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doulasc
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Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:25 pm

What are the chances of Cubana starting service from Cuba to the USA like to Miami,New York and other cities too.
Before 1960 Cubana served Miami and New York.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:32 pm

Absolutely. If the US airlines start you know Cubana will.

Demand will be the interesting piece at first. Over the next few years I bet Cuba will be a big deal.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:39 pm

I would love to see an IL96 fly into IAH! But that won't happen. I can see it flying into JFK however.

Any potential orders for CU? I can see some secondhand 737 or A32x in the short term, that's an aircraft size they are lacking in.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:45 pm

Quoting doulasc (Thread starter):
What are the chances of Cubana starting service from Cuba to the USA like to Miami,New York and other cities too.
Quoting B757capt (Reply 1):
Absolutely. If the US airlines start you know Cubana will.

Not very high with their own aircraft.

If they land their aircraft can be used as collateral in a number of lawsuits made against the Cuban government. The Obama Administration does not have the legal ability to protect Cubana from reposession. So, Cubana could wet-lease potentially or get sub-service perhaps. My understanding is that any fix for this would require Congress and there is no support for it.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:48 pm

Very likely we'll see them in the USA. And very likely that MIA will be flooded with Cubana aircraft.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):

They probably will. They already wet-lease for a majority of their routes to Canada.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 3):

My bet is that CU will do what it does on many routes, and that is to code share. AA being a leading contender as a partner,
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:55 pm

Hopefully the embargo will be ended and Cubana can buy western built aircraft. I would like to think Boeing but Cubana has experience with airbus.
Although an opportunity to fly again on a IL-96 or Tu-204 would be worth the price of the ticket.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:15 am

Quoting georgiabill (Reply 7):
Hopefully the embargo will be ended and Cubana can buy western built aircraft. I would like to think Boeing but Cubana has experience with airbus.
Although an opportunity to fly again on a IL-96 or Tu-204 would be worth the price of the ticket.

What would keep Cubana from buying additional Russian aircraft like the Tu-204 or An-158?

One would think that under the air service agreement, Cubana would be allowed to fly to the USA, and that their would
be some protections against near-term "repossession" of aircraft as Enilria eluded.

I think Cubana could fly the An-158 to points in Florida and maybe as far as IAH in Texas. Then the Tu-204 could fly as
far as JFK, ORD or LAX.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:21 am

As already mentioned, until the issue of U.S. assets in Cuba seized after Castro took over is resolved, I can't see Cubana operating their own aircraft to the U.S. as they would be at risk of seizure.

Related recent NY Times article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/wo...-property-worth-billions.html?_r=0
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting guyanam (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Reply 3):

My bet is that CU will do what it does on many routes, and that is to code share. AA being a leading contender as a partner,

Maybe, but that really makes them no money. Perhaps Eastern will be their sub-service operator?
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:34 am

I could be wrong, but aren't the Russian made aircraft blacklisted from flying into the US? If so, assuming that there was a way to get around the repossession problem, Cubana's only options would be their Airbus 319/320/ATR fleet... They only have 6 combined as far as I know; would that even be enough capacity to operate a decent Cuba-US network? Just curious...
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:38 am

Weren't Cubana still operating IL62s until about 2012? So close! Oh my god that would have been awesome to see scheduled IL62 service to the US...
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:41 am

Quoting joeycapps (Reply 11):
I could be wrong, but aren't the Russian made aircraft blacklisted from flying into the US?

I do know SU has flown IL-62 & IL-96 from Moscow & Tupleov 504? IIRC via ANC to SEA from the Russian far East.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:45 am

Quoting joeycapps (Reply 11):
I could be wrong, but aren't the Russian made aircraft blacklisted from flying into the US?

They are not blacklisted AFAIK.

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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:51 am

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 14):

They are not blacklisted AFAIK.


I should've thought of that, since I saw an Antonov landing at ONT. The more I think about it, the more I'm positive I've read on A.Net a long time ago about SOME Russian aircraft being banned either in the US or Europe for noise regulations. You guys are right though, thanks for the pic!  
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 12:57 am

Quoting joeycapps (Reply 11):
I could be wrong, but aren't the Russian made aircraft blacklisted from flying into the US?

To my knowledge there isnt. SU use to fly IL-56 into JFK. Interjet currently operates the superjet into IAH & MIA
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:00 am

Quoting joeycapps (Reply 15):
I'm positive I've read on A.Net a long time ago about SOME Russian aircraft being banned either in the US or Europe for noise regulations.

Many older aircraft types, not just Russian, are banned from operations in the US and Europe if they don't comply with the relevant noise regulations.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 1:15 am

Interjet regularly flies the Sukhoi Superjet into cities in Texas.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:06 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):

I checked several routes where CU does fly their own planes, places like PAR, YYZ, and MAD. and they only flew a token number of flights. Given the massive expenditures in infrastructure that will be needed
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 6:32 am

Quoting joeycapps (Reply 11):
I could be wrong, but aren't the Russian made aircraft blacklisted from flying into the US?

No blanket ban on Russian a/c operating in the US, no.

I'm sure there are some that can't fly due to noise regulations and the like, though.
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:58 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
What would keep Cubana from buying additional Russian aircraft like the Tu-204 or An-158?

Don't want to sound picky, but the An-158, though about 80% of its components are Russian, is built in Ukraine. Only the An-148 was also built in Russia, but not anymore.
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:52 pm

Would airlines be allowed to buisness with Cubana? Such as wet leases and such? Or would this still be illegal under U.S. law?

If not I see this as a prime opportunity for EA
 
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RE: Cubana To The USA

Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:49 am

aren't all new planes from Boeing,Airbus and Ilyushun meet stage 2 and 3 noise requirements.

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