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Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:53 pm

AeroMéxico adds 4th destination in Europe: Amsterdam, a Skyteam hub. For decades, MEX-AMS has been a KLM monopoly which operates daily 747s.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-for-2016-amsterdam-300194809.html

[Edited 2015-12-17 12:54:20]
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:02 pm

Wow. Didn't see this one coming. Good to know.
 
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MEXICO CITY, Dec. 17, 2015 /PRNewswire/

Anko van der Werff, Aeromexico's Chief Revenue Officer, said, "Aeromexico is extremely proud to add Amsterdam to its European route network. The Netherlands is the fourth largest Mexico's trading partner in the European Union, and nowadays, an average of 200,000 annual passengers travel between both capital cities".

Flight schedules are as follows:

Mexico City – Amsterdam
AM025 - dep. 11:58 p.m. -arr. AMS 6 p.m. Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

Amsterdam - Mexico City
AM026 - dep. 10:35 p.m. - arr. MEX 04:10 a.m. Monday, Thursday, Saturday

One of the key factors in establishing this new route is Amsterdam's status as a major SkyTeam hub where KLM offers a significant number of flights within Europe. Aeromexico is a founding member of the SkyTeam airline alliance.

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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:22 pm

Surprising it took them this long, AeroMex has become quite the pioneer with their 787 with nonstop Mexico City to Tokyo flying.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:29 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 2):
Amsterdam - Mexico City
AM026 - dep. 10:35 p.m. - arr. MEX 04:10 a.m. Monday, Thursday, Saturday

Seems like a rather unattractive arrival time.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:29 pm

It was hinted on CAPA last year that AMS was a logical choice given it already codeshares with KLM. The next route I think they will open in EU is FRA.

While in Asia I think they will open ICN if Korean Air doesn't beat them to it.
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:30 pm

WOW! Congrats to AM and AMS!

It's been all about AMS this week in the Airline Industry...

- 5 new european destinations by KLM from AMS
- 9W moving from BRU to AMS
- KLM dropping DFW AMS
- Increasing SFO from AMS
- launching SLC from AMS
- AM launching MEX to AMS...

AMS is getting more and more power over the years!

Cheers!
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:46 pm

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):
It's been all about AMS this week in the Airline Industry...

- 5 new european destinations by KLM from AMS
- 9W moving from BRU to AMS
- KLM dropping DFW AMS
- Increasing SFO from AMS
- launching SLC from AMS
- AM launching MEX to AMS...

And .......

- Vueling AMS-LTN 2xday, AMS-CAT 2xweek, AMS-LPA 1x, AMS-LIS 4x, AMS-OPO 3x, AMS-NAP 7x
- AF announcing Rennes-AMS this week daily
- Air Baltic daily to TLL
- SQ starts with first A350 route SIN-AMS in April 2016
- EZY - AMS-NAP, AMS-LYS, AMS-LIN, AMS-TLV, AMS-VIE - all new routes in S16
- Aegean ATH-AMS 5x/week
- FlyBe - DSA-AMS daily
- Ryanair - DUB-AMS 4x daily

With rumours of more.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:58 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):
- Vueling AMS-LTN 2xday, AMS-CAT 2xweek, AMS-LPA 1x, AMS-LIS 4x, AMS-OPO 3x, AMS-NAP 7x
- AF announcing Rennes-AMS this week daily
- Air Baltic daily to TLL
- SQ starts with first A350 route SIN-AMS in April 2016
- EZY - AMS-NAP, AMS-LYS, AMS-LIN, AMS-TLV, AMS-VIE - all new routes in S16
- Aegean ATH-AMS 5x/week
- FlyBe - DSA-AMS daily
- Ryanair - DUB-AMS 4x daily

And .......

EK looking for a second daily A380 frequency

Can't wait to see the numbers of growth in passengers and aircrafts movements in 2016 for AMS
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 10:00 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Seems like a rather unattractive arrival time.

Agreed. However, there are already some Europe flights with ungodly arrival hours at MEX; LH's MUC and IB's MAD flights come to mind.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:38 pm

Wow! I cannot say it is a total surprise due to the KL, Netherlands-Mexico, SkyTeam connections that other have mentioned before, but I certainly did not expect AMS at this time. I thought that before AMS we would see LHR going daily, or BCN being relaunched. Congrats to AM and AMS!!!

I suppose the 2 or 3 extra KL summer frequencies will not return in 2016, will they?

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
Seems like a rather unattractive arrival time.

It is similar to AM's CDG-MEX schedule. It is a horrible, horrible flight, even in J, due to the rushed meal service and the ungodly arrival time. I confess I much prefer the daytime Europe-Mexico schedules like what KL actually does. I suppose AM wants to turn the 788 quickly and have efficient utilization factors, while at the same time maximize connection opportunities to its domestic and Central American network. Let's remember that AM only has 8 788s of 9 that were ordered, so they are spread pretty thinly. Ten bigger -9s should start arriving at some point soon(-ish).

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 5):
The next route I think they will open in EU is FRA.
While in Asia I think they will open ICN if Korean Air doesn't beat them to it.

I used to think AM had to set its sights on Germany, but honestly, LH has the market more than covered. With daily 748i service from FRA and 6x weekly A346 service from MUC, the demand is well covered and AM would have to compete on price, which is not a great idea when you are talking about flights 11 or 12 hours long. I think AM is better off relying on DL (via ATL and JFK), AF (via CDG) and KL (via AMS) to serve the German market. Before LH launched MUC-MEX, I was hoping AM would take a stab at MUC. Now, I don't see the chance for anything.

With respect to Asia, I agree that ICN makes a lot of sense in cooperation with KE. Sadly, it appears a stopover might be needed, or wouldn't it? Let's see who moves first and when. Before that, though, I would expect AM to increase PVG to 4 or 5 weekly flights once it has enough 789s.

So, does anyone think that we will see AM launch BCN again soon? Or maybe FCO if the announced AZ flight is not daily? How about VS placing its code on AM's LHR service?
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Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:41 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):

Surprising it took them this long

Agreed. This is a great SkyTeam route that makes sense for AM customers.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 2):
One of the key factors in establishing this new route is Amsterdam's status as a major SkyTeam hub where KLM offers a significant number of flights within Europe. Aeromexico is a founding member of the SkyTeam airline alliance.

      

Quoting AM744 (Reply 9):
Agreed. However, there are already some Europe flights with ungodly arrival hours at MEX; LH's MUC and IB's MAD flights come to mind.

And if passengers wish to arrive earlier in the day, they can take the codeshare flight on KL that arrives around 7pm.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:03 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):
Sadly, it appears a stopover might be needed, or wouldn't it?

ICN is 451nm further than NRT from MEX, so probably maybe with a slight payload adjustment, they wouldn't need to.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:11 am

AMs arrival times are timed for maximum connections from Mexico City. They will accept the few connections they can get at AMS (especially arrival).

As far as AM relying on DL, the hassles of US visa issues for Mexican and others will be a barrier, AM is better off introducing its own flights. It is the reason why US airports are bad for international to international connections.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:29 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):
I suppose the 2 or 3 extra KL summer frequencies will not return in 2016, will they?

Looks like KLM's schedule remains intact. For example, on Saturdays there are 3x daily flights from AMS to MEX. 2 on KLM and 1 one AM.
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:15 am

Congratulations to AM! Great! I definitely didn't see this coming!

In the past they have been rather conservative with their network, but great to see expansion!
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:52 am

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 14):
Looks like KLM's schedule remains intact. For example, on Saturdays there are 3x daily flights from AMS to MEX. 2 on KLM and 1 one AM.

AM's 3x weekly flight to MAD (the additional late night red-eye frequency) seems to be gone once AMS comes online so that's where this frame is probably coming from.

Hopefully once the other 787's start coming online we'll continue to see more growth from AM.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:21 am

Wow!! Nor did I see that coming. Another great year for Schiphol to come. Congratz to AMS. The skyteam hub of the world.
Their livery is stunning. I do miss the metal look however.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 7):
With rumours of more.

What rumours?

Vietnam airlines
American airlines
JAL
Aerolineas Argentinas

Just guessing
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:10 am

Quoting hohd (Reply 13):
They will accept the few connections they can get at AMS (especially arrival).

If you are referring to AM's 18.00 hours arrival at AMS, rest assured that this feeds into KL's biggest connection bank of the day from 19.00 - 21.00 hours.

This connection bank may not offer many India, Africa or Middle East connections, but capacity wise it is optimised for all of Europe, much of Asia and NBO.

AM's scheduled 22.35 departure from AMS, guarantees that this entire connection bank feeds in to the MEX departure.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:17 am

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 17):

It looks like China Eastern will be flying to Amsterdam as well doing PVG-AMS 4x weekly operated by A330. They should start ops by April...
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:40 am

Quoting hohd (Reply 13):
AMs arrival times are timed for maximum connections from Mexico City. They will accept the few connections they can get at AMS (especially arrival).
Quoting factsonly (Reply 18):
If you are referring to AM's 18.00 hours arrival at AMS, rest assured that this feeds into KL's biggest connection bank of the day from 19.00 - 21.00 hours.

Indeed, it is a good arrival time and it arrives at AMS together with quite some other long-haul Skyteam flights from:
PVG (17:35), BKK (18:35), XMN (18:40), ICN (by KE, 18:40), HKG (19:05).

And except for a handful of new destinations (like SOU or VLC), virtually every European destination sees a 737 or Cityhopper departure between 20:30 and 21:30.

The 22:35 departure is quite late but does allow for all connections and opens the opportunity to connect to some of the latest European arrivals.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:24 am

Someone is on a roll here! Great to see a new Latin American carrier at AMS. It's been a while...
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:36 am

Congrats.

No doubt this flight will work out just fine. Soon I bet it will get increased to 5 weekly or so
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:28 pm

Quoting hohd (Reply 13):
They will accept the few connections they can get at AMS (especially arrival).

We haven't yet discussed that AM is already codesharing on MEX-AMS with KLM.

As a result of this codeshare AM can actually offer pax up to 3x departures on some days and all sorts of connections on both ends of this SKYTEAM bridge:

- dep. MEX 16:45 - AMS 10:20 AM6550 B744 Fri, Sat
- dep. MEX 21:05 - AMS 14:40 AM6550 B744 Daily
- dep. MEX 23:58 - AMS 18:00 AM025 B788 Sun, Wed, Fri

- dep. AMS 10.10 - MEX 14:35 AM6551 B744 Fri, Sat
- dep. AMS 14:30 - MEX 18:59 AM6501 B744 Daily
- dep. AMS 22:35 - MEX 04:10 AM026 B788 Mon, Thu, Sat

It will come as no surprise when KLM announces a codeshare with AM on the MEX-AMS B788 service.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:16 pm

Quoting CDG (Reply 8):
Can't wait to see the numbers of growth in passengers and aircrafts movements in 2016 for AMS

The growth at AMS in November 2015 as an early indication:

- Movements +2.7%
- Passengers O&D +11.8%
- Passengers Transfer +4.5%
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:03 pm

According to:

http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/49/49024.html

China Eastern Airlines (MU) filed an application to the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) for launching a nonstop international service from its hub Shanghai to Amsterdam, Netherlands next April.

Pending government approval, the Shanghai-based carrier will fly its Airbus A330-200 aircraft from Shanghai Pudong International Airport (PVG) to Amsterdam Schiphol Airport (AMS) in April 2016, with four flights weekly, according to an announcement released Friday on the website of the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC).

In June 2015, China Eastern had expressed its willingness to launch more long-haul routes to Europe and the U.S. as increased competition among domestic airlines.

The Air Transportation Department of CAAC is soliciting public comments on the application until Nov. 28, 2015.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:52 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 10):

So, does anyone think that we will see AM launch BCN again soon? Or maybe FCO if the announced AZ flight is not daily?

Hopefully, but it seems the yields are in northern Europe. LHR, AMS, Germany.
 
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Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 23):
We haven't yet discussed that AM is already codesharing on MEX-AMS with KLM.

I suppose we all thought that was a given. It will be interesting to see on which KL flights ex-AMS AM will place its code. Through ATL, JFK, CDG and AMS, AM will be able to offer great coverage of European destinations to its passengers.
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:47 am

Quoting PietPiloot (Reply 19):
It looks like China Eastern will be flying to Amsterdam as well doing PVG-AMS 4x weekly operated by A330. They should start ops by April...

That will make skyteam hub Amsterdam even more complete. The're just missing a few other members who don't fly to AMS.
I hope it's not an overkill and it will strengthen the hub and eventually also strengthen KLM. I don't know where KLM will be in 5 years in their bad marriage with Air France.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 1:30 pm

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 28):

It was one of the goals of KLM this year (and 2016 onwards) to cooperate more with their (Skyteam) partners. In the past KLM wanted to operate their own flights to other Skyteam hubs, where as now, we see a new vision to let the Skyteam partners fly more and more to Amsterdam to allow KLM free up resources to explore new destinations.

Hopefully this trend continues and we might finally see Vietnam Airlines, MEA and Saudi start operations to Amsterdam. Amsterdam lost their connections to Vietnam years ago, Beirut, Jeddah and Riyad same story. I believe there is a market for all these destinations, especially for the Skyteam partners.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:10 pm

Quoting factsonly (Reply 2):
The Netherlands is the fourth largest Mexico's trading partner in the European Union

The AP can does grammars good. 

But seriously, this is really cool. I love love love to see AM grow and prosper, especially given the demise of MX. The livery doesn't hurt much, either.  
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:29 pm

Quoting CDG (Reply 6):
AMS is getting more and more power over the years!
Quoting paneuropean (Reply 17):
Quoting paneuropean (Reply 17):
What rumours?


JAL


Just guessing

JL? No. They won't return at the moment. The market is mainly taken by KLM since they left in 2010 and the competitor NH already flies to DUS and BRU (which were part of the JL market served from AMS before).
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Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:13 pm

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 31):

Well, I assume it's my wishful thinking. Rumour had it that ANA would start AMS before they announced BRU. Neither that is gonna happen soon I'm affraid.

Anyway, I'm excited about AM starting AMS. It has been a long time. Since Varig left there were no latina' s at Schiphol. Hopefully one day Lan will join.
 
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Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting paneuropean (Reply 32):
Anyway, I'm excited about AM starting AMS. It has been a long time. Since Varig left there were no latina' s at Schiphol. Hopefully one day Lan will join.

Make that any LATAM airline...I recall that TAM was about to start GRU-AMS when the crisis hit Brazil (was around 2001 if I'm not mistaken). Then again, LAN passenger fligts hasn't expanded much outside Oneworld territority in Europe lately (AFAIK the FRA flights still stops in MAD). However, LAN Cargo has grown at AMS the last few years (though I would still put my money on TAM before any other LATAM subsidiary, Avianca or Aerolineas Argentinas). At least we'll be able to say we have a Latin American airline as of May 30th 2016 (if it remainas as scheduled).
 
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Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:13 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 30):
But seriously, this is really cool. I love love love to see AM grow and prosper, especially given the demise of MX. The livery doesn't hurt much, either.

I agree. AM hopefully can continue to thrive. They face very strong competition in almost every single one of the markets they serve, so I really like when they launch new promising routes.

The livery though is pretty bad considering their long history of beautiful liveries. Wish they would launch a new livery that reminds people of some of their best ones... remember the bare metal DC-10s.
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Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:19 am

Such a great move!

This is by far one the best news lately!

Hope soon, in the near future, AM return's to Germany. AM has added LHR, now AMS and I'm sure FRA with the Boeing 787 would work without a problem.

It's been announced LHR is going from 5X to 6X.

AMS might scale up to 5X one day!

Lets see what comes next once more Boeing 787's start getting here, only 2 B777s will be retired in 2016 and 4 Boeing 787's will join, so there will be +2 787s more to do maybe more frequencies to current destinations.

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Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:08 am

A little off topic but since Tokyo has been mentioned, how has AM been doing in Tokyo since the flight became direct and I assume the equipment was charged to 788? Did dropping the Tijuana stop coincided with the 788 sostitution?
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:18 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 35):
only 2 B777s will be retired in 2016 and 4 Boeing 787's will join, so there will be +2 787s more to do maybe more frequencies to current destinations.

Oh great news. The first four -9s of a total of ten.

Quoting VCEflyboy (Reply 36):
how has AM been doing in Tokyo since the flight became direct and I assume the equipment was charged to 788? Did dropping the Tijuana stop coincided with the 788 sostitution?

I believe the change has not happened. For the time being, the flight is still routed MEX-MTY-NRT-MEX. I believe it goes nonstop in March.
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:01 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 35):
AMS might scale up to 5X one day!

Or daily (they requested and received slots for a daily MEX-AMS-MEX for S16).
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:21 pm

Glad to see AM expanding!

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 35):
only 2 B777s will be retired in 2016

Will they retire the 777 fleet after all?

They really need an uplift on Business and Economy, especially considering that IB and JJ renovated their Business Class (the only competitors of AM777's routes).

With the GRU will be flown by the 789?
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:33 pm

As you may already know, they did not get approval to go 5x weekly on the MEX-NRT.

Instead during the Summer of 2016 they will fly:

To Europe:

MEX-LHR 5x weekly
MEX-CDG 7x weekly
MEX-AMS 3x weekly
MEX-MAD 13x weekly

To Asia:

MEX-NRT 4x weekly
MEX-PVG 3x weekly
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Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:23 am

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 39):
Will they retire the 777 fleet after all?
They really need an uplift on Business and Economy, especially considering that IB and AM-Transportes Aereos Meridionais (Brazil)">JJ renovated their Business Class (the only competitors of AM777's routes).
With the GRU will be flown by the 789?

If I understand correctly, four 789s will arrive during 2016, and only two 77Es will be retired, which means that during part of the year, AM will have a net two more aircraft than as of December 31, 2015. I think this means they will be able to increase frequencies a bit.

Also, if I am not mistaken, once all new widebody planes arrive and all 77Es are retired, AM will have 19 Dreamliners (nine -8s and ten -9s). I hope we will see AM launch new destinations such as BCN (which has already been served in the past) and ICN. I also hope AM returns to GIG once the Brazilian economy rebounds.

It is my understanding that PVG, MAD and GRU will be 789 destinations. It remains to be seen whether CDG, LHR, NRT and EZE will continue to be 788 destinations, or whether they will be upgauged. I don't imagine SCL or AMS going from 788 to 789.

AM's J-class hard product on Dreamliners is quite good. Not cutting edge or class-leading, but fairly decent and competitive. If they had gone for 1-2-1 instead of 2-2-2, they would be at the forefront, but no complaints. The problem is and will continue to be that crews are inconsistent. Service protocol could be improved a bit, for example (i) have passengers check-the-box in a piece of paper to indicate whether they want to be woken up for breakfast in nighttime long-hauls; (ii) cheese should be served after the meal, not as an appetizer; (iii) desserts could be a bit better; (iv) never forget to load or pass printed menus; (v) flight attendants serving J-class passengers in long-hauls need a bit more Singapore-ization; (vi) all flight attendants (long-haul, short-haul, economy, business) should speak better English; and (vii) "mijita" is not a proper way for a senior flight attendant to address a woman in her twenties or thirties in business class. In terms of catering, I understand there are new MAD and CDG menus in J, so hopefully that makes the food experience better.

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 40):
As you may already know, they did not get approval to go 5x weekly on the MEX-NRT.
Instead during the Summer of 2016 they will fly:
To Europe:
MEX-LHR 5x weekly
MEX-CDG 7x weekly
MEX-AMS 3x weekly
MEX-MAD 13x weekly
To Asia:
MEX-NRT 4x weekly
MEX-PVG 3x weekly

Why is that LatinPlane? I had no idea. Why was the request denied? I suppose that if AM cannot get more slots, they will eventually upgauge NRT to the -9.

How about South America? I understand SCL is less than daily; am I right? At the moment, EZE is 10x weekly. How about GRU?
Upcoming flights:
April/May: AM MEX-SCL 788 (J), AM EZE-MEX 789 (J).
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:42 am

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 40):
As you may already know, they did not get approval to go 5x weekly on the MEX-NRT.

Instead during the Summer of 2016 they will fly:

To Europe:

MEX-LHR 5x weekly
MEX-CDG 7x weekly
MEX-AMS 3x weekly
MEX-MAD 13x weekly

To Asia:

MEX-NRT 4x weekly
MEX-PVG 3x weekly

MEX-LHR is going to 6X weekly. I guess since they wont be operating the 5th weekly flight to NRT they decided to use it at LHR.
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:01 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 38):
Or daily (they requested and received slots for a daily MEX-AMS-MEX for S16).

What is S16? Summer 2016?

Quoting winGl3t (Reply 39):
Will they retire the 777 fleet after all?

Sadly, yes, by the end of 2017 all Boeing 777s will be gone  
Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 40):
As you may already know, they did not get approval to go 5x weekly on the MEX-NRT.

Instead during the Summer of 2016 they will fly:

To Europe:

MEX-LHR 5x weekly
MEX-CDG 7x weekly
MEX-AMS 3x weekly
MEX-MAD 13x weekly

Seems they're boosting MAD, almost 2X a day, that's good! I believe NRT's frequency is going on this MAD flights. And as pointed already, LHR will be 6X.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 41):
Why is that LatinPlane? I had no idea. Why was the request denied? I suppose that if AM cannot get more slots, they will eventually upgauge NRT to the -9.

I think ANA is not so happy to have AM flying non stop as maybe they're loosing passengers and connections at LAX.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 41):
How about South America? I understand SCL is less than daily; am I right? At the moment, EZE is 10x weekly. How about GRU?

Yes, SCL is only 3X I believe but loads are doing better than a year ago and AM is carrying more passengers with less frequencies. GRU will go to 9X but that will be all. I don't see AM flying back to GIG in a loooooooong time.

Maybe BCN could return anytime as well FRA. I hope next European movement is FRA and BCN. I not longer hold my breath for FCO with AZ getting into the market and having EY behind.

g77
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:33 am

Quoting CDG (Reply 8):
Can't wait to see the numbers of growth in passengers and aircrafts movements in 2016 for AMS
Quoting factsonly (Reply 24):
The growth at AMS in November 2015 as an early indication:

- Movements +2.7%
- Passengers O&D 11.8%
- Passengers Transfer 4.5%

The AMS growth data for December 2015:

- Movements +6%
- Passengers O&D: +10.8%
- Passengers Transfer: +4.1%
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 27):

AM can leverage CDG and AMS for European connections, but not ATL and JFK as effectively due to US visa hassles.
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:14 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 43):
Quoting LJ (Reply 38):
Or daily (they requested and received slots for a daily MEX-AMS-MEX for S16).

What is S16? Summer 2016?

Yes, "S" for Summer and "W" for Winter. Do note that slots aren't always used (or just partially).
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:23 pm

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 43):
they're boosting MAD, almost 2X a day, that's good!

I agree, that is great news! I suppose that for the time being MAD is a mix of 77Es and 788s, right?

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 43):
I think ANA is not so happy to have AM flying non stop as maybe they're loosing passengers and connections at LAX.

Well, that is not AM's problem. They have no alliance or codeshare relationship, so AM should do whatever it's best for AM's own income statement.

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 43):
Yes, SCL is only 3X I believe but loads are doing better than a year ago and AM is carrying more passengers with less frequencies. GRU will go to 9X but that will be all. I don't see AM flying back to GIG in a loooooooong time.
Maybe BCN could return anytime as well FRA. I hope next European movement is FRA and BCN. I not longer hold my breath for FCO with AZ getting into the market and having EY behind.

Serving a city 3x weekly is suboptimal as it is not attractive for business travelers. AM at least has the advantage of codesharing with LA on this route. Are AM's MEX-SCL-MEX flights nightly flights both ways?

I agree that with AZ's upcoming service to MEX it will not make sense for AM to launch FCO. MXP could be interesting, but that would be too much service to Italy, so I do not see it happening. I think we can expect AM to codeshare with AZ and viceversa. AM would have good coverage of Italy through AF ex-CDG and through AZ ex-FCO if they end up codesharing.

Quoting hohd (Reply 45):
AM can leverage CDG and AMS for European connections, but not ATL and JFK as effectively due to US visa hassles.

I agree with you in concept, but the fact is that a huge chunk of MEX-Europe is served via large U.S. hubs. ATL itself is a major transit point for MEX-Europe routes. Sometimes I believe the visa issue is magnified.
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:10 am

Quoting LJ (Reply 46):
Yes, "S" for Summer and "W" for Winter. Do note that slots aren't always used (or just partially).

Interesting info! So anytime AM wants to go daily, they'll be able to do it!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 47):
I agree, that is great news! I suppose that for the time being MAD is a mix of 77Es and 788s, right?

Yes, it's 7X 777 and 6X 787.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 47):
Are AM's MEX-SCL-MEX flights nightly flights both ways?

Yeap!

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 47):
MXP could be interesting, but that would be too much service to Italy, so I do not see it happening.

Right, non sense for the matter! I believe FCO would work better than MXP, for the same reason AM flew two times before to FCO and now AZ is launching MEX from FCO. Shame AM wasn't first. Still, too much to do in Europe, increase LHR to 7X if possible, AMS to 5X at least, open FRA and return to BCN, as well, having MAD and CDG 14X!

g77
 
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RE: Am To AMS 3xW From May 2016 788 Non-Stop

Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:24 am

Does anyone think AM might target the leisure traffic from Europe to CUN in the future? (I mean directly)

Quoting ghost77 (Reply 43):
I don't see AM flying back to GIG in a loooooooong time.

why not?

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