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Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1): ....and there's PROBABLY your answer! |
Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 2): Most anti-competitive merger we've seen in a long time. |
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3): I had assumed WN's numbers were stronger than FL's. |
Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter): Impressive milestone |
Quoting avi8 (Reply 8): I think very few hubs have this kind of potential. Having around 900 daily flights on a single carrier is not seen anywhere else in the world. AA has around 700+ flights from DFW in second place. |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10): There is a billion people in China with a middle class that is just starting to pop. Once that happens, a nation 1/3 the size will not hold the record any longer. |
Quoting commavia (Reply 9): Not to sound like the typical civic booster, but I actually would submit that DFW arguably has as much, if not more, potential to ultimately reach these levels of frequency and capacity as any airport in the U.S. The demographic, economic and geographic fundamentals, to say nothing of the runway layout and airfield capacity, definitely seem to portend continued, steady growth for DFW (the region and the airport). |
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10): There is a billion people in China with a middle class that is just starting to pop. Once that happens, a nation 1/3 the size will not hold the record any longer. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11): Those that dispute those demographic facts are ignoring reality. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 4): All the media pundits were suggesting Beijing would leave Atlanta in the dust years ago. Congratulations to Atlanta for staying on top! |
Quoting commavia (Reply 9): Actually, AA at DFW is these days well over 800 daily departures - somewhere in the 820-830 range depending on season. |
Quoting Prost (Reply 16): Personally, if I were choosing a connecting flight, I understand a larger hub might afford you more possibilities, and more protection during IROPS, but I must say, I usually prefer smaller hubs over larger. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19): For anyone fretting over China or Dubai I have just one word: Istanbul. |
Quoting delimit (Reply 23): You think Turkish will be able to more than double the number of passengers it handles in 5 years? Really? I'd call that far fetched. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 24): Having said that, IST has grown over 18% in the last year and TK alone has 170 aircraft on the order books, most of which are for expansion not replacement. So yes, I'm fairly confident that barring a major economic downturn, IST will be in the 100million mark within 5-6 years. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 24): TK is not the only airline operating at IST or wanting to expand in IST. There's a long list of airlines wanting to expand there but they can't because the airport is running at full capacity. EK alone would probably operate 3x A380 if they could. Having said that, IST has grown over 18% in the last year and TK alone has 170 aircraft on the order books, most of which are for expansion not replacement. So yes, I'm fairly confident that barring a major economic downturn, IST will be in the 100million mark within 5-6 years. |
Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 14): I didn't write that quote. |
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25): 18% growth still wouldn't get IST to 100 million in 5 years. And 18% continuing year-over-year is being generous. |
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25): 18% growth still wouldn't get IST to 100 million in 5 years. |
Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25): And 18% continuing year-over-year is being generous. |
Quoting UALWN (Reply 31): 18% y-o-y growth in the next five years would turn IST's current 60 million passengers into more than 137 million. |
Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 33): . Fact is ATL growth isn't going to stop so IST will need to be growing that much faster, more than 11% y/y to take over ATL. |
Quoting aaflyguy (Reply 32): Just saw ATL's Nov traffic results, which showed a whopping 10.8% increase year over year. That's amazing for an airport producing such a high volume of traffic already. Through Nov 2015 vs 2014, TOTAL PASSENGERS 93,269,225 vs 88,358,577 +5.56%. Once the Nov figures were finalized, there was no doubt 100M would be surpassed for the year. I'm pretty sure 10.8% in one month is the largest percentage increase the airport has seen in 2015. If Dec traffic is flat, there'll be 7.8M total passengers for the month, which would put them a hair over 101M total. Incredible. And with DL's upgauging continuing to occur along with other airlines adding capacity @ ATL, 2016 should see more growth. |
Quoting delimit (Reply 34): At 4% growth (which looks fair given the last 10 years) ATL will be handling 120 million in 5 years. IST would pass it at 18% growth. But at 16% or less it won't. |
Quoting airbazar (Reply 15): http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...dubai-takes-1-international-243972 "Another trend that stands out among the world’s largest airports is the relatively slow growth at Beijing Capital Airport in 2014 (+2.9%) as the Chinese economy started to stall. There has been a revival in 1H2015, with average growth of 6.7%, but as the Chinese stock market collapse has mainly taken place in 2H2015 it remains to be seen what effect will be felt by the aviation sector in the remainder of this year. " |
Quoting delimit (Reply 23): You think Turkish will be able to almost double the number of passengers it handles in 5 years? Really? I'd call that far fetched. |
Quoting delimit (Reply 37): I don't disagree that IST will eventually grow to those numbers. I disagree with your timeframe. ATL is there now. |
Quoting mark2fly1034 (Reply 41): I would say ATL can easily handle 120 million or more. |
Quoting Prost (Reply 16): Personally, if I were choosing a connecting flight, I understand a larger hub might afford you more possibilities, and more protection during IROPS, but I must say, I usually prefer smaller hubs over larger. |
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19): For anyone fretting over China or Dubai I have just one word: Istanbul. |
Quoting delimit (Reply 34): At 4% growth (which looks fair given the last 10 years) ATL will be handling 120 million in 5 years. IST would pass it at 18% growth. But at 16% or less it won't. |
Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 43): Wow. When does DL open a reliever hub? |
Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 46): Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 43): Wow. When does DL open a reliever hub? Never. The concept of the reliever hub is fatally flawed for any hub that has potential for growth, be it from facilities upgrades, or from upgauging. Ops at the reliever hub are fighting low marginal costs at the main hub. |
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44): When will wikipedia be updated. I'm not used to the lag being so long. I wanted to compare ATL to other competitors, but the data is only 1Q2015. We should have 2Q2015 at least by now. Sigh... I look forward to the comparison. The first airport to hit 100 million is amazing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic |