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FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:27 pm

For the first time in its history Frankfurt Rhein-Main Airport has handled more than 60 million passengers in one year. This milestone was hit on December 22, 2015. After inching slowly upwards for several years in a row this record would have been due last year had there not been the repeated industrial actions of LH crews leading to passengers diverting to other airports.
Congratulations for this achievement !

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-mai...s-60-mio-passagieren-13980757.html (in German)
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 12:37 am

Will be interesting to see of IST overtakes FRA for #2 spot in Europe.

At Airport Council International congress last month they stated they believed IST would likely accomplish this as it was experiencing 9 percent growth in 2015.
IST was sitting at 56.8mil as of November. If growth rate is same in December should be about 62mil
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 2:21 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 1):
FRA for #2 spot

I'm sure you meant #3 behind LHR and CDG  
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:51 am

Yes you are correct.

But IST passing CDG might be possible in a year or two as well. CDG growth rate is only about 3% and in 2014 they had 63.8million annual pax.
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:34 am

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 1):
Will be interesting to see of IST overtakes FRA for #2 spot in Europe.


IST has already passed FRA some months ago calculated on a 12 month basis.

IST pax numbers for the last 12 months (Nov2014 - Nov 2015) stood at: 61,574,707 +9.7%

Paris CDG stood at: 65,935,487 +3.6% for the same 12 months.

source: Aeroports de Paris
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:49 am

Quoting planecrazy6762 (Thread starter):
For the first time in its history Frankfurt Rhein-Main Airport has handled more than 60 million passengers in one year.

And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!  
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:32 am

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!  

But for the first time in 15 years, I went through a whole year without having to set foot in FRA  
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:40 am

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 6):
But for the first time in 15 years, I went through a whole year without having to set foot in FRA

It's funny how airports come and go in your lives, isn't it?

My top ten movements are at...

ZRH 460
LHR 133
FRA 83
NBO 72
DAR 66
HIJ 65
TXL 56
BHX 53
HND 51
BLR 50

...but some of those I haven't been to in years and will probably never see again.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:11 pm

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 6):
But for the first time in 15 years, I went through a whole year without having to set foot in FRA
Quoting PM (Reply 5):
And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!

ha ha ha, funny  
I am in NYC and have just flown my 500th flight last week and hate to say, I transferred in FRA only once and never flown LH even though I am Star Gold with TK and my average flight is around 4 hrs in duration.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:17 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!

I am 2 of those!
I didn't think FRA seemed that busy, maybe it is the time I arrived - early morning, departed late evening with EY and the place wasn't busy.
Or it is the sign of an efficient and well managed facility that it can handle that many PAX without seeming crowded and busy!
Other airports on that trip seemed much more hectic, busy & crowded.. AUH, IST even MUN... SYD was Ok leaving but arrivals was a mess but that is nothing new!
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 3:24 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 5):

Quoting planecrazy6762 (Thread starter):
For the first time in its history Frankfurt Rhein-Main Airport has handled more than 60 million passengers in one year.

And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!  

Roughly 50 of them were me and I'll try to keep it up
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:30 pm

The new runway has definitely been an enabler for this, even if it came at a high price (a ridiculously strict night curfew, and new runway for landings of small aircarft only)
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 5:32 pm

Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...rliert-an-bedeutung-a-1069046.html

So it is all a matter of perspective, I guess.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:57 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...rliert-an-bedeutung-a-1069046.html

So it is all a matter of perspective, I guess.

Surely it is, but things will improve once T3 opens. Still, FRA lost a lot of its importance and it with the lack of major LH expansion it won't recover any time soon. After all, we mustn't forget how small a city Frankfurt is in comparison to LHR, CDG and IST which all have more than one large airport
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 10:07 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

Well, not the demise as I read it, but the growth is moderate compared to some competitors not too far away like IST and DWC. Without the LH-strikes, would the growth of FRA be comparable to CDG, LHR or AMS?

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 13):
but things will improve once T3 opens.

Well, that development is still quite far off I believe. I have not been at FRA this year so I am not really up to date when it comes to the latest developments. Maybe my idea of how far developed the plans and execution of T3 are is outdated?

But anyway, over 60 Million passenger movements is still an impressive number.  
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:18 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
I didn't think FRA seemed that busy, maybe it is the time I arrived - early morning, departed late evening with EY and the place wasn't busy.

T2 rarely seems (or is?) busy.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

Ah, Spiegel Online. Might as well ask bild.de.  

Btw.: Does anyone else think the airport's redesigned website is absolutely horrible?   
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:28 pm

Being from Boston, I remember the days when one couldn't avoid FRA or LHR. Now we have so many non-stop options and even more connecting hubs that I can't even remember the last time I set foot in either FRA or LHR.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:42 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unt...rliert-an-bedeutung-a-1069046.html

So it is all a matter of perspective, I guess.

Well, the 2015 airport statistics support Der Spiegel's argument.

Here are the 2015 data, which are very indicative of the present growth trend for European hubs:

AUGUST 2015 - Movements - plus annual rate of growth:

1. AMS 43.559 +2.6%
2. CDG 43.452 +0.9%
3. FRA 42.787 -0.4%
4. LHR 41.783 +1%

November 2015 - last 12 months Passengers

1. LHR 74.9 Million +1%
2. CDG 65.9 Million +3.6%
3. FRA 60 Million +2.5%
4. AMS 58 Million +6%
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:22 am

The 2115 numbers are giving a wrong indication of the real growth rate. The FA strike in November alone cost at least 500K passengers, add the other strikes and we are talking about 750K at least


The finalo figure for 2015 will be around 61 Million and without strikes the growth rate would have been between 3,5 and 4%.

All in all, FRA is doing quite well and T3 will give an additional push. The numbers could be better without the passenger tax and that stupid curfew. The government requires to drive FRA with the handbrake pulled while IST is driven by rocket fuel for a Petrol engine.

Once LH settles the Dispute with the high paid Management staff things will further improve.
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:00 am

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
And 12 of them were me. I'm doing my best!

13 so far, a 14th will be added on 31.12.  
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:08 pm

To be honest, part of Frankfurt airport is just the pits. It looks like a bus station. The LH A380/748 gates are very nice, but the rest of it is highly in need of renovation.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:05 pm

Fra suffers from the same issues other established airports are suffeeung. They are no clean sheet design. Demolishing T1 under use is not possible.

Still I like the airport. So international.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:19 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 13):
After all, we mustn't forget how small a city Frankfurt is in comparison to LHR, CDG and IST which all have more than one large airport

In FRs opinion there is something called "Frankfurt-Hahn"  

But there is Egelsbach, which hosts a lot of business jets from time to time but of course it's a very small airport.

Frankfurt as a city itself is not very important for FRA but the whole Rhine-Main-area togehther with the Rhine-Neckar-region. There are about 7m people (and not the poorest ones) and lots of business like all the financial institutions in Frankfurt, SAP in Walldorf and BASF in Ludwigshafen. There was a thread recently about the most destinations from a single airport and FRA is well positioned in that list. I think that is mainly due to all the international businesses in the area.
I guess that all this keeps FRA in the O&D game for the forseeable future, but it seems that it's role as an international hub will decrease.

(BTW: same is true for MUC compared to Hamburg and Berlin. Far more people around HAM and Berlin, but less demand than in south germany around Munich)

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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:04 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 12):
Der Spiegel is already reporting the demise of FRA:

Demise is actually one of the nicest words that Spiegel can use, so we should take it as a compliment  
Having said that, it is normal that FRA, while continuing to grow, will gradually fall behind other mega-hubs in the world, existing or under construction. Nevertheless, with T3 and the new runway, FRA has room for further growth (within government restrictions).
Also, the LH strike has cost FRA a significant number of pax this year; that effect needs to be accounted for.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
The numbers could be better without the passenger tax and that stupid curfew. The government requires to drive FRA with the handbrake pulled while IST is driven by rocket fuel for a Petrol engine.

It is indeed frustrating how Germany restricts the operations of its main international gateway...
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:22 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 5):
12
Quoting stealthz (Reply 9):
2
Quoting LGAviation (Reply 10):
50

!!!

Quoting conaly (Reply 19):
14

And I was 15 of those 60,000,000  
Quoting PM (Reply 7):
It's funny how airports come and go in your lives, isn't it?

That's true. But I guess that's way it is when your job is related to a special sort of projects. From 2006 to 2009 I almost saw one airport every four weeks (OTP). Later it was TIP for one year and after that CAI for one year. I guess scientists and musicians have a higher variety (Aircellist, what do you say?)

Quoting factsonly (Reply 17):
2015 airport statistics

I am big fan of facts only   but I think we need at least one decade to see a trend.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:35 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 13):
. After all, we mustn't forget how small a city Frankfurt is in comparison to LHR, CDG and IST which all have more than one large airport

you can easily Google the Population of the City of London. In 2011 it was 7375 and it surely is not much more today.

FRA has a Population of 700.000+, the Main-Taunus County where I live has a quarter Million and border to FRA in the East. To the west is Wiesbaden with another 250.000, and so on. Including the Rhine Neckar area FRA Metro is about 6,5 Million People.

With the ICE Train Station the whole of western Europe is connected .
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:50 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 25):

FRA has a Population of 700.000+, the Main-Taunus County where I live has a quarter Million and border to FRA in the East. To the west is Wiesbaden with another 250.000, and so on. Including the Rhine Neckar area FRA Metro is about 6,5 Million People.

Funny you mention it. I am basically a commuter between Kelkheim and Hamburg and am therefore well aware of MTK demographics.
However, there's still a huge difference in population, O&D and economic strength between FRA and LHR, CDG and maybe even IST Metro Areas.
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:48 pm

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.
I know that this is unfair to someone who doesn't speak English as their first language but I must share that I find the title of the thread somewhat amusing. People pass gas. Cars pass people. But Frankfurt passed 60 million people? It's either a potty joke or an Einstein's Theory of Relativity joke.

But then it was confirmed which of the two it was when I read this:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
My top ten movements are at...

So much for Einstein.

I'll say it for someone out there in A.net land.... Oh please. Shoot me now.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:51 pm

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 27):
People pass gas. Cars pass people. But Frankfurt passed 60 million people? It's either a potty joke or an Einstein's Theory of Relativity joke.

As a native English speaker I see no problem saying "FRA passed 60 million passengers". It's short for "...passed the mark of 60 million" or "passed a total of 60 million" etc etc.
 
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RE: FRA Passed 60 Million Pax In 2015

Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:53 am

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 27):
But then it was confirmed which of the two it was when I read this:

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
My top ten movements are at...

  

I must admit, whenever I use the phrase I do acknowledge that it does allow of another reading! Sorry.  

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