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DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:05 pm

DL has signed a contract with RR to overhaul RB715 engines powering the B717 fleet. Congrats to Tec Ops for yet another engine overhaul line.

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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:14 pm

It seems that the short love affair DL's alleged to have had with GE, and the longgggg love affair it definitely had with PW way back in the day, are long sine gone...

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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:54 pm

Funny how the RR / Delta relationship goes around, first there was the L-1011 which DL loved in all its iterations. When the 757 comes surprise surprise they get Pratt engines PW2037, Rolls is no longer the engine supplier, if here was ever a fleet of 757 that should have been Rolls powered it was Delta's.

The 767 goes GE to PW back to GE, the NW A330 have PW and the new Delta A333 have GE engines. Delta buys A350 and A330neo and Rolls is the belle again. LH is usually a GE airline and BA is a Rolls airline but DL shops for its engines at Sears, we'll take the cheapest.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:08 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):

Funny how the RR / Delta relationship goes around, first there was the L-1011 which DL loved in all its iterations. When the 757 comes surprise surprise they get Pratt engines PW2037, Rolls is no longer the engine supplier, if here was ever a fleet of 757 that should have been Rolls powered it was Delta's.

The 767 goes GE to PW back to GE, the NW A330 have PW and the new Delta A333 have GE engines. Delta buys A350 and A330neo and Rolls is the belle again. LH is usually a GE airline and BA is a Rolls airline but DL shops for its engines at Sears, we'll take the cheapest.

Conversely AA chose RR for its 757 and 777s (and Tays for the F100), and had a nice JV engine overhaul deal with RR. Indeed it was said they were upset that Boeing gave GE exclusivity on the 77W.

Lo and behold, AA choose GE for their 787s and now the overhaul plant is being closed down!
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:07 am

It's actually the "BR715", as it was developed by a BMW / Rolls-Royce joint venture that's now wholly owned by Rolls-Royce as Rolls-Royce Deutschland  
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:18 am

Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 4):

You are absolutely correct, my mistake on switching the two arround. Mods if possible please fix the title. Thank you.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:26 am

Before this agreement, was DL shipping the engines overseas for overhaul? I remember reading awhile back that FL and HI had to do that.
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:27 am

I wonder if that includes the entire BR700 family, or just the BR715.
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:45 am

Quoting luv2cattlecall (Reply 6):
shipping the engines overseas for overhaul? I remember reading awhile back that FL and HI had to do that.


How many BR715 are in operation? Would it make sense for Qantas and Volotea to ship engines to the USA. I can see Hawaiian shipping BR715 engines inside their A330's when they come over to Delta Tech Ops for their maintenance even if the 330's end in Minneapolis where IIRC most std maintenance takes place on the HI birds, the BR715 would then only be a relatively short distance from ATL engine operations. Could save HI some serious money!

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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:55 am

Excellent and long rumored news. Now they just need to figure out where to cram the BR715 line in ATL Tech Ops!
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:54 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
LH is usually a GE airline and BA is a Rolls airline

Wow. Where have you been?

BA selected GE90s for their first 777s and almost torpedoed the Trent 800 programme.

And it's been a while since LH chose a GE engine. They had no choice on the 747-8i or the 777X. They chose RR on the A380, A330. They haven't actively chosen a GE engine where there exists an alternative since the 1990s.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 1):
It seems that the short love affair DL's alleged to have had with GE, and the longgggg love affair it definitely had with PW way back in the day, are long sine gone...

Delta's "love" for GE was over blown by one poster who has a love for 764s and GE products.
The only time DL has bought GE engine post 763s is when they had too or when they went to the CF6 on the 333s(and my understanding is DL was offered a deal they couldn't turn down.)
But DL had to go GE on the 737s, 77Ls, CR9s, E75s, E90s, they have bought post BK.

In theory they could have gone IAE on the 321 order but it makes little since to do so when you already have a CFM56-5B overhaul shop in-house and the V2500s get sent half way around the world.

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 3):

Lo and behold, AA choose GE for their 787s and now the overhaul plant is being closed down!

That is because they got a great deal from GE's leasing arm for the 787s.

Quoting luv2cattlecall (Reply 6):

Before this agreement, was DL shipping the engines overseas for overhaul?

yes.

Quoting coronado (Reply 8):
Would it make sense for Qantas and Volotea to ship engines to the USA. I can see Hawaiian shipping BR715 engines inside their A330's when they come over to Delta Tech Ops for their maintenance even if the 330's end in Minneapolis where IIRC most std maintenance takes place on the HI birds, the BR715 would then only be a relatively short distance from ATL engine operations. Could save HI some serious money!

I would say there is nothing stopping QF from sending them to ATL. DL just signed a deal with VA to do its CFM56-7Bs in ATL and DL sends its V2500 to the NZ/Pratt JV in Christchurch for overhaul.

I would be shocked if DL didn't end up doing the HA engines. Delta already does 330 checks, 767 checks, paint, 767 components and CF6 engine overhauls for HA. I fully expect more Airbus components, 717 engines and components to end up being done by Delta.

And IIRC Volotea and T5 send their 717 work to LH, not sure about engines though.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:01 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 7):
I wonder if that includes the entire BR700 family, or just the BR715.

Has Delta TechOps ever done work on any non-airline products (obviously excusing the corporate operated BBJs etc...)

AFAIK the BR710 and 712 are only on Business Aircraft.
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:15 pm

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 12):

Has Delta TechOps ever done work on any non-airline products (obviously excusing the corporate operated BBJs etc...)

AFAIK the BR710 and 712 are only on Business Aircraft.

the rest of the BR family is business/corporate engines. I personally don't see them being done at Delta.


this isn't an engine that is going to have a tone of MRO work. My understanding the reason it is coming in house is compared to engines like the CFM56, CF34 and V2500 the TBOs are pretty piss poor.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:14 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 13):


this isn't an engine that is going to have a tone of MRO work. My understanding the reason it is coming in house is compared to engines like the CFM56, CF34 and V2500 the TBOs are pretty piss poor.

My only exposure to them has been in the bizjet world and almost everyone I know that has a global or a G500/550 has them on the Rolls PBTH plans. They seem to be pretty reliable AFAIK in that world.
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:18 pm

Quoting northwestEWR (Reply 9):
Now they just need to figure out where to cram the BR715 line in ATL Tech Ops!

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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 10):
BA selected GE90s for their first 777s and almost torpedoed the Trent 800 programme.

And it's been a while since LH chose a GE engine. They had no choice on the 747-8i or the 777X. They chose RR on the A380, A330. They haven't actively chosen a GE engine where there exists an alternative since the 1990s.

I have been a well informed aviation person, Thank you very much. I am well aware that the first bunch of BA 777 were GE and GE also purchased the engine overhaul operations from BA in Wales in conjunction with that order.

I know LH purchased A380 with Rolls engines too and they did with their A330 fleet.

Today you can't buy an airplane with a alternative engine, not a 747, 777, A330neo or A350. Only older planes like a 767 or A330.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:11 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Today you can't buy an airplane with a alternative engine, not a 747, 777, A330neo or A350. Only older planes like a 767 or A330.

Are you saying that the 787 and A380 are older planes?
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:15 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
I have been a well informed aviation person, Thank you very much.
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Today you can't buy an airplane with a alternative engine

  
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 17):

Are you saying that the 787 and A380 are older planes?

The Boeing is a seven sixty seven and the AB an A three thirty. which are older, an A380 is not as New as an A350 or 787 so to some degree it is older.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 6:22 pm

You're missing his point.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Today you can't buy an airplane with a alternative engine

You can. The 380, the 320 NEO and the 787 all have multiple engine options.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:35 pm

DL was long rumored to have negotiated a 50% cut in engine overhaul costs. Part is RR promised as PIP to extend overhaul. Bringing overhaul in house helps too.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 7):
I wonder if that includes the entire BR700 family, or just the BR715.

Did RR just invite the fox into the henhouse?

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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:26 am

RR have fixed time / price agreements with every overhaul agent.

Only reasons DL would want this work in-house, is if they are confident their costs are lower than the RR allowance, and/or their staff are more skilled (so can complete work under time), and/or they are confident of RR introduced 3rd party work, and/or for strategic reasons.

RR also handle settlements and credits when DL engines need service overseas, and other operators need DL RR service not covered by PBTH.

RR carry the debtor / creditor exposure for non-PBTH operators, and costs incurred versus revenue earned is netted.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:32 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
Today you can't buy an airplane with a alternative engine, not a 747, 777, A330neo or A350. Only older planes like a 767 or A330.

I think you are forgetting the 787 and A380.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 16):
I know LH purchased A380 with Rolls engines too and they did with their A330 fleet.

OK. I was just wondering why you then wrote "Lufthansa is [present tense] usually a GE airline."

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
LH is usually a GE airline

"Used to be" might be closer to the truth.
 
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RE: DL Tec Ops To Overhaul RR RB715

Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:01 pm

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 14):

My only exposure to them has been in the bizjet world and almost everyone I know that has a global or a G500/550 has them on the Rolls PBTH plans. They seem to be pretty reliable AFAIK in that world.

because they have much lower cycles so its not nearly the work for those engines when compared to a DL 717 that is doing 3-4 legs a day most of the year.

Quoting flyDTW1992 (Reply 15):

Inside a new heavy maintenance outpost at DTW, of course!

sorry you won't seen engine work done in DTW imo.If a engine is done outside of Atlanta I would expect it to be a under 45K thrust engine in MSP. (but IIRC would take some expansion but that engine shop is really to small to do engine overhauls. Right now they just do hospital work and RTS checks on the outsourced engines, IIRC.)

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 21):

Did RR just invite the fox into the henhouse?

I don't think so. IMO very smart for Roll to partner up with Delta. It gives them a solid way to keep the RR name in North America. United and American are clearly leaning more GE (minus the TXWB).
Also one thing to think about, DL is on a buying spree of at least part of other airlines. I fully expect at some point you will see (at least) DL/VS/AM getting closer in what types of airplanes and engines they buy and, more importantly TechOps is doing a lot of work for said airlines. (Engines/components for AM A330 c-checks for Virgin and I fully expect there Trent 1000s end up being done in Atlanta also)
So I think Rolls just sees this as a chance to get in closer with DL and pick up more and more orders.


and FWIW TechOps has been producing very good numbers. TATs and TBOs are very good and price is also good.

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