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Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:41 am

Emirates announces A380 to the following destinations

BHX - 27MAR16 2 class
TPE, PRG - 01MAY16. TPE is 2 class A380 and PRG is 3 class
Second daily BCN 01JUN16 3 class

http://www.planes.cz/cs/article/8750...rahy-svuj-nejvetsi-typ-airbus-a380
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...80-fly-birmingham-airport-10611920

[Edited 2015-12-17 01:46:03]
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:24 am

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
Second daily BCN 01JUN16 3 class

It's quite amazing that, less than four years after starting BCN in July 2012 with a 77W, EK will be now sending two daily A380s to BCN. Wow.
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:36 am

Quoting ojas (Thread starter):
TPE, PRG - 01MAY16. TPE is 2 class A380 and PRG is 3 class

Fantastic!

EK's A380 is going to look pretty massive surrounded by all those OK ATRs and A319s 
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:49 pm

Wow. BHX, BCN and TPE I can understand upgauging to A380 (to an extent) but PRG is a surprise!

Incredible operation by EK!
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:56 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 1):
It's quite amazing that, less than four years after starting BCN in July 2012 with a 77W, EK will be now sending two daily A380s to BCN. Wow.

Similar scenario with AMS ...except that the Dutch govt seems loath to approve EK's second A380 flight.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:06 pm

Great for EK! Exciting times!
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 2:18 pm

Wow I am so happy for Taipei to finally secure a scheduled A380 flight.
No surprise that EK will the best first one, and from what I heard, the flight was doing very well.

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Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:32 pm

Unbelievable, few years ago PRG was operated by an 332, the smallest plane in EK's fleet.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:45 pm

Nice! This will be the first regularly scheduled A380 service to Taipei TPE! Maybe I should do LAX-DXB-TPE for my next visit home.    

[Edited 2015-12-17 07:47:28]
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:27 pm

An A380 to PRG seems like overkill but what do I know.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:36 pm

If they can do this in Europe it's no wonder that American aviation (and just about everyone else - with good reason) is running scared. But I have to say (having used them twice)- they ain't half good! Best of luck I say.A ballanced fleet of A380's and 777X's - unbeatable!
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:06 pm

Pretty much every airline has the potential to be EK. The problem is no one thought big enough or had the vision. Even now most airlines are thinking small permitting EK to hoover up. BA could have up geared all their NYC flights to A380's wiped out all the competition but they haven't. EK have done it with LHR 5 A380's a day.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:40 pm

You know, every x weeks we have such threads "EK sends A380 here" .... "EK sends A380 there". But still I am always suprised and think "unbelievable"... It really feels like EK is changing the game, so many A380s in Europe every day, unbelievable...
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:59 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
Pretty much every airline has the potential to be EK. The problem is no one thought big enough or had the vision.

  
Nothing to do with vision. Geographic location is critical and very few hubs are as well positioned. Second, it takes political and social willingness to do it and in most democracies that's just not possible. Good luck establishing a connecting bank at 3am against the will of the population around LHR or CDG or FRA. Third, it takes very low salaries to be able to run at such low operating costs, something that would be unthinkable in Europe only 5 years ago although that is changing with the likes of DY but lets see how long it lasts.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 9):
An A380 to PRG seems like overkill but what do I know.

i'm scratching my head at that as well. the 3-class bird could be at least partially motivated by fleet constraints, but who's paying these premium fares out of PRG? the US3 don't even bother serving the airport, other than DL only seasonally.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:32 pm

Quoting hongkongflyer (Reply 7):
Unbelievable, few years ago PRG was operated by an 332, the smallest plane in EK's fleet.

Look at how EK managed to expand at AMS. Just a few years ago it was a B777-200. Theh came the A380, then came a second daily by B777-300ER and now EK wants x2 daily A380.

Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 14):
i'm scratching my head at that as well. the 3-class bird could be at least partially motivated by fleet constraints, but who's paying these premium fares out of PRG? the US3 don't even bother serving the airport, other than DL only seasonally.

People said the same when EK brought in the A380 to MAN which is also not known as a premium market.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:06 pm

and Emirates will up-gauge the EK91/92 rotation to MXP from 77W to 388 from 1st Feb hence double daily 388 plus one 77W (and the JFK 388 of course)

Anyone knows how many 2 class 388 do they have now/are on order? It seems they are already flying everywhere...BHX, MAN, CPH, TPE....

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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 9):
An A380 to PRG seems like overkill but what do I know.

The same thing was said when KE was operating the 744 ICN-PRG.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:31 pm

I thought they would upgrade bhx as qatar start on march 30th with the 787.

They are upgrading the midday flight from bhx
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:05 pm

I would have expected HAM,OSL or LIS before PRG.
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting wingflex744 (Reply 16):
Anyone knows how many 2 class 388 do they have now/are on order? It seems they are already flying everywhere...BHX, MAN, CPH, TPE....

I believe it's 15. But EK may take more depending on demand.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:54 pm

I was expecting ATH for the busy high season. I am sure Emirates will ad an A380 on the ATH route pretty soon.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 9):
An A380 to PRG seems like overkill but what do I know.
Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 14):
i'm scratching my head at that as well. the 3-class bird could be at least partially motivated by fleet constraints, but who's paying these premium fares out of PRG? the US3 don't even bother serving the airport, other than DL only seasonally.

Sending the A380 to PRG may seem like overkill to some, but if one takes a look at the market, EK is taking the next logical step.

First, according to the Route Shop link below, PRG is, "one of the major hubs for Central and Eastern Europe. Long-term growth of passenger numbers, an excellent location in the heart of Europe along with Prague’s recognition as an attractive business and holiday destination represents a unique opportunity for air service development."

Additionally, the link also mentions that "Business travellers represent 40% of all passengers handled at Prague Airport. A steadily growing economy, stable and fair conditions, skilled workforce and low prices makes the Czech Republic very attractive in terms of investment. Over 130,000 Czech firms across all sectors are supported by foreign capital."

PRG is also quite an underserved market and per the links below, the top 10 unserved cities from the city include Bangkok, Tokyo, Hanoi, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and Colombo, which represent a combined potential flow of 128700 passengers in total, on a one way basis. EK effectively provides connectivity in DXB for these destinations (with the exception of Hanoi).

In addition, other internet searches will reveal a list of the top 50 unserved cities from PRG (list in PDF format), and it is easy to see that many of those cities can also be easily reached through connections in DXB.


So, taking into consideration that PRG is:

- highly underserved with many unserved markets missing direct air links.
- a major hub and gateway to Central Europe.
- one of the world's most popular tourist destinations,
- popular with a high number of business travelers (Many of whom will pay premium fares),


EK is seeing many opportunities in PRG and is only capitalizing on the potential of these opportunities. The introduction of A380 service to PRG seems to be a fit.



http://www.therouteshop.com/profiles/prague-airport/

http://www.prg.aero/en/business-sect...unserved-routes-map-and-midt-data/

http://www.routesonline.com/airports.../prague-airport/about/#mainContent
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:02 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 19):
I would have expected HAM,OSL or LIS before PRG.

PRG and TPE in the past few months finished the upgrades needed for A380 service. AFAIK, HAM/OSL/LIS aren't A380-ready airports.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:07 pm

Quoting Lesfalls (Reply 19):
I would have expected HAM,OSL or LIS before PRG.

I don't think LIS is capable of handling an A380. This is about as close as an A380 will come to LIS in the near future  
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:13 pm

By the end of this decade, the list of European airports served by EK on a 3-daily basis and 100% 388 is likely to be much bigger than nowadays

- AMS (vs. 2-daily 388)
- BCN (vs. 2-daily 388)
- BHX (vs. 1-daily 388 + 2-daily 77W)
- DUB (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- DUS (vs. 1-daily 388 + 1-daily 77W)
- FRA (vs. 1-daily 388 + 2-daily 77W)
- GLA (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- HAM (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- IST (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- LIS (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- MAD (vs. 1-daily 388 + 1-daily 77W)
- MAN (vs. 2-daily-388 + 1-daily 77W)
- MXP (vs. 2-daily-388 + 1-daily 77W)
- MOW (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- MUC (vs. 2-daily-388 + 1-daily 77W)
- CDG (vs 2 daily + 6-weekly, all 388)
- FCO (vs. 1-daily 388 + 2-daily 77W)
- VIE (vs. 2-daily 77W)
- WAW (vs. 1-daily 77W)
- ZRH (vs. 2-daily 388)

[Edited 2015-12-17 15:41:35]
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):

Nothing to do with vision. Geographic location is critical and very few hubs are as well positioned. Second, it takes political and social willingness to do it and in most democracies that's just not possible. Good luck establishing a connecting bank at 3am against the will of the population around LHR or CDG or FRA. Third, it takes very low salaries to be able to run at such low operating costs, something that would be unthinkable in Europe only 5 years ago although that is changing with the likes of DY but lets see how long it lasts.

Couldn't say it better!! Here is where the gulf states have an edge in leadership and a longterm vision to do the things that are nearly impossible in a lot of western countries.

In general I get what EK is doing and basically these are the steps that need to be done for their business model to succeed.

The only thing that surprises me is that a lot of times when I check flights in economy with EK, they come out as the most expensive option. It must be the "apple effect" with great marketing that people are willing to pay a premium just to fly them even when I get cheaper or similar priced options on QR or EY on the same routes.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:31 am

When will the EK expansion machine peak? Is my question.
Another 5 years to go? With like double daily A380 to Vilnius or Thessaloniki or Bilbao...?

Which secondary Euro airports are pitching to EK at the moment? And is it a blessing in disguise?
And the same questions still applies: Why do people want to sit and shop at 3am in the morning, at DXB, rather than going direct?
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:25 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 9):
An A380 to PRG seems like overkill

Well, what ELSE are they going to do with all of these ones coming in? Only so many routes to N.Am or Australia to send 'em on, so Europe it is.

I wouldn't be surprised to see it become the default aircraft, for any mature EK gateway with the facilities to handle it.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:31 am

PRG... yes they have the network. They probably expect to take half of the Asia/Middle East demand from/to PRG. Considering the network and at peak season the A380 will easily be full. Lufthansa is not going to be happy...

[Edited 2015-12-17 19:32:14]
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:37 am

Quoting rnav2dlrey (Reply 14):
PRG? the US3 don't even bother serving the airport, other than DL only seasonally.

Last time I looked (admittedly around 5 weeks ago) DL was upping the PRG flight from 76W in NS15 to a 764 in NS16. So there must be something going on in PRG. I dunno what. But there must be something!
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:56 am

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
  
Nothing to do with vision.

Still many airlines could get close to what EK achieves, including in western nations:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Geographic location is critical

The planet is a round, most of the time an airline is between big flows but does not believe they can push people to make a stop or believe people would not choose to travel on itinerary 50% longer. This is not true as demonstrated by many airlines and not only the ME ones.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Good luck establishing a connecting bank at 3am

The optimum banks are rarely at the middle of the night.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Third, it takes very low salaries to be able to run at such low operating costs, something that would be unthinkable in Europe only 5 years ago although that is changing with the likes of DY but lets see how long it lasts.

EK average salaries are higher than many Asian carriers as they have to pay for expat. And as you said, things are changing. In EU or the US the ground handling workers are often from poor suburbs.


I think the real issue is the ownership : the request for short term profits, with minimum of risks, is just killing many airlines when they face people with a vision and the deep pockets to make the necessary upfront investment to launch the airline into a positive spiral like EK. What can airlines do? come with a strong business plan in front of investors and governments. There is plenty of money out there and governments are increasingly willing to invest in projects through many mechanisms. Just a question : when was the last time your airline published a real strategic plan rather than some next seasons operational adjustments, cost cutting measures and big data initiatives ?
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:31 am

As a counterpart for the upguage if EK on PRG, is it possible that FZ may axe DXB-PRG?

That would cut the upgauge effect from +/-1100 weekly seats down to +/-700 weekly seats on that route.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:53 am

Quoting just7four7 (Reply 27):
And the same questions still applies: Why do people want to sit and shop at 3am in the morning, at DXB, rather than going direct?

I travelled from Germany to Beijing in 2009 with my two little daughters. I was actually happy that EK turned out to be the most economic connection because I preferred to have a stop rather than flying there directly.
I know, as a German family father I represent a shrinking minority only.

When travelling alone, I prefer the direct flight of course.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:06 am

Quoting just7four7 (Reply 27):
And the same questions still applies: Why do people want to sit and shop at 3am in the morning, at DXB, rather than going direct?

This narrow mindedness is what EK takes advantage of. It is even funny.

Not everyone is flying from Hong Kong to Heathrow where there are plenty of non-stop options.

What happens if someone wants to fly from Hong Kong to Barcelona where there is no non-stop flight (and HKG-BCN is not such an odd city pair)? Unless you fly private non-stop, EK becomes as competitive as any other option, maybe even one of the most competitive options due to high frequency and hard product.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:20 am

Quoting just7four7 (Reply 27):
Why do people want to sit and shop at 3am in the morning, at DXB, rather than going direct?

I used to thinkl this way, but with hindsight, I can say, yes, there can be geuine pros on going for the DXB night hubbing bank rather than flying direct between major European and Asian airports.

For routes such as LYS-HKT or PRG-DPS, flying through DXB is often by far the most convenient option...

[Edited 2015-12-18 01:35:18]
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:22 am

Quoting mixalakhs (Reply 21):

I doubt it. I think 2 77W's a day in summer is enough. They have a lot of competition with Qatar and Turkish anyway.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:35 am

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 36):
I doubt it. I think 2 77W's a day in summer is enough. They have a lot of competition with Qatar and Turkish anyway.

Agreed.

Before we see a 388 on DXB-ATH, the current offer will have been consolidated, and perhaps upgraded to 3-daily.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:36 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
Similar scenario with AMS ...except that the Dutch govt seems loath to approve EK's second A380 flight.

The Dutch govt approved. they can start from Feb 1st
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 38):
The Dutch govt approved. they can start from Feb 1st

Thanks for letting all of us know. Good news for Schiphol.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:27 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 12):
You know, every x weeks we have such threads "EK sends A380 here" .... "EK sends A380 there". But still I am always suprised and think "unbelievable"... It really feels like EK is changing the game, so many A380s in Europe every day, unbelievable...

Better get used to the unbelievable, plenty more A380s are coming. EK has just received the 71st of 140 A380s on order, and almost all of the next year's production is targeted to EK. A quick peek at http://www.abcdlist.nl/a380f/a380f.html shows that most of the future production is headed to EK.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 25):
By the end of this decade, the list of European airports served by EK on a 3-daily basis and 100% 388 is likely to be much bigger than nowadays

Agreed.
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting travelin man (Reply 9):
An A380 to PRG seems like overkill but what do I know

These flights don't have to be profitable for EK. It's just for DXB feed.

[Edited 2015-12-19 08:58:37]
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:18 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 4):
except that the Dutch govt seems loath to approve EK's second A380 flight.

Actually there are open skies between UAE and the Netherlands so its not really the govt. which will loath -rather its the
various airline unions.

Quoting parapente (Reply 10):

If they can do this in Europe it's no wonder that American aviation (and just about everyone else - with good reason) is running scare

Not really. A lot of markets are quite different and due to geographical situation of North America, EK can't take as much advantage as it can when compared to Europe.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
BA could have up geared all their NYC flights to A380's wiped out all the competition but they haven't.

If that were the case BA would have ordered more.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 11):
EK have done it with LHR 5 A380's a day.

Its irrelevant to BA's LHR-JFK scenario.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Third, it takes very low salaries to be able to run at such low operating costs, something that would be unthinkable in Europe only 5 years ago although that is changing with the likes of DY but lets see how long it lasts.

How much lower is EK's cost (compared to other carriers). I would like to see that. Also, AFAIK, EK does pay for housing, etc.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Nothing to do with vision. Geographic location is critical and very few hubs are as well positioned. Second, it takes political and social willingness to do it and in most democracies that's just not possible. Good luck establishing a connecting bank at 3am against the will of the population around LHR or CDG or FRA

It takes a government with "balls" and understand that pandering to NIMBY's is actually counterproductive.

Quoting kasimir (Reply 26):
In general I get what EK is doing and basically these are the steps that need to be done for their business model to succeed.

They are smart enough to understand and take advantage of the weakness of various governments.

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 38):

The Dutch govt approved. they can start from Feb 1st

Not much they could've done anyway.
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 7:19 pm

Quoting UALWN (Reply 1):
It's quite amazing that, less than four years after starting BCN in July 2012 with a 77W, EK will be now sending two daily A380s to BCN. Wow.

That is amazing. EK is numbers run. So when a city is ready to expand, they expand.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 13):
Nothing to do with vision

It is all about vision:
1. Setting up bilaterals. Huge vision for a nation when EK could have been punted off the map.
2. Encouraging other airlines to use Dubai as a wayport
3. Allowing alcohol in a dry region
4. Changing per customer preferences (E.g., a bar on the A380)
5. Numbers driven growth. If a market is ready for expansion, expand. If it doesn't develop, move on.
6. Un-sexy cargo as a strength. Early built reputation of cold transportation has EK dominating flowers, fish, and pharma.
7. No curfew (Lack of European understanding of the unintended consequences...)
8. Female friendly policies
9. Lack of vision in India (seriously, the GoI has such punitive taxes and policies it forces international connections and long haul out of India).


Saudia, Royal Jordanian, Gulf Air, Air India, and Pakastani aur should have dominated over EK. Instead EK became numbers driven. Their vision off connecting a few passengers from each flight to each destination has paid off. EK only requires 20 connection points for each flight to make it work.

How many points in Europe? Africa? Mid-east? Sub-continent? Asia? Australia? Russia? No one else had the vision of a 24/7 wayport to compete in the region. EK was modeled after SIN and HKG, but open to the world.

Quoting just7four7 (Reply 27):
When will the EK expansion machine peak?

Huh? Do you realize you are asking when all the following economies peak?:
India
Russia
Indonesia
Malaysia
China
Africa
Mid-east
Thailand

EK is far from perfect. If the European hubs would stop intentionally pushing away business by building better transfer terminals (I'm looking at youvCDG), more runways (LHR, FRA, CDG, MUC, AMS, BER should be 3 runways, and BCN), stop the curfews, and expand, then we'll see a slowdown.

Next to stop is India building 3 or 4 international hubs with more runways, better connections terminals (international to both international and domestic) and getting rid of punitive taxes and corrupt rule limitations. Ghad, they should read what Adam Smith wrote in 1776 on ocean shipping and realize what they are doing to their airlines.

Only EY in my opinion has woken up to what needs to be done. But as the small party, they will have it tough. In my opinion QR is growth for growths' sake and is not adapting in the numbers run fashion needed for long term viability. But Abu-Dhabi first needs to create the districts that Dubai did to attract foreign women and gays. For giving two parts of the market to EK is short sighted.

For example, use a family from India or Pakistan where, like most families, the woman decides the travel arrangements. Would you see her picking Saudia? AF? LH? Or EK?

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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting Scorp82 (Reply 22):
Sending the A380 to PRG may seem like overkill to some,

No, absolutely not! The only overkill is sending a 3-class(!!) A380 to a low-yield destination - btw. what will happen to flydubai's B737 rotations? And how will react smartwings?
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:06 pm

Quoting just7four7 (Reply 27):
And the same questions still applies: Why do people want to sit and shop at 3am in the morning, at DXB, rather than going direct?

It may be 3 AM in DXB but for a high percentage of connecting passengers it's either a few hours earlier or a few hours later based on the local time wherever they originated.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:28 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 43):
How many points in Europe?

EK has a built a respectable network in Europe, but in terms of destinations, I think it will be at a plateau in the coming years, as most major airports are alreay served, while the fleet will only consist of 77W and 388 by 2018.

This notwithstanding, we may see a bit more destinations on the European route map of EK, but not so many:

LTN, EDI, LPL, BIO, MRS, VCE, STR, BER, BEG, OTP, HEL...
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:48 am

^^ a few points:

- It can't serve anymore German cities as part of the bi-lateral agreement limits which rules out STR and BER
- It already flies to VCE
- They already fly to GLA so not sure EDI will be on their agenda
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting kasimir (Reply 26):

The only thing that surprises me is that a lot of times when I check flights in economy with EK, they come out as the most expensive option.

They're not stupid. If people are willing to pay for it...
At the end of the day, their lower operating costs translate into greater profits, not lower fares.

Quoting Aither (Reply 31):

The planet is a round, most of the time an airline is between big flows but does not believe they can push people to make a stop or believe people would not choose to travel on itinerary 50% longer. This is not true as demonstrated by many airlines and not only the ME ones.

Not really. Every airline has its dominant markets, that is true even for the ME carriers. For EK it's India and UK for which they are perfectly located. I can't find the CAPA article now but those 2 markets alone account for more than 50% of EK's business. What is different for EK is that they came on the scene at a time when India was booming and the incumbent carriers we caught sleeping. Their lower costs allows them to make a profit even from the low fare passenger.

Quoting Aither (Reply 31):

The optimum banks are rarely at the middle of the night.

No but it helps. That's why EK has 4 banks, 6 hours apart. 3am local time might be 3pm at the origin or destination. The current European curfews forces flights from India for example, to depart at ungodly hours like 4am.

Quoting Aither (Reply 31):

EK average salaries are higher than many Asian carriers as they have to pay for expat.

But an airline's costs go far beyond the pilots' salaries, like suppliers and ground operating costs. The cost of operating at a given airport is significant. And they don't pay taxes either so that helps.

Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 42):
How much lower is EK's cost (compared to other carriers). I would like to see that. Also, AFAIK, EK does pay for housing, etc.

Their costs are lower than most LCC's. Crazy.
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Quoting jacobin777 (Reply 42):

It takes a government with "balls" and understand that pandering to NIMBY's is actually counterproductive.

It's called a democracy.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces A380 To PRG, BHX, TPE, 2nd BCN

Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:53 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 48):
Their costs are lower than most LCC's

With an average sector distance of nearly 5,000km, and 2,000km+ ahead of the sampled airlines and 3,000-4,000km ahead of the LCCs, it's not particularly surprising.
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