Airpoints regardless of reward availability.

Why give it away if there's no vocal complaints?
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:12 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 189):
Not to mention people are still addicted to Airpoints regardless of reward availability.

Whats wrong with award availability with Airpoints? I typically get the Tasman and Domestic return free on airpoints ever year.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:25 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 190):

I don't know, I'm not a member. I was replying to previous posts without really paying a lot of attention
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:31 am

Quoting coolian2 (Reply 191):
I don't know, I'm not a member. I was replying to previous posts without really paying a lot of attention

On Airpoints members can redeem there points on any seat on NZ, where as they restrict the availability to other *A members wishing to redeem on NZ.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:34 am

 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:15 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 188):
AKL-OOL get upgraded to an 763?

Read Mariners post in reply 184. One passage sums up perfectly what the answer is.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 3:26 am

I was looking at EZE and connecting flights to some other South American destinations and it looks like NZ is only codesharing with AR in Economy. Even if you purchase a Business fare you will still be seated in Economy on AR services. And Airpoints earning is limited to just Sao Paulo and Rio. They have also removed AC, AV & TK connections on their website. Very frustrating. I wonder why that is. Why is the relationship with AR so constrained? What good does it do to connections? Looking at the AR website, it seems that AR members can earn miles on the entire NZ network.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:02 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 190):
Whats wrong with award availability with Airpoints? I typically get the Tasman and Domestic return free on airpoints ever year.

What's wrong with Airpoints award availability is that they have virtually zero award availability. They trick you into believe that redeeming any seat for sale is 100% award availability. In a conventional FFP, using points to redeem a revenue fare is the worst way to use your points. You might find it easy to redeem a short haul flight using Airpoints because the majority of the fare is made up with taxes. Try using Airpoints on NZ long haul you will know what I mean.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 192):
On Airpoints members can redeem there points on any seat on NZ, where as they restrict the availability to other *A members wishing to redeem on NZ.

They restrict the same to Airpoints members only most Airpoints members don't know this or don't have the time to get to the bottom of it. Refer to above. If it was another airline, members would have complained to death already.
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:38 am

r.e Air Asia here are the times for the "New Service" all ex AKL - the first flight is set for the 23rd March

Daily D70207 AKL OOL 17:00 17:25 23 March 2016 26 Mar 2016
Daily D70207 AKL OOL 17:30 18:00 27 March 2016 02 Apr 2016

Aircraft type - ??


http://www.airasia.com/ot/en/where-we-fly/flight-schedule.page

as the website goes " Hold on!

Looks like the flights for this date are unavailable or sold out. Please select another date or refer to our flight schedule
for details. For flights departing within the next 4 hours, please visit your nearest airport sales counter. "

We shall have to wait until Tuesday for the conformation
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 7:44 am

well think this got missed or I'm sleepy when I look on here.

"Air China NS16 Auckland Operation Changes"

Air China has updated planned operation for Beijing – Auckland for Northern summer 2016 season,
effective 27MAR16. During Northern summer, the Star Alliance member will operate this route 4 times a week instead of 7,
based on seasonal demand.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/14/ca-akl-s16/
 
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RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 169

Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:26 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 198):
well think this got missed or I'm sleepy when I look on here.

"Air China NS16 Auckland Operation Changes"

Air China has updated planned operation for Beijing – Auckland for Northern summer 2016 season,
effective 27MAR16. During Northern summer, the Star Alliance member will operate this route 4 times a week instead of 7,
based on seasonal demand.

Could be due to aircraft shortage given the unprecedented number of new long haul routes CA will launch to both North America and Europe this year so they would have to prioritise.

[Edited 2016-01-10 01:27:36]

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