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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Double post, please delete

[Edited 2015-12-21 07:24:48]
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting mrocktor (Reply 47):
That's ironic, considering BBD has been dithering on this project since 1995. This is probably the remake of the remake of the remake (they just never built any of the previous ones).

Calling the Cseries remake of the BRJX is like calling A787 the remake of 767-400ERX.
Other than Fuselage diameter, CSeries has zero commonality with BRJX, which is a paper aircraft.

Quoting mrocktor (Reply 47):
There is nothing on the CSeries that is substantially more advanced than other narrowbodies already in service (or soon to be). Incremental improvements? Sure, plenty. No game changing technology though.

How about fully composite wing and aerodynamics optimized for a brand new engine?


Let us know if there are any NB aircraft (Flying or on the Drawing board) that can match that can meet that criteria.

[Edited 2015-12-21 07:25:25]
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:48 pm

Anyone know when AC is going to get their act together and place a large order for the CS100 / CS300?
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:14 pm

Quoting cyow (Reply 52):
Anyone know when AC is going to get their act together and place a large order for the CS100 / CS300?

A part of having one's "act together" is only buying the right aircraft for the job. It has been a very long time since Air Canada has purchased an aircraft as a result of political pressure. So, Air Canada has had their "act together" since the purchase of the Canadair DC-4M North Star.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:15 pm

A320, longhauler?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_affair


While it would be great to see a CSeries purchase by AC, I hope, if it comers to fruition, that they do it out of "right product for the job".
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:16 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 53):

Our dear friend Byron Muldoony aka the Chin might beg to differ.

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 36):
owever, by cert authority you mean Transport Canada, I am sure they will be biased for a home grown product.

That I doubt very much. If anything, I reckon they are diving in deeper as the Cdn aviation industry will be done and dusted if this machine is a flop.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:54 pm

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 48):
Will LX use the CS100 to LUG

That is very interesting.
LUG departures and especially landings are always between my favorites. Especially in winter when like now it is a little foggy on the bottom ad you dive down the Monte Ceneri without seening nothing at once only for feeling the full braakes a few seconds later. Not that there is much place for rwy overruns, if you don't want to cross the border to Italy on the Ceresio lake!
I wonder also if the departure will feel powerful like the one with the "Jumbolino", without all that noise.
It would be a good benchmark for the CS100 capabilties in any case.

Looking forward for Swiss bringing the CSeries so close to us. My fear is that they will use it to fly MXP tough, once the new railway from Mendrisio to MXP will be in operation. As you know is tough to compete with SBB (Swiss Railways). A little help to the LUG cause can come from the Italian ones, that , as usual, are VERY late doing the rails on our side.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:20 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 51):
Calling the Cseries remake of the BRJX is like calling A787 the remake of 767-400ERX.

A 7E7 to 787 comparison would be more appropriate.

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 51):
How about fully composite wing and aerodynamics optimized for a brand new engine?

Let us know if there are any NB aircraft (Flying or on the Drawing board) that can match that can meet that criteria.

Considering that by BBD's own chart there is only a 7% trip difference between the CS100 and E195-E2... and only a 6% trip difference between the CS300 and A319NEO.... and that is BBD using fuel at +3 times the current fuel cost... and that is after spending $5.4 billion and a list of $71.8 & $82 million respectively. Fortunately, the new leadership is saying that they will start pricing more aggressively...

Bombardier Sees 'Aggressive' C Series Pricing Amid Drought

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Bombardier Inc. is prepared to cut prices on the C Series jetliner as a way to end about 15 months without a firm order for the new single-aisle jetliner.

“I get the question all the time: ‘Are you finally going to discount?’ I know what it takes to win large orders,” said Fred Cromer, president of Bombardier’s commercial aircraft unit. Any new customer is “going to expect an aggressive deal.”
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:32 pm

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 56):
LUG departures and especially landings are always between my favorites.

If you want a stunning approach and landing, try this RNP into Queenstown, NZ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mxmFCw-Dig
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:02 am

Quoting planemaker (Reply 57):
Considering that by BBD's own chart there is only a 7% trip difference between the CS100 and E195-E2... and only a 6% trip difference between the CS300 and A319NEO.... and that is BBD using fuel at +3 times the current fuel cost... and that is after spending $5.4 billion and a list of $71.8 & $82 million respectively. Fortunately, the new leadership is saying that they will start pricing more aggressively...

Indeed, they should have a discount index attached to a baseline oil price. 2016 will probably see the deepest trough in oil prices and it will, no doubt, go up, fast or slow, after that. So the CSeries in 2016 should be priced accordingly with the understanding that it will not last.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:09 am

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 54):
A320, longhauler?
Quoting rampbro (Reply 55):
Our dear friend Byron Muldoony aka the Chin might beg to differ.

I won't get into that can of worms.

But my Dad who was in Flight Ops Management at Air Canada at the time, tells a slightly different story. He always was a very strong Boeing proponent and often lamented that AC had selected the A320 series over the B737-300 and -400. As he was in Seattle working on B767 deliveries, he said Boeing was aware of the Airbus selection long before the aircraft was announced and often wondered whether there really was an "inappropriate" push as Air Canada Engineering had already the decided the A320 was a better machine.

Decades later, and the B737-300 and -400 are all but obsolete .... and the A320 clearly was the better decision!

But better examples would be ... The DC-8-54JT over the CL-44. The DC-9 over either the Caravelle or the BAC 1-11. The B767 over the A310-300. Deferral of the MD-88.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:15 am

I should add to the above though ... I was referring to buying an inferior aircraft due to governmental pressure, not necessarily the best aircraft for the job.

I am still not convinced though that the CSeries is not in Air Canada's future as it is a fine aircraft and in my opinion would be an excellent replacement for the not yet announced E190 and A319. But sadly, they don't leave these decisions up to me!  

Perhaps, they are looking for some sort of "incentives" to select an aircraft they already want ... like they did with the A320.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:07 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 61):
Perhaps, they are looking for some sort of "incentives" to select an aircraft they already want ... like they did with the A320.

As they rightfully should. I'd expect, particularly with the current state of the program, that any potential customer is turning the screws on Bombardier and making them sharpen their pencils. Now, mind you, there have been comments about Bombardier not willing to lose money on orders-should this be the case, I could see AC telling them thanks but no thanks.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:50 am

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 56):
It would be a good benchmark for the CS100 capabilties in any case.

True and I guess it's possible if the Avros could do it.

Quoting Aquila3 (Reply 56):
As you know is tough to compete with SBB (Swiss Railways).

I thought the fare would be about the same while travel time is much shorter when going by plane. I would rather fly to LUG in 30mins than take the train for 3 hours.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:53 am

Well, I guess Bombardier has shifted strategy in terms of their sales department. Expect them to start getting more aggressive with pricing...could this be the turning point for the program?

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...tomers-amid-15-month-order-drought
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:18 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 64):
Well, I guess Bombardier has shifted strategy in terms of their sales department. Expect them to start getting more aggressive with pricing...could this be the turning point for the program?

It had better be the turning point. Bombardier needs to sell enough to prime production.

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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:31 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 64):
could this be the turning point for the program?

Again, I'd expect the turning point to come if and when Swiss hit high dispatch rates.

No one is going to want an aircraft however efficient if it spends half the day at the ramp due to technicals.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:38 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 66):

No one is going to want an aircraft however efficient if it spends half the day at the ramp due to technicals.

That is the same with any new airframe, efficient or otherwise.

If people waited until the first revenue flight to order, then Boeing wouldn't have had ~1000 orders for the B787 before the first flight! But speaking of the B787, I think that fiasco has made airlines more cautious. Let's face it ... when an experienced and reputable company like Boeing can have delays of 5 years, it makes everyone gun shy.

Bombardier have been building reliable aircraft for decades, and like Boeing there are delays in the CSeries program.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:20 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 51):
Let us know if there are any NB aircraft (Flying or on the Drawing board) that can match that can meet that criteria.

That is the "Look! Shiny!" mentality. Yes, those things are different. Yes, they are new. Do they actually translate into a product that can do things existing products cannot? No. Therefore, as I said, it will come down to how good the airplane performs in practice, and how good it is to operate.

If it is just a numbers game, the incumbent players (which include A & B on the top end and E on the bottom end of capacity) can simply leverage their existing product base and undercut BBD on price. Capital cost is always a major factor, and airlines are mindful about their cash position these days.

And remember, for many sales BBD has to make the case for adding an additional type to the fleet (because the airline already operates 737/A32x AND E1 jets) with all the associated logistical cost.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 64):

All eyes on LX when the CS100 goes into service there
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:58 pm

Quoting longhauler (Reply 67):
Bombardier have been building reliable aircraft for decades,

The Q400 was a disaster at EIS and many would still argue it is a hangar queen.

Those are two big problems that airlines are worried about. Unfortunately the BBD management didn't see fit to spend the required money to deal with the issue till relatively lately, further spooking airlines about how much support they are likely to get.

Stupid decisions like this, being penny wise and pound foolish, litter the BBD landscape over the years. Any wonder airlines are cautious about a big CSeries order.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:05 pm

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 70):
The Q400 was a disaster at EIS and many would still argue it is a hangar queen.

Can you elaborate on this?
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:11 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 71):
Can you elaborate on this?

I've posted about this in the past as one of several maintenance issues that clouded BBD's commercial aircraft. The dispatch rate was so unacceptable that BBD had their own mechanics stationed abroad with spare aircraft.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:13 pm

At EIS the Q400 has some kind of landing gear issue that seems to have been since resolved. I haven't heard any argument that it is still a hanger queen though.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:34 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 71):

Can you elaborate on this?

2003: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bombardier-efforts-see-q400-reliability-improve-171898/

2011: http://aviationweek.com/awin/pinnacl...king-bombardier-q400-reliability-0
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:35 pm

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 73):
At EIS the Q400 has some kind of landing gear issue

That actually came to light later, not at EIS.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:40 pm

Quoting planemaker (Reply 75):
Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 73):At EIS the Q400 has some kind of landing gear issue
That actually came to light later, not at EIS.

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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:58 pm

on a side news, today Transport Canada, FAA and EASA awarded certification also to the full flight simulator produced by CAE for the CSeries.

Bombardier CS100 Aircraft’s Full-Flight Simulator and Flight Training Device Certified by Transport Canada, FAA and EASA

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Bombardier Commercial Aircraft and CAE announced today that Transport Canada, the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) have awarded Interim Level C qualification on the full-flight simulator (FFS), and qualified the flight training device (FTD) for the all-new CS100 aircraft.

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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting Amiga500 (Reply 70):
The Q400 was a disaster at EIS and many would still argue it is a hangar queen.

As was the A320 ... and add to that, three very high profile crashes directly attributed to the aircraft and the way it was being flown. I recall, as I was in one of our first A320 courses. Every time we had a maintenance delay, which was always, it was all we could do to keep passengers on the aircraft!

As was the E190, the B767, etc etc etc.

These things get sorted out.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:20 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 78):
As was the E190

Took the words right out of my mouth. Some airlines are still unhappy with dispatch rates on this one.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:47 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 78):
These things get sorted out.

The problem is - it took BBD several years to start to tackle it - and over a decade after EIS they were still having to have reliability programs to improve rates.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:40 pm

Quoting diverted (Reply 64):
Expect them to start getting more aggressive with pricing

You'd wonder what took them so long.

From this article:

http://business.financialpost.com/ne...nt-so-wrong-with-the-cseries-dream

It says:

Quote:
Bombardier was caught off guard by “how aggressively Airbus and Boeing defended their incumbent positions with customers,” Poutissou says.

That's what you get when you tickle the bear. Bombardier should have lowered their prices long time ago.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 81):
Quoting diverted (Reply 64):
Expect them to start getting more aggressive with pricing

You'd wonder what took them so long.

Now they can remove a big part of development cost from aircraft price since BBD take an impairment charge of $3.2B in the last quarter financial results, it was a condition of the Government of Québec to create the new CSeries joint venture.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:36 pm

John Leahy is making comments on C-Series. I think it's a good sign for Bombardier, as Airbus is not ignoring them any more.....

“The trouble is that, when Airbus moved to the neo and Boeing moved to the Max, the reasons for the C Series evaporated because they were trying to be 15 per cent more fuel efficient than an A320 or a 737,” Mr. Leahy said. “Now that we have done our improvement to the [A320] product, they’re sitting there with essentially a me-too airplane without a very strong support network. … So they build a nice airplane but I think it’s a one-off. It’s going to be very difficult to sell.”

Full links:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com//repo...orphan/article28133795/?cmpid=rss1

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/airbus-off...bombardier-dumps-sales-partner-tag
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:08 pm

This might be the first time ever that I agree with a statement from John Leahy. I think he summarized the situation facing the C series quite well. It may be a fine aircraft in and of itself but it is looking more and more like a situation of being too little too late.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:19 pm

Quoting Flaps (Reply 84):
This might be the first time ever that I agree with a statement from John Leahy. I think he summarized the situation facing the C series quite well. It may be a fine aircraft in and of itself but it is looking more and more like a situation of being too little too late.

This would be true if C-Series was competing with 320 and 321 NEO.
But C-series is more of a A318 and A319 Competitor.

Just my 2 Cents.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:40 am

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 85):
This would be true if C-Series was competing with 320 and 321 NEO.
But C-series is more of a A318 and A319 Competitor.

I still strongly feel that UA will make the jump this year for 30 to 60 C-100's a/c for a start. Once they start operating the a/c they will realize the gem that they have and will increase there order plus order the CS-300 to cover the retirements of the a-319's.
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:37 pm

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 86):
I still strongly feel that UA will make the jump this year for 30 to 60 C-100's a/c for a start.

It remains to be seen.

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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:07 pm

Quoting AirbusCanada (Reply 83):
John Leahy is making comments on C-Series. I think it's a good sign for Bombardier, as Airbus is not ignoring them any more.....

I think Airbus's (and Boeing's) aggressive sales have made it clear they haven't been ignoring Bombardier, unfortunately for them.
 
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RE: Transport Canada Certifies CS100 Jet

Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:06 pm

First delivery to launch customer Swiss on track for second quarter

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http://www.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article55415675.html

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