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Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:04 pm

I was curious to know what other peoples views were on the possibility of BA/IAG ordering more A380's...

The airline seems to have 53 747's still flying (according to Wikipedia), with them gradually being retired by the end of 2023, with only 2 more A380's to be delivered, and possibility options for 7 more.

There seems to be quite a gap in capacity with the aircraft that are currently on order, that could potentially be used to replace the outgoing type.

With some of the 777-200ER's a similar age to the newer 747's, I can imagine these will gradually be retired near 2023 too... So orders for outstanding 787's and A350's could replace this type...

It is looking like the current A380 fleet is quite stretched, and once the 747's disappear off any routes, any replacement aircraft that is available will be unable to offer the capacity of the old out-going type. Also with the current runway constraints at LGW and LHR and any new runways more than a generation away, it is highly unlikely any frequency can be added without sacrifice to other routes!
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:16 pm

777s planned for 30 years
A350 to replace large number of 744 routes
789/1 to replace some 777 /744 routes
So there will be no need for like for like A380/747 replacement
I would imagine some 777x orders too.
Id say maybe another 8-10 A380s?
 
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Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:35 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
The airline seems to have 53 747's still flying (according to Wikipedia

Closer to 40 these days
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:19 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 1):
Id say maybe another 8-10 A380s?

They just don't need them IMHO, it's too big. I don't think the appetite is there, even QR and EY don't want more, LH and AF are not looking either.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:29 am

I'm not too convinced. As much as the A380 seems like a perfect fit for LHR's congestion, BA's use for it is relatively niche, even if it's high profile. It flies long haul, low frequency and high capacity routes. But it's usually complemented by another type (the 77W most notably). I think maybe adding a few to make sure it's not everly stretched could happen, but the language from BA has been 'we like it, it does what we want it to do, but we're good with what we have'.

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
The airline seems to have 53 747's still flying (according to Wikipedia), with them gradually being retired by the end of 2023, with only 2 more A380's to be delivered, and possibility options for 7 more.

As shankly says: closer to 40. Almost all of these have their replacements decided.

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
With some of the 777-200ER's a similar age to the newer 747's, I can imagine these will gradually be retired near 2023 too... So orders for outstanding 787's and A350's could replace this type...

The 77Es will soldier on for a while yet. I don't think the order to replace the majority of them has been placed yet. It won't be the A35K order, that's almost definitely 747 replacement, but the arrival of 787s hasn't yielded mass 777 replacement, though clearly the 789 is targeted as that. So I think we'll see the 77E replacement order in the future. I'm hoping for the A359 and more 787s.

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
It is looking like the current A380 fleet is quite stretched, and once the 747's disappear off any routes, any replacement aircraft that is available will be unable to offer the capacity of the old out-going type. Also with the current runway constraints at LGW and LHR and any new runways more than a generation away, it is highly unlikely any frequency can be added without sacrifice to other routes!

A lot of the 747's routes are daily flights, and this raises the problem of whether a route warrants a fairly significant upgauge to the A380 or whether BA miss out on pax by downgauging. To be honest, this is why I'm surprised we haven't seen a 779 order. I know the A35K and 77W do a good job, but it still feels like it would be missing out. The 779 is perfectly sized.

Quoting by738 (Reply 1):
A350 to replace large number of 744 routes
789/1 to replace some 777 /744 routes

I think this is the key, the 747s are due to be retired by 2023 as in the OP, but without ordering now, it seems like the replacements have already been ordered, which would make it the A380, 77W, A35K and 781. They could get in the 779, but it'll be a little late if the last 747 goes by 2023.

Quoting by738 (Reply 1):
Id say maybe another 8-10 A380s?

Quite optimistic if I'm honest. As much as I'd love to see it happen, I don't see many places that mirror their current use of A380s. It's probably not going to be the LHR-JFK taxi, and most other routes are relatively low capacity.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:32 am

In 2014, the CEO said they weren't planning on ordering more.

WSJ: Qatar Airways May Order More Airbus A380s But Pipeline Remains Thin
Quote:
British Airways operates from the crowded London Heathrow hub and would appear to be an ideal customer for additional A380 orders. Willie Walsh, chief executive of BA parent International Consolidated Airlines Group, said he likes the plane's performance but has no appetite for more than the 12 already ordered.


Earlier this year, though, he said they might consider some cheap, used ones in a few years.

AW: Malaysia A380 Decision Deepens Airbus Worries
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IAG CEO Willie Walsh separately said on the same day that in principle he would be open to considering second-hand A380s, but that decision is still a few years out, in his opinion.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:55 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 1):
I would imagine some 777x orders too.

Possible...but having said that they go and order 18 35Js with 18 options...plus additional 787s. As it is, by next year they will have the full order of 12 388s in operation....we will see if they take up any of the options.

Anyone have an idea how their 388s are performing?
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:59 am

Quoting scotron11 (Reply 6):
Anyone have an idea how their 388s are performing?

See: 6 BA A380 Delays In 7 Days (by readytotaxi Dec 27 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:09 am

I think BA will/should eventually have 20-25 A380s giventhat they have so many B747-400s
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:39 am

I too think BA will have more A380s than the ones currently on order and in the fleet. But they won't order new mk1 A389s from Airbus for at least another 2 years (if they order any). There are the 380s about to come of lease which may not get renewed at SQ, the white tails from skymark, whatever EK decides to retire in the near future. Basically no market for a new build a380 mk1 because there is a glut of aircraft that will be put in to the used market.

The only way BA orders new aA380s from Airbus is if there is a NEO that significantly improves over the original, and there is a strong possibility that a NEO will be offered by Airbus. Airbus doesn't have the orders to sustain the billions of dollars they invested in the original aircraft, they need to generate interest in ordering new aircraft and the only reasonable way to do that is a reinvestment. At this point Airbus needs to double down on their flagship product or call it a failure, and everyone (EK, interested airlines, a.net) is betting on Airbus doubling down on the a380. Hence no new a380 mk1 orders.
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:52 am

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
The airline seems to have 53 747's still flying (according to Wikipedia), with them gradually being retired by the end of 2023, with only 2 more A380's to be delivered, and possibility options for 7 more.

There are currently 40 744s in service with BA. This time next year there are planned to be 36.
During 2016 11 789s and 2 A388s should arrive, which will replace the 4 744s and the remaining 5 long haul 763s, with some scope for expansion
There are 18 A350-1000 already on order for delivery 2018-2021, and there just happen to be 18 744s that will last to 2018 or a little longer without getting another cabin refurb. The other 18 are going through refurb now.

Then there are 12 787-10 on order with delivery dates 2018 to 2021, as well as 2 further 789s and 4 788s in 2017/18, so plenty of new planes around. Not so many 744s sized ones, but BA policy does seem to be to right-gauge flights rather than use 747s everywhere with effects on yields.

In addition there are options for a further 10 A350s, as well as for 7 A380s.

As only a few weeks ago at the IAG Capital Markets Day it was announced that BAs 777s would have a 30 year life, it is safe to assume that none of the aircraft on order are 777 replacements (except possibly for the 3 non-ER 772s) nor will any be ordered for this purpose anytime soon,
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:32 am

I say there won't be any more A380 orders by BA. And if they order more, not more than five.

If anyone could list the BA-routes with the most pax transported I guess 9 out of 10 of these routes will be business-heavy and/or have flights to more than one airport of the destination (like HND and NRT or JFK and EWR). Having this in mind, frequency (and serving all major airports) will trump capacity on every business-route.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:14 am

I think BA should negotiate hard with Airbus a cut-price deal to get the two ex-Skymark stored frames for delivery in 2017 then leave the 380 fleet at 14 which should suffice.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:41 am

YES. They will need them to cover all the other ones that keep going Tech  
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:44 am

Quoting TC957 (Reply 12):
I think BA should negotiate hard with Airbus a cut-price deal to get the two ex-Skymark stored frames for delivery in 2017 then leave the 380 fleet at 14 which should suffice.

Why bother, when plenty of the first generation of EK's birds will be available in the not-too-distant future, with lessors likely somewhat desperate to place them.
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:59 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 14):
Why bother, when plenty of the first generation of EK's birds will be available in the not-too-distant future, with lessors likely somewhat desperate to place them.

EK's early birds have EA engines, so I don't think these are appealing to BA. Especialy if it's fewer than 10 aircraft.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:07 am

BA is very carefully in ordering new aircraft due to the insecurity regarding LHR expansion. A third runway could majorly screw with a strategy of VLAs - it's easier and less risky to take a road of smaller aircraft in the congested environment and just yield manage them better. If an expansion ultimately falls through in LHR, we might well see a top up on the A380 order and probably a sizeable 777-9 order also.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:59 am

Quoting LAX772LR (Reply 14):
Why bother, when plenty of the first generation of EK's birds will be available in the not-too-distant future, with lessors likely somewhat desperate to place them.

Wrong engines, plus the early EK birds will be over around 10 years old when they come to market. BA doesn't have a history of buying used airliners.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:11 pm

Quoting TC957 (Reply 17):
Wrong engines, plus the early EK birds will be over around 10 years old when they come to market. BA doesn't have a history of buying used airliners.

Plus the early A380's EK would get rid of would be the oddball low line number aircraft that have the retrofitted non-standard eletrical wiring harnesses. I wouldn't be surprised if those planes go straight to the scrappers.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:55 pm

Unless BA can pick them up for an absolute bargain from Airbus, I suspect not.

It's a big aircraft to fill. LHR can only handle so many at a time and 12 seems about enough for a niche aircraft.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:08 pm

quote from Aviation Daily 1st May 2015:

Walsh said the Airbus A380 has exceeded his performance
expectations, but still BA is “unlikely to increase orders [for
the A380] beyond the 12 we have ordered. There is a “limited
number of cities out of London-Heathrow that would work.”

Nonetheless, Walsh would consider taking used A380s,
once they become available. “We are always open to looking
at something that might bring value to us, but that is still some
years out.” Also, he has “told Airbus that if they want to give a
couple of A380s for nothing, I’d be happy to take them.”

http://cms.mccarran.com/dsweb/Get/Do...0675/Aviation%20Daily%205-1-15.pdf

[Edited 2015-12-28 05:11:27]
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:10 pm

Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 19):
It's a big aircraft to fill.

Only it isn't really in BA config !
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:20 pm

With the potential for a A380NEO and existing unwanted ones being available secondhand, I can't imagine new A380CEOs being a good FINANCIAL investment at the moment, even if BA might like a small number more...
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:25 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 20):
quote from Aviation Daily 1st May 2015:

Walsh said the Airbus A380 has exceeded his performance
expectations, but still BA is “unlikely to increase orders [for
the A380] beyond the 12 we have ordered. There is a “limited
number of cities out of London-Heathrow that would work.

If what he says is true....then where would the 777-9 work differently?
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:39 pm

doesnt the 777-9 take a lot more cargo and more efficiently?
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:42 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 8):

I think BA will/should eventually have 20-25 A380s giventhat they have so many B747-400s

Excpet that they are planning to replace some of their (currently) 40 B744 with B777's and A350's
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:57 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 25):
Excpet that they are planning to replace some of their (currently) 40 B744 with B777's and A350's

787s, not 777s. There are no 777s on order.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:05 pm

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 16):
If an expansion ultimately falls through in LHR, we might well see a top up on the A380 order

Sounds like a done deal then.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:10 pm

Quoting scotron11 (Reply 23):
If what he says is true....then where would the 777-9 work differently?

The 779 is a fair bit smaller: it's almost exactly the same size as the 747.

Quoting by738 (Reply 24):
doesnt the 777-9 take a lot more cargo and more efficiently?

It does, but it still represents a drop in capacity, and on the routes the A380 is used on, this is a bad thing. The other question is whether it will arrive in time: the last 747 will be gone by 2023.

[Edited 2015-12-28 06:14:54]
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:15 pm

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 28):
It does, but it still represents a drop in capacity, and on the routes the A380 is used on, this is a bad thing.

If the A380 LF is 70% on a cargo hungry route it isnt. BA twin B747/777 on A380 routes to carry the cargo the A380 cant.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:24 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 29):

If the A380 LF is 70% on a cargo hungry route it isnt. BA twin B747/777 on A380 routes to carry the cargo the A380 cant.

They don't use it on its own on low-demand cargo-hungry routes, if they have to fly cargo fly twice daily with an A380 and a 777. LAX used to be 3 747s daily, now it's 2 A380s daily (usually, the 77W and 747 have been filling in recently), but SIN and HKG are 1 A380 daily and 1 777 daily.

There is a reason that BA ordered it, it's a niche role, but nothing is stopping them from ordering more 77Ws (Boeing would happily oblige) and 779s.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:27 pm

Quoting art (Reply 27):
Sounds like a done deal then.

I tend to agree, note the stress on ultimately though.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 2:50 pm

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 30):

Yes winter LAX is 77W and A380 daily.
Summer LAX is 2 x A380.
Don't forget they also offer 2 x 77W flights with AA codeshare for connecting BA passengers at LHR.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:10 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 24):
doesnt the 777-9 take a lot more cargo and more efficiently?

BA Cargo gave up on the 748s they wetleased from Atlas due to utilizing belly space on their current aircraft....not just their own...but new agreements with QR Cargo.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:20 pm

There's this IB 380 thread, wonder what impact that'd have on a BA top-up order
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:32 pm

Quoting LGAviation (Reply 34):
There's this IB 380 thread, wonder what impact that'd have on a BA top-up order

I think it's a joke mate, it's the Spanish equivalent of April fools' day. BA's 11th A380 of 12 has been painted already.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:39 pm

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 35):
Quoting LGAviation (Reply 34):
There's this IB 380 thread, wonder what impact that'd have on a BA top-up order

I think it's a joke mate, it's the Spanish equivalent of April fools' day. BA's 11th A380 of 12 has been painted already.

Thank you so much. And I almost fell for it. Shame on me   and apparently I ridiculed myself. But especially for non-Spanish speakers it was a good one because although incredibly small, there was a remote chance
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:52 pm

I see no reason why BA should not make an top up order. BA has options for the A380 in place. The A380 is a relative inexpensive airplane per seat. I do not see the increased financial risk with ordering more A380 rather than 777-9, as the 777-9 is a rather expensive frame.
Regarding the belly freight, the A380 is not worse than the 747-400 when replacing it. Does BA need more overall belly freight capacity?
For used frames one should rather look to Singapore Airlines than Emirates for BA. But all the used frames that could become available from SQ and EK are the early frames and BA would hardly be interested in them. I would imagine that an airline using RR frames would rather look to the Skymark frames for a deal.
As BA is receiving 2 more frames next year they have enough time to decide to take up the options or not.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 4:14 pm

I see more being ordered. If BA placed only A380's on the LHR-JFK route they could clean up on all the business travel while the American airlines flounder.

Add in that the Skymark planes were due to be RR powered and I should imagine BA are negotiating with Airbus for these but equally trying to get the price down to bargain levels. SO what price would the Skymark planes be worth looking at for BA?
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:07 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 38):

I see more being ordered. If BA placed only A380's on the LHR-JFK route they could clean up on all the business travel while the American airlines flounder.

And why haven't they done this already?

No vision, simply!
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:21 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 38):
I see more being ordered. If BA placed only A380's on the LHR-JFK route they could clean up on all the business travel while the American airlines flounder.
Quoting 321neo (Reply 39):
And why haven't they done this already?

No vision, simply!

Maybe they know more than you?  

I think there is room for a few more A380's in the fleet. IMHO the B779 would fit nicely too.
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:04 pm

Frequency and the knowledge that all aircraft on LHR-JFK are 380's would shift a lot of business BA's way. If you look at EK their equivalent route is DXB-LHR where they have 5 380's a day and want to add more. BA is missing a trick here. Vision is precisely what is needed.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 41):
Vision is precisely what is needed.

Well, and a major rebuild of BA's terminal at JFK so it can actually handle A380s.
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 6:45 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 38):
I see more being ordered. If BA placed only A380's on the LHR-JFK route they could clean up on all the business travel while the American airlines flounder.

They are about 5+ years too late if they want to attack the American airlines while they "flounder."

The problem with placing the A380 on the LHR-JFK route is it creates a huge increase in either Y seats or premium seats, depending on what they are replacing.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 41):
Frequency and the knowledge that all aircraft on LHR-JFK are 380's would shift a lot of business BA's way. If you look at EK their equivalent route is DXB-LHR where they have 5 380's a day and want to add more. BA is missing a trick here.
BA operates the route ~7-8x daily (not to mention the ~3-4x daily AA flights they have a JV with). Premium travel on LHR-JFK is strong, and so is BA on the route, but it cannot support up to 112 F seats, 776 J seats, 440 Y+ seats and 2424 Y seats a day + all the other airline's offerings without discounting, and BA is not going to reduce frequency.

BA is already the top dog on LHR-JFK, and has the frequency. They have no incentive to try and push traffic their way by being all A380 on the route.

[Edited 2015-12-28 10:46:22]
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:09 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 41):
Frequency and the knowledge that all aircraft on LHR-JFK are 380's would shift a lot of business BA's way. If you look at EK their equivalent route is DXB-LHR where they have 5 380's a day and want to add more. BA is missing a trick here. Vision is precisely what is needed.

Vision only gets you so far unless you have the supporting infrastructure at T7/T8 at JFK which at T7 is somewhat TIGHT.

Quoting 321neo (Reply 39):
And why haven't they done this already?
No vision, simply!

Er.... really? You actually think no one has run the numbers on this one at IAG?
 
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Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:33 pm

Okay so you all think there will be an over supply of seats or lack of infrastructure?

However look at EK. There was no infrastructure at MAN and no one ever thought such a secondary airport would support a 380 leat alone two a day. BA have lost a lot of traffic here to EK.

Is it better to lose traffic or try to gain more traffic? If the airline industry is growing at 5% shouldn't someoen at BA be trying to upguage their system? The 380 does this and EK are out there grabbing market share with it.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:20 pm

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 45):
Is it better to lose traffic or try to gain more traffic? If the airline industry is growing at 5% shouldn't someoen at BA be trying to upguage their system?

The answer would depend on the business model of the airline and how they are looking to grow revenue and profitability.

For example BA have just refurbished the first four of a planned eighteen 744s from a 299 seat (F14 / J70 / W30 / Y185) configuration to a 275 seat (F14 / J86 / W30 / Y145) configuration. On the other hand EK have chosen to configure their 380s with either 489 or 517 seats with no W Class cabin, a smaller number of J Class seats than on the 18 BA 744s and with either as many as 399 or 427 Y Class seats.

Clearly as BA are reducing the total seating capacity of a significant part of their 744 fleet their strategy with these aircraft is to up-gauge their revenue per passenger on these aircraft rather than to up-gauge the number of passengers they carry on them.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:31 pm

Quoting MrHMSH (Reply 15):
EK's early birds have EA engines, so I don't think these are appealing to BA.

Perhaps not, but their acquisition cost sure might.

Quoting aviationaware (Reply 16):
due to the insecurity regarding LHR expansion

What insecurity? Right now, it's almost safe to bet your arm, leg, house, and firstborn on LHR expansion facing political stalemate for years/decades on end. As it would've been to do so for the last 40yrs+

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 37):
I see no reason why BA should not make an top up order.

Other than them saying that they're unlikely to do so, right?  

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 38):
while the American airlines flounder.

Um, how do you equate "making more money than they, or any other airlines, have made in history".... to "flounder"???

Quoting polot (Reply 43):
They are about 5+ years too late if they want to attack the American airlines while they "flounder."

  
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:05 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
The airline seems to have 53 747's still flying (according to Wikipedia)

BA have 42 Boeing 747-400's as per their website.
 
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RE: Will We Ever See A BA A380 Top Up Order?

Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:36 pm

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 48):
BA have 42 Boeing 747-400's as per their website.

Its actually 40, the BA site is not up to date.

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