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ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:58 am

"ATLANTA – Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL) will soon become the first airport ever to serve 100 million passengers in a single year. On Tuesday, December 22nd, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed will join ATL General Manager Miguel Southwell to discuss the historic aviation milestone and announce the date that the 100-millionth passenger will arrive."
http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo...Press_Release_Article.aspx?id=1046

Impressive milestone. I think some here thought it would be PEK or even DXB that would hit 100 million before ATL.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:05 am

Interestingly, change the last 2 letters of Mr. Southwell to ST


....and there's PROBABLY your answer!
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:53 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 1):
....and there's PROBABLY your answer!

No idea what you're even trying to say.

Though if you're suggesting that ATL's growth has come on the back of WN, I'd say it's probably not the case. If anything, they've been DL's biggest blessing in the market.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:04 am

I had assumed WN's numbers were stronger than FL's.

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 2):
Most anti-competitive merger we've seen in a long time.

Oh, I quite agree with you there.
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:40 am

All the media pundits were suggesting Beijing would leave Atlanta in the dust years ago. Congratulations to Atlanta for staying on top!
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:00 am

ATL is hardly perfect and some parts are woefully cramped but it is a very efficient hub capable of enabling some tight connections. Repeat passengers who are familiar with the layout probably have an easier time catching their connecting flight than O&D passengers. As a domestic powerhouse with a decent international network it makes perfect sense ATL's numbers will rise despite a sluggish economy.

Chinese airports will win over time, but for now Fortress ATL holds the record.
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:01 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 3):

I had assumed WN's numbers were stronger than FL's.

WN carries significantly less traffic through ATL than FL did, and the number isn't really trending upward. In 2012, for example, AirTran carried 12.4 million passengers on its own and WN added about 1.4 million of its own (so 2012 WN+FL = ~13.8 million).

Flash forward to 2014, WN carried just under 9.8 million passengers and FL added about 0.5 million prior to ceasing its own operations (so 2014 WN+FL = ~10.3 million).

The most recently available stats for ATL show WN had carried just under 8 million passengers through October 2015. At the same point in 2014, WN+FL had carried approximately 8.8 million passengers.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:31 am

Quoting tortugamon (Thread starter):
Impressive milestone

It sure is. Though several other hubs have the potential to reach this number, Atlanta got there first. Others will reach that number too, and may even surpass Atlanta in several years, but not yet.   So congratulations to all involved in reaching this milestone!   
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:02 pm

I think very few hubs have this kind of potential. Having around 900 daily flights on a single carrier is not seen anywhere else in the world. AA has around 700+ flights from DFW in second place. I think maybe ORD will get there the soonest from the US side.
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:15 pm

Definitely an impressive accomplishment for the airport, and a testament to the staggering volumes of people that Delta moves through its main hub - wow.

Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
I think very few hubs have this kind of potential. Having around 900 daily flights on a single carrier is not seen anywhere else in the world. AA has around 700+ flights from DFW in second place.

Actually, AA at DFW is these days well over 800 daily departures - somewhere in the 820-830 range depending on season.

Not to sound like the typical civic booster, but I actually would submit that DFW arguably has as much, if not more, potential to ultimately reach these levels of frequency and capacity as any airport in the U.S. The demographic, economic and geographic fundamentals, to say nothing of the runway layout and airfield capacity, definitely seem to portend continued, steady growth for DFW (the region and the airport).
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:48 pm

Both will be passed by China and the Middle East shortly...and we won't see them catch back up in our lifetimes.

There is a billion people in China with a middle class that is just starting to pop. Once that happens, a nation 1/3 the size will not hold the record any longer.

Those that dispute those demographic facts are ignoring reality.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):

There is a billion people in China with a middle class that is just starting to pop. Once that happens, a nation 1/3 the size will not hold the record any longer.

It really depends on how much traffic the new proposed Beijing south airport will siphon off the existing PEK. PVG and SHA has split the traffic of Shanghai, and as a result, PVG will need at least another 8 years to reach 100m based on the current growth rate of 9.5%. And don't forget that on a nominal basis, US GDP per capita is still 6.7x larger than China.

Similarly, we don't know what EK's true plans are for DXB vs. DWC.

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):

Not to sound like the typical civic booster, but I actually would submit that DFW arguably has as much, if not more, potential to ultimately reach these levels of frequency and capacity as any airport in the U.S. The demographic, economic and geographic fundamentals, to say nothing of the runway layout and airfield capacity, definitely seem to portend continued, steady growth for DFW (the region and the airport).

Full-year 2014, LAX had 70.7m growing at 6.0% while DFW was 63.5m growing at 5.1%. If both continue their same course, I'd expect LAX to hit the 100m just a bit earlier than DFW.

LAX may hit it by 2020 while DFW is sometime either 2023 or 2024. Again, all these projections are based on "staying the course" since it's fruitless for us to guess any potential change in AA's corporate strategy.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:31 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
There is a billion people in China with a middle class that is just starting to pop. Once that happens, a nation 1/3 the size will not hold the record any longer.

Well I guess it depends on city planning. It seems like DXB is planning their aviation around one single hub and I do think DWC will take the lead at some point. However PEK is building other airports and traffic and transportation is an issue getting to some hubs so secondary airports will become more important splitting traffic. Similar to JFK/EWR/LGA, NRT/HND, etc. The think PEK will go ahead of ATL at some point too but the multiple airports per city will mitigate it. IST is another example for the time being.

Overall traffic will certainly be higher in China vs the US at some point.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:44 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 11):
Those that dispute those demographic facts are ignoring reality.

Yes, and those who ignore the fact that China is building NUMEROUS new airports (each of which will siphon off a portion of the air traffic load) are also ignoring reality. Regards. -ir
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Quoting IslandRob (Reply 13):

I didn't write that quote.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:17 pm

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 4):
All the media pundits were suggesting Beijing would leave Atlanta in the dust years ago. Congratulations to Atlanta for staying on top!
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...dubai-takes-1-international-243972
"Another trend that stands out among the world’s largest airports is the relatively slow growth at Beijing Capital Airport in 2014 (+2.9%) as the Chinese economy started to stall. There has been a revival in 1H2015, with average growth of 6.7%, but as the Chinese stock market collapse has mainly taken place in 2H2015 it remains to be seen what effect will be felt by the aviation sector in the remainder of this year. "
 
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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:35 pm

Personally, if I were choosing a connecting flight, I understand a larger hub might afford you more possibilities, and more protection during IROPS, but I must say, I usually prefer smaller hubs over larger.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:32 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 9):
Actually, AA at DFW is these days well over 800 daily departures - somewhere in the 820-830 range depending on season.

The one caveat to that is that DL is running nearly twice the amount of mainline flights that AA is. DL has been running north of 780 mainline flights for many months, while AA is usually between 400 and 430. This makes a tremendous different when looking at total seat capacity, which is one of the reasons that ATL is so far ahead. DL has more mainline at ATL than UA and AA have at ORD combined, and that doesn't include WN and their 120+ mainline flights.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:38 pm

Quoting Prost (Reply 16):

Personally, if I were choosing a connecting flight, I understand a larger hub might afford you more possibilities, and more protection during IROPS, but I must say, I usually prefer smaller hubs over larger.

That's one of the reasons why I love connecting at LAX - no matter if you're AA DL WN UA, for any Dom-to-Dom itinerary, the amount of walking is relatively little. I have no qualms about scheduling 35min connections at LAX, but I'd freak out if that's what I get at IAH or CLT.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:54 pm

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:04 pm

Another factor that should be considered is that ATL is definitely planning ahead. In the next 10 years we will see an extension of the International concourse and possibly the beginning of Concourses H & I for more domestic service along with the proposed 6th runway that will straddle between existing runways 4 & 5. All in all in the next 15-20 years ATL's capacity will grow by another 20-25 million realistically. Additionally, ATL and DL will handle much of this increased capacity through more gates but also higher capacity aircraft. For example, ATL is already seeing this with the 739's DL has and more on the way along with the upcoming A321's as well. The upgauging of equipment is lending to almost every airports capacity with relatively even or same numbers of frequencies at the moment. Additionally, CRJ's being upgauged to E190/195's, 717's, 319's and the list goes on. ATL, PEK, LHR will all see steady growth in the coming years due to upgauging of equipment and expansion of gates but make no mistake about it, ATL IS FIRST!!!!!!!


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Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:05 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
For anyone fretting over China or Dubai I have just one word: Istanbul.

Perhaps one day, but it only handles something over half ATL's numbers currently.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:30 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 21):

Presuming that the new airport opens on time, give it five years.
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:34 pm

You think Turkish will be able to almost double the number of passengers it handles in 5 years? Really? I'd call that far fetched.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:53 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 23):
You think Turkish will be able to more than double the number of passengers it handles in 5 years? Really? I'd call that far fetched.

TK is not the only airline operating at IST or wanting to expand in IST. There's a long list of airlines wanting to expand there but they can't because the airport is running at full capacity. EK alone would probably operate 3x A380 if they could.
Having said that, IST has grown over 18% in the last year and TK alone has 170 aircraft on the order books, most of which are for expansion not replacement. So yes, I'm fairly confident that barring a major economic downturn, IST will be in the 100million mark within 5-6 years.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:07 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
Having said that, IST has grown over 18% in the last year and TK alone has 170 aircraft on the order books, most of which are for expansion not replacement. So yes, I'm fairly confident that barring a major economic downturn, IST will be in the 100million mark within 5-6 years.

18% growth still wouldn't get IST to 100 million in 5 years. And 18% continuing year-over-year is being generous.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:26 pm

My home airport! No offense to WN but ATL is widget land!
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:48 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 24):
TK is not the only airline operating at IST or wanting to expand in IST. There's a long list of airlines wanting to expand there but they can't because the airport is running at full capacity. EK alone would probably operate 3x A380 if they could.
Having said that, IST has grown over 18% in the last year and TK alone has 170 aircraft on the order books, most of which are for expansion not replacement. So yes, I'm fairly confident that barring a major economic downturn, IST will be in the 100million mark within 5-6 years.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:30 pm

Quoting jetblue1965 (Reply 14):
I didn't write that quote.

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Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:13 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25):

18% growth still wouldn't get IST to 100 million in 5 years. And 18% continuing year-over-year is being generous.

That's what people said 5 years ago when IST handled only 30 million passengers. They're almost at 60 million today. But they don't need anywhere near 18% YoY to get to 100 million in 5 years (about 10% will do). What they do need is for the economy in Europe to continue to recover, especially in Germany; a new airport; and to a lesser extent for the non-sense in Crimea and Syria to either calm down or stay contained.
PEK has not reached 100mil because the Chinese economy cooled down. By the same token IST won't reach 100mil is the economy in Europe gets any worse.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:21 pm

Quoting N867DA (Reply 5):

Not sure about that. Chinese airport growth will be more spread out as secondary cities emerge I reckon.

And Chinese population as a whole will decrease as Middle class rise and poverty decrease.
 
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Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:48 pm

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25):
18% growth still wouldn't get IST to 100 million in 5 years.

18% y-o-y growth in the next five years would turn IST's current 60 million passengers into more than 137 million.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 25):
And 18% continuing year-over-year is being generous.

It is a tall order indeed. 11% y-o-y growth would suffice for IST to surpass 100 million in 2020.
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Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:26 am

Just saw ATL's Nov traffic results, which showed a whopping 10.8% increase year over year. That's amazing for an airport producing such a high volume of traffic already.

Through Nov 2015 vs 2014, TOTAL PASSENGERS 93,269,225 vs 88,358,577 +5.56%.

Once the Nov figures were finalized, there was no doubt 100M would be surpassed for the year. I'm pretty sure 10.8% in one month is the largest percentage increase the airport has seen in 2015.

If Dec traffic is flat, there'll be 7.8M total passengers for the month, which would put them a hair over 101M total. Incredible. And with DL's upgauging continuing to occur along with other airlines adding capacity @ ATL, 2016 should see more growth.

Looking forward to seeing how ATL commemorated the event this weekend. Some passenger is going to be quite lucky, and just after Christmas!

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Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:33 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 31):

After seeing the Chinese blunder and all those saying it would overtake Atlamta years and years ago I will believe IST overtaking it when I see it. Fact is ATL growth isn't going to stop so IST will need to be growing that much faster, more than 11% y/y to take over ATL.
 
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Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:58 am

Quoting UALWN (Reply 31):
18% y-o-y growth in the next five years would turn IST's current 60 million passengers into more than 137 million.

To be fair, we were talking about TK, not IST. Other than TK no one is going to grow at near that rate YoY for 5 years when the new airport opens. 11% growth by TK would not push IST past ATL.

Quoting chrisp390 (Reply 33):
. Fact is ATL growth isn't going to stop so IST will need to be growing that much faster, more than 11% y/y to take over ATL.

At 4% growth (which looks fair given the last 10 years) ATL will be handling 120 million in 5 years. IST would pass it at 18% growth. But at 16% or less it won't.
 
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Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:53 am

Quoting aaflyguy (Reply 32):
Just saw ATL's Nov traffic results, which showed a whopping 10.8% increase year over year. That's amazing for an airport producing such a high volume of traffic already.

Through Nov 2015 vs 2014, TOTAL PASSENGERS 93,269,225 vs 88,358,577 +5.56%.

Once the Nov figures were finalized, there was no doubt 100M would be surpassed for the year. I'm pretty sure 10.8% in one month is the largest percentage increase the airport has seen in 2015.

If Dec traffic is flat, there'll be 7.8M total passengers for the month, which would put them a hair over 101M total. Incredible. And with DL's upgauging continuing to occur along with other airlines adding capacity @ ATL, 2016 should see more growth.

In the other thread on this subject (which ended up being locked), i did some quick numbers and thought they were going to hit 100m (based on a 5% uplift) by 12/28. But that was on a base of 92,823,036 at the end of November, with the extra 450K pass on the base, that's going to put them more like 12/26. But really wouldn't it be cool, if they could do it on Christmas Day for a lucky passenger, might be a nice Christmas present for someone  ..


well smarter people than me say 12/27, so i was pretty close.

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo...Press_Release_Article.aspx?id=1047

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Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:42 am

Quoting delimit (Reply 34):

At 4% growth (which looks fair given the last 10 years) ATL will be handling 120 million in 5 years. IST would pass it at 18% growth. But at 16% or less it won't.

The big question is, can ATL handle 120 million passengers? Does the airport have the infrastructure to do it? Can DL even grow that much more?
PEK, the new IST, and even DXB could all surpass 100 million passengers in the next 5 years. However with Beijing building a new airport, that should take some growth out of PEK. And DXB is already pretty busy. So to me the next most likely candidate to surpass the 100million mark will be the new IST.
 
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Thu Dec 24, 2015 1:26 pm

According to the airport itself? Probably not, but they have a plan to address that. They're estimates look to be based around 2% growth.
ATL_ExecSumm_2015_101415_Spreads.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airpo...L_ExecSumm_2015_101415_Spreads.pdf

If we're talking 5 years, the new IST isn't even schedule to open till 2018. It will completely replace Ataturk. The new Beijing airport won't, so PEK's numbers will plunge in 2018.

I don't disagree that IST will eventually grow to those numbers. I disagree with your timeframe. ATL is there now. The only airport that might catch it within 5 years would be PEK, but it would need to do so in 3 years, before the new airport opens.
 
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Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:16 pm

Are there statistics on miles flown per airport? I like the passenger statistics as it talks about an airports' quality of infrastructure, services and attractiveness.

But the miles flown can also show some other interesting facts about an airport... . Googled around, but haven't found anything, also not on ACI.

Thx.

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Fri Dec 25, 2015 8:57 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 15):
http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...dubai-takes-1-international-243972
"Another trend that stands out among the world’s largest airports is the relatively slow growth at Beijing Capital Airport in 2014 (+2.9%) as the Chinese economy started to stall. There has been a revival in 1H2015, with average growth of 6.7%, but as the Chinese stock market collapse has mainly taken place in 2H2015 it remains to be seen what effect will be felt by the aviation sector in the remainder of this year. "

I would think the extensive HSR network in China is also a factor, albeit not as significant as originally envisaged?
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Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 23):
You think Turkish will be able to almost double the number of passengers it handles in 5 years? Really? I'd call that far fetched.

I agree. Especially considering the less attractive working conditions for pilots there. Lots of local pilots who don't like the expats as they feel they are taking their jobs. Poor roster pattern (non commuting although they claim it is), almost impossible for expats to become captains there. They need to seriously improve the overall package to attract that many expat pilots.
 
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Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:29 pm

I would say ATL can easily handle 120 million or more. E and F tends to be underused most of the day till the afternoon bank of international departures. Even some of the far off gets like B1 B37 etc at the ends of the concourses tend to get underused in the morning and evening. The bigger question who would fill that void of the extra pax. Its not going to be DL anytime soon as they are want a 0% increase over the next year maybe in a few more years that would be possible.
 
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Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:57 pm

Quoting delimit (Reply 37):
I don't disagree that IST will eventually grow to those numbers. I disagree with your timeframe. ATL is there now.

I don't know about catching ATL in 5 years but I do believe there's a strong possibility that it will surpass 100million in 5 years.

Quoting mark2fly1034 (Reply 41):
I would say ATL can easily handle 120 million or more.

There's nothing easy about handling 100mil pax, let alone 120+ million. And that's when things are running without obstacles. Throw in a little thunderstorm and all hell breaks lose. Gate space is the least of the problems. If you can't service the aircraft on time or if passengers can't make their connections, having a parking spot for the plane is completely irrelevant. An airport of that size starts to hit the ceiling on existing resource management and logistics processes.
 
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Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:11 am

Wow. When does DL open a reliever hub?

  
 
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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:10 am

When will wikipedia be updated. I'm not used to the lag being so long. I wanted to compare ATL to other competitors, but the data is only 1Q2015. We should have 2Q2015 at least by now. Sigh... I look forward to the comparison. The first airport to hit 100 million is amazing!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

Quoting Prost (Reply 16):
Personally, if I were choosing a connecting flight, I understand a larger hub might afford you more possibilities, and more protection during IROPS, but I must say, I usually prefer smaller hubs over larger.

As my home airports are LGB and LAX, when I need to connect, only the larger hubs have the frequency to interest me. Thanks to lower cost per flight of newer airframes, unfortunately, smaller hubs can be bypassed. The trend is toward larger hubs and ATL is the big one today.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 19):
For anyone fretting over China or Dubai I have just one word: Istanbul.

But there is no competition for at least 5 years. ATL will reign for a while longer. It needs more terminal space and ideally a new runway. There will be growth at ATL, so it could be 10 years before surpassed.

But it will happen. The new Beijing, the new IST, DWC, or perhaps another airport will surpass any US airport (Unless DEN achieves its full potential). This will happen. But we have years to watch this.

I wonder if this will be like the ORD vs. ATL contest. It was close for years. Or will the new airport surpass and move on to a new level?

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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:12 am

Quoting delimit (Reply 34):
At 4% growth (which looks fair given the last 10 years) ATL will be handling 120 million in 5 years. IST would pass it at 18% growth. But at 16% or less it won't.

In 2006, ATL handled 85.9M passengers. Assuming they hit around 102M this year, that would mean an average of 1.7-1.8% growth over the past decade.

EDIT: Fixed calculation error.

[Edited 2015-12-26 01:18:16]
 
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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:52 am

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 43):
Wow. When does DL open a reliever hub?

Never. The concept of the reliever hub is fatally flawed for any hub that has potential for growth, be it from facilities upgrades, or from upgauging. Ops at the reliever hub are fighting low marginal costs at the main hub.
 
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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:14 pm

Quoting MIflyer12 (Reply 46):

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 43):
Wow. When does DL open a reliever hub?

Never. The concept of the reliever hub is fatally flawed for any hub that has potential for growth, be it from facilities upgrades, or from upgauging. Ops at the reliever hub are fighting low marginal costs at the main hub.

My post was strictly tongue in cheek.  
 
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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:00 pm

I watched the live stream on ATL's Facebook page this a.m. It was a guy traveling up north from Biloxi for work. Flight arrived at Gate F6 and was an MD88. They had to go around on arrival due to fog. Flight had a water cannon salute as it taxied into the gate. Nice size crowd there to welcome the flight. He got a new Nissan Altima from Nissan Union City (Mercedes-Benz or Porsche should have been the vehicle sponsor as both have their U.S. Headquarters in ATL with Porsche literally being next door to the airport), a $500 gift card from Thanks Again, a pair of Wireless Headsets, and two free tickets to any Delta destination worldwide in DeltaOne. He said he'd probably go to Disneyland or something..hope he rethinks that with such a tremendous opportunity!

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RE: ATL Reaches 100 Million Passengers - 1st Ever

Sun Dec 27, 2015 3:16 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44):
When will wikipedia be updated. I'm not used to the lag being so long. I wanted to compare ATL to other competitors, but the data is only 1Q2015. We should have 2Q2015 at least by now. Sigh... I look forward to the comparison. The first airport to hit 100 million is amazing!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_world%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

For some reason the source of the list, ACI, is only updated to April this year and that is why the wiki page is lagging.

http://www.aci.aero/Data-Centre/Mont...ata/Passenger-Summary/Year-to-date

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