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DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:16 am

Being from Michigan I have a special fondness for Northwest Airlines. As Delta begins the phase out of these birds I was wondering if you history buffs can refresh my memory of where NW used these birds in the past. I suspect the final flight will be MSP-DTW-ATL? I know it doesn't matter, but I feel the last 744 should land at DTW. LAX/SFO/NRT-DTW?

Just want to start a discussion
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:38 am

I would agree it'd be appropriate for the final ceremonial 744 flight to operate between DTW/MSP given that the lion's share of cycles amongst the 744 fleet within the USA involved DTW & MSP... but c'mon, this is DL, and any ceremonial flight with have to include ATL. The DC-9's ceremonial flight was MSP-ATL and DL threw a big party in ATL celebrating the rich history of an aircraft that flew very briefly for the airline & ATL (for the second time, at least). Meanwhile, barely a peep was mentioned about it at DTW. A slap in the face to DTW-based flyers who flew hundreds of flights on the aircraft, which flew throughout the entire network in the Eastern & Central time zones (and Pacific until the mid-1990s).
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:28 am

Of course DL will have the last 744 flight end in ATL. Not that it should. Did DL even order the 744's? I know NW did. A bunch of them and when DL merged with NW they got red of a number of them right of the bat saying that they were to big of an a/c for their needs. It's more like Richard does not like the 4-holers in any variety. The 747 has had a very rich history with NW not only flying the international routes but also winter domestic one too. I have very fond memories of going to Florida with my grandparents for the last time Easter time 1970 on 747 from MKE-ORD-MIA & back a week later. My Grandma did think a plane that big could get off the ground as it taxied up to the gate, then when she learned we were to board that big giant blank, blank, blank plane, she was not to happy with her husband for booking us on the flight. My brother and myself on the other hand were more then happy that he had but could not share with our grandfather at the time but he later gave us the wink.
But back to subject I think it would be more than fitting that the final operation be as such... NRT-LAX-ALT-DTW-MSP.
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:59 am

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):

Of course DL will have the last 744 flight end in ATL. Not that it should. Did DL even order the 744's? I know NW did. A bunch of them and when DL merged with NW they got red of a number of them right of the bat saying that they were to big of an a/c for their needs. It's more like Richard does not like the 4-holers in any variety. The 747 has had a very rich history with NW not only flying the international routes but also winter domestic one too. I have very fond memories of going to Florida with my grandparents for the last time Easter time 1970 on 747 from MKE-ORD-MIA & back a week later

DL had 747-100's which operated from ORD to both MIA & ATL during the early 70's. RA first worked at NW b4 DL, so If He were to still be CEO @ NW, apart from DL, NW would probably be doing the same as DL is doing now. I'm fairly certain that RA has some input as to the routing of the final 744 flight when that happens. As much as many of us like the 744, it doesn't make much sense to keep them with more efficient aircraft available like the 77W.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:31 am

Would love to see the 744 do PHX MSP, it all started for NW MSP PHX.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:56 am

I get a feeling that Delta won't do anything special before its withdrawn from service. I feel like its last revenue flight will just be wherever the plane is scheduled to land, but we'll see.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:18 am

I'm fond of these birds. In NW days I had the good fortune to fly every (passenger) 742 & 744 that NW had. I was especially fond of upstairs on the 742s & hated to see them go. Pity that the 744's days are numbered. I think DL will let it go quietly as it was never pivotal for them as it was for NW. But that's just my guess.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:21 am

For how long will DL operate the 744 still?
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:56 pm

The 744s will be around until sometime in 2017. There have been no final determination yet of final routes, farwell tours, etc. It is still about 18+ months out, likely sometime in fall 2017.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:02 pm

Quoting NW (Reply 4):
Would love to see the 744 do PHX MSP, it all started for NW MSP PHX.

I'm pretty sure those relative short flights were primarily training flights after they received their first 744. Actual initial long haul flights ( the intended purpose) was JFK to Osaka (OSA at that time).
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 5):
I feel like its last revenue flight will just be wherever the plane is scheduled to land

And the pilots will fly home on a DC-9 derivative, right? :p
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:55 pm

Quoting rta (Reply 5):

I get a feeling that Delta won't do anything special before its withdrawn from service. I feel like its last revenue flight will just be wherever the plane is scheduled to land, but we'll see.

I think there WILL be something...Already one bird will be preserved at the museum and there is talk of a "nose section" being preserved inside the hanger as well.
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 9):

NW would always add extra wide body capacity to PHX in the winter. I flew 747's and DC10's many times on that route in winter going and coming from MKE.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:26 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
The 744s will be around until sometime in 2017.
Quoting XAM2175 (Reply 10):
And the pilots will fly home on a DC-9 derivative, right?

I have a patient who drives DL 737s for a living, and recently I asked him to put in a good word with Richard Anderson for the acquisition of some new 748is. His comment was that "Delta has an aversion for 4 holers." It has been my experience that Delta also has an aversion to retiring old aircraft or buying new ones. (There are exceptions, of course.) With the price of gas dramatically lower, and those remaining 747s flying pretty full, it would be my hope that maybe, just maybe, those retirements will be delayed a few years. If I'm not mistaken, Delta was planning on an almost immediate phase out of the 747 with the Northwest merger. Well the merger was in 2008, and the 747s are still in the air. That said, having flown ATL-NRT upstairs last year, two amazingly comfortable, wonderful flights. Infinitely better than their 777s, which I hate. One can dream.
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:00 pm

Quoting NW (Reply 4):
Would love to see the 744 do PHX MSP, it all started for NW MSP PHX.

My thoughts exactly.

Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 9):
I'm pretty sure those relative short flights were primarily training flights after they received their first 744. Actual initial long haul flights ( the intended purpose) was JFK to Osaka (OSA at that time).

Yes they were, however, I feel the first and last flights configured that way would be a novel way to end the aircrafts life with NW/DL.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:59 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
better than their 777s, which I hate. One can dream.

Please tell us how you an "hate" the 777? Just curious to see if there is a cure for you mental state of mind 
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:05 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
That said, having flown ATL-NRT upstairs last year, two amazingly comfortable, wonderful flights. Infinitely better than their 777s, which I hate.

I fully agree with you. Sadly airlines dont care to offer their high-yield pax the best compartments anymore. A genereic 777-tube, thats fine for most airline executives. No word about intimite upper decks or triangular front compartments, which are superior to anything the 777 will ever be able to offer.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:26 pm

I have always found the upper deck on the 747 to be very noisy. Don't me wrong as I think the airplane is beautiful but I rather be on the main deck.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:39 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
If I'm not mistaken, Delta was planning on an almost immediate phase out of the 747 with the Northwest merger. Well the merger was in 2008, and the 747s are still in the air.

not true. They were planning on keeping at least this long if not longer.

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
With the price of gas dramatically lower, and those remaining 747s flying pretty full, it would be my hope that maybe, just maybe, those retirements will be delayed a few years.

won't happen. If they could park the rest of the fleet tomorrow they probably would.

Quoting na (Reply 16):

I fully agree with you. Sadly airlines dont care to offer their high-yield pax the best compartments anymore. A genereic 777-tube, thats fine for most airline executives. No word about intimite upper decks or triangular front compartments, which are superior to anything the 777 will ever be able to offer.

that is because the vast majority of people aren't going to pay to fly on a 747 v a 777, 350, 330, 787 etc.
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:56 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 15):
Please tell us how you an "hate" the 777? Just curious to see if there is a cure for you mental state of mind 

    
Quoting na (Reply 16):

A genereic 777-tube, thats fine for most airline executives...

Blame them for not buying 748I? Because everything else is 777-tube-like.

Looks like good old days here on a.net though, with our certified 777 hater on the run...  Smile

[Edited 2015-12-23 10:57:28]
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:02 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):
The 744s will be around until sometime in 2017. There have been no final determination yet of final routes, farwell tours, etc. It is still about 18+ months out, likely sometime in fall 2017.

Wow, the day of retirement is getting closer and closer. I had the chance to fly on a DL-branded 744 NRT-JFK in May of 2011 and it was awesome. Sadly the jumbos did not have PTVs at that point in time (they do now), but it was nonetheless a wonderful experience. Seems to me I need to book my farewell DL 744 flight at some point during 2016 or 2017!
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:12 pm

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
It has been my experience that Delta also has an aversion to retiring old aircraft or buying new ones. (There are exceptions, of course.)

Obviously, you haven't seen the most recent orders for A321s, A330s, A350s, B739s, etc.

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
and those remaining 747s flying pretty full,

But, we all know that a full a/c doesn't necessarily mean a profitable a/c, don't we?
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:27 pm

Quoting deltal1011man (Reply 18):

Quoting georgiaame (Reply 13):
If I'm not mistaken, Delta was planning on an almost immediate phase out of the 747 with the Northwest merger. Well the merger was in 2008, and the 747s are still in the air.

not true. They were planning on keeping at least this long if not longer.

Think they planned on phasing out the 742s rather rapidly but I don't think DL ever planned on parking the 744s immediately.
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:16 pm

Quoting YXwatcherMKE (Reply 2):
Of course DL will have the last 744 flight end in ATL. Not that it should. Did DL even order the 744's? I know NW did. A bunch of them and when DL merged with NW they got red of a number of them right of the bat saying that they were to big of an a/c for their needs. It's more like Richard does not like the 4-holers in any variety.

DL never ordered the 744. They operated the 747-100 series for about 6 years. And DL did NOT get rid of a "lot of them right off the bat after the merger." We had 16 744's and only recently have they started to be retired to their well earned rest.

I am glad that DL has chosen t keep one for our Museum--it is a fitting tribute to an awesome airplane.

It no longer makes economic sense with the DL route structure to fly a four engine airplane. To expensive, too much range. NW almost bought the A340-300 but cancelled literally days before initial delivery. We already had the mockups and simulators in place and the ORD f/a's had been qualified on them when the decision was made to cancel. Those frames went to VS. I do not think any were ever painted in NW colors.
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:33 pm

Quoting BravoOne (Reply 15):
Please tell us how you an "hate" the 777?

I know you didn't ask me but I despise DL's J configuration on the 777, where the seats face the aisle and passengers feet across the aisle instead of the window.

I would never buy a ticket in J or F on a DL 777 for that reason. I would pick another aircraft or even airline if necessary.

Actually, I would if I could get seat 7A or 7D, the last row windows in the first section where there are no seats in the center section.

[Edited 2015-12-23 14:39:13]
 
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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:42 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 8):

The 744s will be around until sometime in 2017. There have been no final determination yet of final routes, farwell tours, etc. It is still about 18+ months out, likely sometime in fall 2017.

I don't have any insights or anything, but if they're eyeing a Fall 2017 retirement, it might be beneficial depending on load factors to hold off until sometime 1Q of 2018.

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RE: DL 744 Last Flight?

Thu Dec 24, 2015 12:21 am

Quoting United1 (Reply 22):
Think they planned on phasing out the 742s rather rapidly but I don't think DL ever planned on parking the 744s immediately.

NW was already phasing out the 742's prior to the merger. The last scheduled passenger flight was Sep 12th, 2007 and charter op's ended shortly afterward. The 747-200F freighters did last a bit longer, but the passenger 747-200's were toast by the time the merger was finalized.

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