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Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:12 pm

Happy New Year Turkish Aviation Fans;

Wishing you all Safe Travels, Happy Landings, Health and Happiness throughout 2016.
I hoped to have more time to do a recap of 2015, but very busy with the holidays and have an early flight tomorrow morning, I hope you understand.


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I will start with "Yakamoz"'s post from the last thread:
From Yakamoz:
Fleet updates;

- Onur Air took delivery of 2 A332. Registration TC-OCG and TC-OCH. Onur took also A320 TC-FBJ of Freebird. New registration TC-ODB.

- Atlasjet took delivery of TC-AGU A320, ex Metrojet aircraft.

- Borajet with new Embraer 195 TC-YAU. But one exit too: TC-YAK went as PH-IAM.

- Pegasus new bird TC-CPZ B738. Next follows soon.

- Old B737-700 of Anadolujet, TC-SAO, went to Gol Linhas Aereas as PR-GEJ. Another one TC-SAP is in redelivery.

Turkish Airlines ends this year with plus 38 aircraft, next year 43 follows. According to TK entry-exit file, next year 12 B738 go to Anadolujet.


-Continuing with the fleet numbers; this was the official statement exactly a year ago from TK: "TK's 2015 goals:
214 single aisle, 68 wide body, 11 Cargo for a total of 293 aircraft at the end of 2015. Also 25.9M domestic, 36M int. pax for a total of 63M pax in 2015." I guess TK did pretty good. A few more planes than planned, few less pax but not by a huge margin.


-Snow is affecting air travel in Istanbul. This guys says, they have been stuck inside a plane for 3 hours at SAW:
http://www.radikal.com.tr/turkiye/oy...3-saattir-ucagin-icindeyiz-1496426
More pics of IST:
http://www.airporthaber.com/thy-habe...urk-havalimaninda-park-cilesi.html
Also they are reporting that TK handed out 1250 hotel vouchers and fed 5000 pax so far where ove 200 of its flights cancelled.


Please continue with your news/photos/pictures/rumors/ideas/experiences and good old sense of humor.
Please, please refrain from personal attacks and political mumbo jumbo.
Thanks for all your input over the years.

Just for giggles, check out our thread from January 2007, WoW!!!
Turkish Aviation January 2007 (by TK787 Jan 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:54 pm

Happy 2016 everyone !      

Our friends at kokpit.aero posted this photo this week.
The foundation work for the terminal at the 3rd airport has commenced.



Some 10,200 people are employed at the construction site with work running 24/7.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Onur Air took delivery of 2 A332. Registration TC-OCG and TC-OCH.

Thats like the 7th or 8th A330 at Onur Air.

With atleast one frame that wont be used for ACMI ops, they will begin service to Chongqing China in June.
3x weekly. They will also introduce a business class product.

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Just for giggles, check out our thread from January 2007, WoW!!!

We have come a long way !
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:15 pm

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
Wishing you all Safe Travels, Happy Landings, Health and Happiness throughout 2016.

Same to you TK787  

I was lucky to have been able to fit in a side trip from ATH just before Christmas to IST. Flew with A3 and flights were packed in both directions. Mix of business professionals and quite a few Greek christmas shoppers as is usual for this time of year. Great time to visit the city if you are not put off by the recent events and terror threats. With the hotel prices slashed and TRY weak it really is the best time to go. My hotel was 50% cheaper than last year and the hotel manager said they had seen a major drop in occupancy. Maybe being next to the Russian embassy didnt help which was heavily guarded and roped off.

On arrival into IST the immigration lines were minimal I did not wait at all. So much so that I did not even bother using the Fast lane.

After a few lovely days I headed back via Tram/Train changing at Zeytinburnu and headed to the TK lounge. After your comments TK787 I was keen to see how things were. Maybe it was because it was evening time but the lounge was only 60% full and lots of food around on both levels. Everything seemed very clean and staff were around to clear things from tables. As usual the sweets were too hard to resist  

A few pics I will share :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/AC82E345-84E2-4C5D-830C-830D0574C63D_zpskeakdv2q.jpg
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I do love those cups shame you cant buy a set  http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/5B1D888B-3647-4797-B0B1-8E5EAE317EFD_zpsgaaq6ybf.jpg
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Dec 31, 2015 9:30 pm

Thanks for the new thread TK787 and Happy New Year to all! Hope we will see many good news in Turkish Aviation.

Due to weather conditions, Istanbul has today big delays. I have seen TK1909 IST-ZRH with more than 7 hours delay. ETA 5 minute before New Year in Switzerland.



[Edited 2015-12-31 13:32:55]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
The foundation work for the terminal at the 3rd airport has commenced.

26 months or so to go......

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
As usual the sweets were too hard to resist

yummy, yummy in my tummy...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:02 am

I suggest looking at FR24 and IST. Crazy holding patterns and it looks like they started to park landed aircrafts on RWY35R. Snow showers as it seems + low vis
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:44 am

Quoting LSZH34 (Reply 5):

I wonder why don't they just cancel those flights. Looks like every single one them are circling and going to divert  
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:58 am

Had a couple of TK flights in 2015. Turkish is great, but some of the crews have a lot of work to do in terms of customer service skills. Trip reports coming up. However for now some videos of the trips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M0q...PLGXvXZxUyg-0tx5LrsabD2bdgontvBxUM

Here is one particular photo that I feel is so Turkish  

[img]https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5676/21481295013_049ca0cf89_b.jpg[/img]

A quick question. The company that looks after wheel chair passengers, is that a private company or owned by Turkish Airlines? When my parents passed through Istanbul in May, the staff looking after them were just exceptional! However when we travelled back though Istanbul in Sep, what a difference in the level of care. The staff were rushed, disinterested with some of them shouting at the passengers. What a change in just four months!! Will be highlighting this is my trip reports.
LAX772LR - "Answer to goofy question:" in response to my question about the B737-MAX8 being grounded. 48 hours later all B737-MAX8 grounded worldwide. Go figure!!
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:14 am

Also congrats to Turkish on the double daily out of KHI. Though I am not sure if this should be posted under Turkish Aviation February 2016.

Though I am glad I actually got to fly the A330-200 before they changed back to the 737-800.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/12/18/tk-khi-feb16/
LAX772LR - "Answer to goofy question:" in response to my question about the B737-MAX8 being grounded. 48 hours later all B737-MAX8 grounded worldwide. Go figure!!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:22 am

Severe disruption from snow seems to be continuing at IST. Most TK flights appear to be running around 4 hours late, I just noticed TK1997 to LGW departed at 1.42am with a delay at 12 hours.

Scanning through social media it would seem that there's a shortage of hotels, insufficient ground transport provisions and a varying information on expected departure times being provided by TK. Surely things like communications,transport measures should be flawless from an airline such as TK? Apparently not.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:32 am

Considering Istanbul barely gets more than a few days of snow annually, let alone heavy snow fall its no surprise things have fallen apart.

Also new years is one of the heavier travel times with many Turks on the move due to extended holiday period so planes and airports likely are quite full.

p.s. - looking at FR24 is seems SAW is the bigger mess with more planes holding. IST seems to have reopened runway 35L for landings and cleared holding backlog while departures continue on 05.
SAW with single runway has to stop all activity to clear the snow.
Amazing volume of traffic at 3:30am Turkish time!

Quoting flightsimboy (Reply 7):
A quick question. The company that looks after wheel chair passengers, is that a private company or owned by Turkish Airlines?

I'm not sure who does it these days but its either vendor TGS(a subsidiary of TK) or Gozen Air.

[Edited 2015-12-31 17:45:07]
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:04 am

Meanwhile here in USA we are seing 11 C degree weather in DC today. My de-icing in DTW was my only de-icing in 2015. Go figure.

Happy new year everyone...
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:03 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 9):
Severe disruption from snow seems to be continuing at IST.

Looks like the entire 1am longhaul departure bank from has been moved to 7-8am.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:52 am

Thanks again Tk787 for another year of Turkish Aviation I look forward to reading , Laughing , Enjoying all the news and events of Turkish Aviation in 2016. Whishing everyone here a safe, Healthy and a Prosperous new year...
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:50 am

Quoting 321neo (Reply 9):
I just noticed TK1997 to LGW departed at 1.42am with a delay at 12 hours.

TK1709 yesterday's evening flight IST-STR is currently estimated to arrive with about 13.5 hours delay. Let's see how it will continue today, they have already cancelled TK1701/1702 and 1703/1704.

[Edited 2016-01-01 00:57:44]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:40 am

Quoting TK787 (Reply 6):

Divert where? SAW doesn't seem to be doing any better! = )

I was following a BA flight into IST yesterday with a flighttime of about 5 hours before landing, so that was a good 1 hour and 30 minutes circling in the air around IST. But I assume they expected this as the bad weather was known so they must have just loaded the A320 with enough fuel to circle for 2 hours without worrying about anything. Would have been annoying to be on an A320 European for 5 hours, that's for sure!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 1:20 pm

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 15):
Divert where?

Yesterday flights diverted to Corlu (West of IST), ESB, ADB and AYT.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:39 pm

Any idea which aircrafts had been damaged in Sabiha Gökcen?
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 2:54 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Considering Istanbul barely gets more than a few days of snow annually, let alone heavy snow fall its no surprise things have fallen apart.

But this has been happening for the past few Winters, it is not merely a once-off occurrence. There is really no excuse for not having adequate communications systems, poor planning of alternatives for passengers. There were even some reports on Twitter of TK staff shouting out departure times from a sheet in their hands, and of passengers being refused requests to be transferred to other Star Alliance flights which had seat availability. Utter incompetence on behalf of TK IMHO.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:03 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 18):

As I have said before, until the new IST is completed, I will go out of my way not to fly TK. They simply cannot cope at that airport, and when it snows the problem gets 100x worse.

[Edited 2016-01-01 07:05:06]
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 3:24 pm

Quoting 321neo (Reply 18):
But this has been happening for the past few Winters, it is not merely a once-off occurrence. There is really no excuse for not having adequate communications systems, poor planning of alternatives for passengers.

Working in an Operations Control environment myself, I am going to venture a guess that the mere fact that this has been happening half a dozen of times over the past couple of years has not yet served as an adequate enough level of preparation for the airline to anticipate its reoccurrence. TK simply does not have the amount of in house experience that other major airlines possess to bring some level of organization in the absolute mess of constantly changing (mostly constantly worsening) information that such an event entails. Moreover, the airline is much larger now and its increased size couple with the ensuing congestion issues at its IST base have made the impact of these issues grow exponentially. I am not trying to excuse TK, I can just imagine very well what things must have been like in the TK OCC.

Here is an overview of part of last night's longhaul departure bank:

0020 TK020 PEK departed 1254 (delayed 12h34)
0045 TK026 PVG departed 0845 (delayed 08h00)
0045 TK068 BKK SGN departed 0716 (delayed 06h31)
0100 TK046 KIX cancelled after boarding, taxi and return to the gate
0100 TK060 KUL departed 0829 (delayed 07h29)
0105 TK054 SIN departed 1517 (delayed 14h12)
0110 TK052 NRT cancelled
0110 TK072 CAN departed 0619 (delayed 05h09)
0120 TK056 CGK departed 1127 (delayed 10h07)
0120 TK070 HKG departed 1000 (delayed 08h40)
0120 TK090 ICN departed 0559 (delayed 04h39)
0125 TK038 JNB MPM departed 1126 (delayed 10h01)
0140 TK044 CPT departed 1043 (delayed) 10h03)

The absolute winner was yesterday's TK007 to IAD, which took off this morning at 07.50, or a whopping 18h15 late.
 
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
0120 TK056 CGK departed 1127 (delayed 10h07)

This flight was the previou

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
0020 TK020 PEK departed 1254 (delayed 12h34)
0045 TK026 PVG departed 0845 (delayed 08h00)
0045 TK068 BKK SGN departed 0716 (delayed 06h31)
0100 TK046 KIX cancelled after boarding, taxi and return to the gate
0100 TK060 KUL departed 0829 (delayed 07h29)
0105 TK054 SIN departed 1517 (delayed 14h12)
0110 TK052 NRT cancelled
0110 TK072 CAN departed 0619 (delayed 05h09)
0120 TK056 CGK departed 1127 (delayed 10h07)
0120 TK070 HKG departed 1000 (delayed 08h40)
0120 TK090 ICN departed 0559 (delayed 04h39)
0125 TK038 JNB MPM departed 1126 (delayed 10h01)
0140 TK044 CPT departed 1043 (delayed) 10h03)

The passengers of these flights really suffered, since many were rebooked onto these departures after mis-connecting the previous day.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:46 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):

You are right, but from what I gather with this event TK did pre cancel several hundred flights plus upgauged some remaining services to adjust the operation volume based on input from DHMI(state airport operator) statement that they would be able to maintain a certain runway operation capacity with established hourly movement rate.

It appears this storm with heavy wet snow exceeded both forecast intensity and slowed in passage which made things worse and caused DHMI to give up on runway 35R/17L entirely as they instead focused on keeping 35L/17R and 05/23 operational in alternating sweeps.

Add in the fact that new years is one of the busiest travel periods in Turkey with many domestic and European destinations booked full you end up with a royal mess.

As usual mother nature is good disrupting the best laid plans.
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:06 pm

Yes happy and healthy 2016 for everyone.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
The foundation work for the terminal at the 3rd airport has commenced.

Amazing photo of how fast things are happening at the 3rd airport!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 2):
A few pics I will share :

Also some great photos. Food is always good with TK.   
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Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:01 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 22):
It appears this storm with heavy wet snow exceeded both forecast intensity and slowed in passage which made things worse and caused DHMI to give up on runway 35R/17L entirely as they instead focused on keeping 35L/17R and 05/23 operational in alternating sweeps.

keeping runways open is of course good to run the business (even with reduced capacity), but they still have to learn and invest a lot in apron cleaning and deicing equipment. regarding the latter, TGS, Havas and Celebi increased the number of vehicle compared to last year, but the apron still remains one bottleneck in my opinion. on many airports they apply a fluid onto the tarmac to prevent any snow and ice to be created. why DHMI is not using it is beyond me.

another killer in yesterdays' chaos was the taxi time to the gate after arrival which took up 2 hrs. since the deicing queue is the same taxiway leading to the terminal. there should be another solution for this as well.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:44 pm

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 24):
on many airports they apply a fluid onto the tarmac to prevent any snow and ice to be created. why DHMI is not using it is beyond me.

One of the big issues is the collection of such fluid run off.

The deice pads certainly have drainage infrastructure to recapture this toxic substance.
Its unlikely remainder of warm weather airport like IST and terminal gate areas have been designed and built with such special drainage system. Likely just regular water run off drains that probably go straight out with the regular sewer system.

You don't want to knowingly send these toxic deicing chemicals into water system and risk mixing with contact with fresh or marine water without treatment. I'm sure even in Turkey there are laws regarding water treatment and pollution.
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 2:08 am

Some cancellation numbers per flightstats.com

31DEC
PC - 186
TK - 561
8Q - 36

01JAN
PC - 205
TK - 626
8Q - 53

02JAN so far
PC - 61
TK - 301
8Q - 5

For some reason they don't have KK Atlasjet stats.

To put this in context, PC operates about 800 daily flights and TK almost 2000 systemwide
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:30 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 26):

Turkish media wrote KK had no cancellations.

I've read anywhere Kotil spoke about 1200+ daily flights?
According to TK destination map, they have 4386 weekly flights (one way).
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:38 pm

Happy new year to all.

This time I start the year early and having my usual ESB-IST-DXB trip today. Now I wait at IST for my flight EK124. After 2 chaotic days at IST, I was a bit nervous yesterday but so far ESB-IST TK connection worked on time. But now it started snowing again in Istanbul and I have a bad feeling that by the evening things again may be chaotic.

In the Skylife magazine, TK chairman of the board, Mr.Ilker Ayci has a welcome article. He says that in 2016, TK will start HKT, SVQ, TUU, OMS, MEX and HAV. There is no information about BOG and PTY. He says that TK CIP Lounges will open in JFK and IAD.

He also says that TK expects a total pax of 72M for 2016 and 120M for 2023 (100th year of Republic) with 4% global marketshare which is now 2%. So TK again plans double digit growth also for 2016.
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:52 pm

Pouya Air started thrice weekly service to Van from Urmia with their unique cargo to passenger conversion An74 in December reports aviationiran.com, possibly their first international route.

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Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:17 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 27):
I've read anywhere Kotil spoke about 1200+ daily flights?
According to TK destination map, they have 4386 weekly flights (one way).

I don't know. Flightstats shows 2,007 flight for TK scheduled on January 2nd for example and 2,076 on January 3rd.

I wonder if they also include in codeshares just because they have a TK flight number also?

Quoting TK105 (Reply 28):
He also says that TK expects a total pax of 72M for 2016 and 120M for 2023 (100th year of Republic) with 4% global marketshare which is now 2%. So TK again plans double digit growth also for 2016.

72mil would be a big jump from ~62mil they forecast in 2015 !
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:58 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):

That's highly possible.
 
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Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:28 pm

Happy 2016 for all aviation fans!

Had a great flight to LHR with one of the newest A321s of TK, TC-JTD one day before the snow storm. The newest IFE system was really great. Hopefully all the fleet will have Thales system ASAP.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:19 am

TK seem to be catching up, many flights now running around an hour behind which isn't too bad. Some still 3-4 hrs but not as many.

MLE flight actually left just 14 minutes behind schedule.
If anyone knows, or has travelled through today - is IST calming down a little now?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:07 am

Sorry DHMI folks, but like last year you are responsible all of this chaos. I can understand some level of difficulties but this is disaster of planning and craftmanship. Snowfall may exceed but this is clear exepla of not to handle sitation. They have shiny mercedes trucks, special epuipment but lack of coordination and skilled workforce everything messed up. How a truck operator does not realise bump snow not under aircraft blocking its way ? Or sweeping a taxi line like a snake, not the center line ?

DHMI should get rid of this clowns and hire proper operators for their winter operations.
 
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Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:09 am

Quoting MeCe (Reply 34):
Sorry DHMI folks, but like last year you are responsible all of this chaos. I can understand some level of difficulties but this is disaster of planning and craftmanship. Snowfall may exceed but this is clear exepla of not to handle sitation. They have shiny mercedes trucks, special epuipment but lack of coordination and skilled workforce everything messed up. How a truck operator does not realise bump snow not under aircraft blocking its way ? Or sweeping a taxi line like a snake, not the center line ?

DHMI should get rid of this clowns and hire proper operators for their winter operations.

well, I was always able to keep politics and believes out of my posts, but unfortunately I can't resist now.

we heard about the winter preparations and even attended meetings, but way too often it ended in "insallah" (God willing) and "hayirlisi" (let's hope for the best). again, I'm trying not to jump on the populism train; however, these incompetent and clueless top management people have really no idea at all to manage aviation, let alone a snow chaos. just have a look at their CV's and their "way to the top".         
really sad for Turkish aviation...

BUT, and this is a really really big but; if things go right, we Turks are the biggest, greatest, largest, quickest and most proud people of the world. and if things go bad, always others are responsible for the misery. yes, DHMI is as much responsible for this chaos as TK, TAV, ISG, PC, TGS, etc. not a single institution could manage to establish a management of irregularity handling.

the stories of the last days are being revealed one by one. we have reporters desperately looking for TK/TGS personnel ( http://www.airkule.com/haber/THY-YE-MEKTUP-YAZDI/22597 in Turkish only) to passengers temperamentally discussing on the tarmac and infront of the aircraft for an hour ( http://www.airkule.com/haber/YOLCULAR-ZOR-ANLAR-YASADI/22598 in Turkish again) to an aircraft being stuck in Samsung for two days due to lack of equipment ( https://www.airporthaber.com/onur-air-haberleri/onur-air-ucagi-samsunda-mahsur-kaldi.html) to frustrated, stressed and aggressive passengers ( http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ataturk-h...imaninda-gecikme-arbedesi-40034589 watch the VIDEO!) and of course many many more... nevertheless, the "icing" on the cake for me was definitely Binali Yildirim's, Minister for Transport, visit to Ankara air traffic control center and his very personal new year wishes to the passengers of IST-DXB flight. this is ridiculous and laughable! ( http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...ildirimdan-yeni-yil-surprizi.html)

don't expect a crisis management from inept people and the mindset of "insallah"/"hayirlisi"...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:06 am

The more I fly EK, the more I hate them. Only cool thing about EK is ICE, everything else just stings:

- Check-In Agents in IST : Lots of games, lots of lies. Once you complain, they offer you priority passport line which actually takes longer time compared to normal line (actually it is a punishment line if you ask me). I think they specially select these personalities.

- Ground Personnel in IST : To many announcements, yet everything is chaotic. They consider passengers as a herd and they have their own practices which I even do not encounter on other EK flights at other airports.

- F/As : Summit of Arrogance, Waywardness, Roughness. They are the Emirs and passengers are the peasants. Can you believe, all flight long they kept the lights dimmed even during dinner service?! Everybody had to turn on their reading lights. And no, there was no technical problem, they turned lights on after landing and it was not a red eye flight, it was an early evening flight. I asked 2-3 FAs the reason and they kept answering "I'll inform the responsible crew". Family in front of me preordered a child meal for their 5 years old son and FAs forgot (or ignored) to serve it. After various attempts and visits (not calls) to FA galley, towards end of the 4hr flight they brought poor child's food. On an other flight a few years back, one of the FAs claimed that she was robbed during the flight. All passengers were searched on landing.

- Announcements on EK Flights : Never ends... The stupidest one is the announcement about the charity ("sadaka") envelopes for poor in Africa. What a joke...

- Consistency of Fleet : Yes, unlike TK, EK has an excellent consistency in its fleet: 10 abreast seating! Even after a 4-hr flight, you feel like you are beaten by a gang. I can not imagine a TATL flight on EK. OK, perhaps I'm 190cm and that is the problem. But then, they should have a warning: "Not advisable for potential passengers taller than 180cm" or "Passengers taller than 180cm can use EK Economy Class services on their own risk".
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:53 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
The absolute winner was yesterday's TK007 to IAD, which took off this morning at 07.50, or a whopping 18h15 late.

I was supposed to be on TK008 departing Dec 31 enroute to BOM. As I kept monitoring status of TK007 and delay kept building up - at about 3.45 pm Dec 31 - I went to TK ticketing counter at IAD (live very close by - so an easy trip) and the chap there was super helpful in putting me on QR rightaway - so I actually ended up in BOM 3 hours earlier than scheduled itin. That QR flight had many more such reroutes and was filled to the rafters....nearly 100% inn Y.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:55 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):

The more I fly EK, the more I hate them

So why fly them?
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:40 pm

I flew this New Year's Holiday with TK after an hiatus of 4-5 years (reason: the only 1-stop between my two destinations in Central Europe and the Middle East).

Yesterday IST (and that was already 1 day after the shut down) was an absolute zoo rather than an airport. People sleeping everywhere in cardboards (even in front of Hermes, Zegna and those stores... I made some funny pictures   ). Groups of African travellers singing. Even some guy (which really look like crazy) shouting to everybody in Russian (???) in the air side.

Also something I had noticed in the past is the fact that IST climate control is not well set. Some parts of the airport were unbelievably cold (barely any heating so you need your winter jacket on) and in others you could feel the heating at max (a T-shirt was enough).

Every other cafeteria landslide was packed and dirty (bins full and garbage outside). I even saw some waiters yelling (and then laughing) to some Eastern European girls sitting in a cafeteria (they were not customers... but somehow there was nowhere to seat). Really some customer service would be helpful...

IST staff couldn't care less! I remember at one of those stands where they give Turkish newspapers, some travellers asking for information... and the guy (I was behind him lining for another queue) looking at some Turkish website in his computer not even looking at the passenger (just telling her to go to the other queue).

Then when I was in the TK Care Point queue, a guy came to us and ask for destinations.... when I told him mine he sent me back to the queue when you land... (I asked why he sent us to another queue... no explanation). So I had to get back to mine. Whatever.

So really I will not find TK anytime soon. TK is OK when there are no issues. IST usually is a mess and packed... but yesterday was a nightmare. As far as there is an issue, they could not care less, and that is where the difference between a good and a bad company shows.

My flight back to Europe was with a bus and we had to wait in the cold to go to the plane and the tarmac was full of melted ice (and many people in sandals or flip-flops coming from sun destinations or Hajj).

So really I only saw two advantages for TK: prices and destinations. I found interesting my flight from Central Europe to IST was packed with Americans heading to the US. Obviously because TK heavy discounts fares Europe-US, so many people is willing to take a detour. My flight back from IST to Central Europe was packed with Hajj pilgrims which will also look for the lowest fare.

On the positive side, on my flights I found FAs to be quite nice. I had this feeling (I used to fly TK often in the past) that TK FAs tended to be a bit aloof, but this time my perception was different and better.

[Edited 2016-01-03 04:58:07]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:29 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 39):
So really I only saw two advantages for TK: prices and destinations. I found interesting my flight from Central Europe to IST was packed with Americans heading to the US. Obviously because TK heavy discounts fares Europe-US, so many people is willing to take a detour. My flight back from IST to Central Europe was packed with Hajj pilgrims which will also look for the lowest fare.

With the O&D system it is actually opposite than what you are mentioning... network is prioritized rather than point to point, and ALWAYS, and let me stress, ALWAYS, the higher revenue POS gets the seat.

And HAJJ is actually one of the highest yielding businesses for TK, way more than 80% of Y-class fares.

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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:43 pm

Quoting Steelyman (Reply 40):
With the O&D system it is actually opposite than what you are mentioning... network is prioritized rather than point to point, and ALWAYS, and let me stress, ALWAYS, the higher revenue POS gets the seat.

You can often see those sub EUR/USD 500 Europe-IST-US (a crazy detour I must say). Otherwise why would anyone ever consider that trip? Your argument makes no sense because in many of those US routes the local O&D is likely abysmal (how many PDEW between IST and IAH for instance) so the connecting passenger is not "stealing" the seat from the O&D passenger. The only way for TK to fill those seats is sell FRA-IST-IAH or BRU-IST-MIA for 400 or 500 EUR.

Btw I found quite weird that my flight yesterday back from IST to Europe got upgraded to a A321 (I assumed because the previous flight was cancelled) to only find out that was half empty (read plenty of rows with one passenger sleeping in the 3 seats). And my flight was already heavily delayed, so not even an excuse that other passengers could have lost their connection.

[Edited 2016-01-03 06:44:31]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:41 pm

Does anyone know why SAW - ALA (dep 31.12) was cancelled on Pegasus? Only the second new year in a row where my luggage not arrived and still waiting.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:50 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):
The more I fly EK, the more I hate them.

Dont torture yourself anymore. If EK is so bad, try someone else.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 41):
You can often see those sub EUR/USD 500 Europe-IST-US (a crazy detour I must say). Otherwise why would anyone ever consider that trip? Your argument makes no sense because in many of those US routes the local O&D is likely abysmal (how many PDEW between IST and IAH for instance) so the connecting passenger is not "stealing" the seat from the O&D passenger. The only way for TK to fill those seats is sell FRA-IST-IAH or BRU-IST-MIA for 400 or 500 EUR.

Keep in mind EUR500 fares are headline fares. Not entire plane is sold at those fares obviously. TK has quite strong yield management tools and obviously has made strong profits, so I think they know how to mix/match traffic flow to achieve good results.

Also keep in mind only about 1 in 4 (28% in Q3) TK customers are international-international connections. That means nearly 3 out 4 are Turkey O&D, and TK's bread and butter is based on its demand to/from its home market, not 6th freedom clients

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 41):
Btw I found quite weird that my flight yesterday back from IST to Europe got upgraded to a A321 (I assumed because the previous flight was cancelled) to only find out that was half empty (read plenty of rows with one passenger sleeping in the 3 seats). And my flight was already heavily delayed, so not even an excuse that other passengers could have lost their connection.

Did you consider the return sector might be full and require the larger gauge?
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:08 pm

I don't know if you missed it, but a few months back TK sent Casey Neistat to fly business class from JFK to IST return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5Q93Z8LAxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOG82eY2ik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0VMSpI4t7E

They're great videos.

[Edited 2016-01-03 13:09:21]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:25 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Keep in mind EUR500 fares are headline fares. Not entire plane is sold at those fares obviously. TK has quite strong yield management tools and obviously has made strong profits, so I think they know how to mix/match traffic flow to achieve good results.

Yes, but they always need to undercut fares from European majors. I can't see the sustainability.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Also keep in mind only about 1 in 4 (28% in Q3) TK customers are international-international connections. That means nearly 3 out 4 are Turkey O&D, and TK's bread and butter is based on its demand to/from its home market, not 6th freedom clients

I am sorry but those numbers show little. You cannot compare it to EK, QR or EY which virtually serve city-states with no domestic connections. Turkish Airlines serves a large country (+80M people?) with plenty of airports. But we are talking here about IST as an international hub which is what makes them the airline with more destinations in the world (and not passengers from IST to Samsun which maybe are +90% Turkish)... and that story-telling. Those international passengers are the ones filling planes to Houston, Tel Aviv, Osaka or Bristol... so please don't make me believe that those flights have 75% of Turkish passengers   I am not that stupid...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):
Did you consider the return sector might be full and require the larger gauge?

Yes but my destination was a high-income city in Europe with relatively little tourism or VFR from Asia/ME... so being after New Year's (and tomorrow is working day) I would expect holiday-makers coming home rather than the other way around... and also Saturday wouldn't be a day for business travellers going to Asia either... specially after New Year's.

Btw something anecdotical (or not) is that in both my destination and origin airports they asked me whether I was staying in IST, connecting to somewhere else in Turkey or connecting to a third country. Fortunately I am and look like a good boy so I have never been really questioned when entering "hard" countries (read US, Israel, etc). I assumed that this is due to my (call it) military-age range and that I am originally and live in countries that are a source of Daesh fighters (even if my name cannot sound less Muslim). So interestingly it seems that TK has branded itself as the unofficial carrier of that area.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:01 pm

A design for the Air Traffic Control towers at the Istanbul New Airport has been selected:

http://oi68.tinypic.com/15d74ae.jpg

Source
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151224005184/en

Note the TK A380s in the background   
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:55 pm

Brand Finance says Turkish Airlines has the worlds 2nd most valuable global airline branding position. (EK was #1)
TK gets very high scores for its development of its brand which measured very high performance among both social and traditional media viewers and their positive interaction and feeling about the company.

http://skift.com/2015/12/29/how-the-...s-ranked-with-consumers-this-year/

TK also had the 5th most watch video on YouTube in 2015!

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 46):
A design for the Air Traffic Control towers at the Istanbul New Airport has been selected:

Yes announced last month. Some additional photos and details available to view in December thread.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:10 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 46):
Note the TK A380s in the background

And is that an A350 I see to the left   
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:59 am

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 20):
The absolute winner was yesterday's TK007 to IAD, which took off this morning at 07.50, or a whopping 18h15 late.

Someone from a pet group I belong to was on that flight with her cat in the cabin, she was concerned about transit at IST wether it had a place to let it out and stretch its legs, not much info on google except some open air spot for smokers, little did she expect a 19 hour delay though I had informed about flights being cancelled, but everything went well according to her.

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