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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:44 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 38):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 43):

I avoid flying EK as much as possible but I do not want a red eye flight. If QR ESB-DOH-DXB schedule is not good, then I use EK via IST. Hopefully TK SAW-DXB day time flights will start soon and when QR is unavailable, I'll use TK.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:18 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 50):
I avoid flying EK as much as possible but I do not want a red eye flight. If QR ESB-DOH-DXB schedule is not good, then I use EK via IST. Hopefully TK SAW-DXB day time flights will start soon and when QR is unavailable, I'll use TK.

Until TK daytime SAW-DXB starts in early March you can try EY instead.
They have daytime IST-AUH. You can then take bus, taxi or private care to where ever you are staying in DXB.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:35 pm

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):
The more I fly EK, the more I hate them.

Shame to hear that I had 4 great flights with them before Christmas.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):
- Check-In Agents in IST

Maybe its an IST thing? Actually one of the most complained about part of the TK product is apparently ground staff/check in at IST. So Maybe it extends to other handling agents too.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):
- F/As : Summit of Arrogance, Waywardness, Roughness.

I am very surprised to hear this as the one thing that stood out on my flights was the crew and how they excelled.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 36):
The stupidest one is the announcement about the charity ("sadaka") envelopes for poor in Africa. What a joke...

Not sure I understand this point? What exactly do you think is wrong with charity donations on airlines?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:52 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 52):
What exactly do you think is wrong with charity donations on airlines?

First time I'm hearing of an airlinec collecting charity, did they do this for political causes as well, Palestine? international refugees? what about animals?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:30 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 53):

Many airlines are members of the UNICEF Change for Good program which is non political as it should be. They provide relief for Children in poor ares and conflict / disaster zones. A worthy cause. Surprised you have not heard of it plenty of major airlines involved. Aid goes to more than 150 countries.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:27 pm

Why dont they dish out one dollar from each ticket and at the end of the year donate that? it must amount to millions.

I have seen JAL and Asiana with their UNICEF stickers on aircraft, wondered what it was about.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:26 am

TK to start 3 new SAW routes: Stockholm, Copenhagen and Basra.
After start, 30 routes served by TK from SAW.

Onur Air in S16 to start IST-MUC flights.

TK increase frequency in S16 to Malta (13 to 14), Birmingham (12 to 14) and Edinburgh (9 to 10).

According to Turkish media, Pegasus and Onur ban Russia flights after 13JAN16 because of visa problems.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:08 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 56):

It seems TK simply cannot properly grow anymore due to the mess of IST.
As you see, the 'few' routes they are adding are from SAW. And obviously not for transit passengers unless they start a IST-SAW flight just to move passengers around haha.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:59 pm

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 56):
Onur Air in S16 to start IST-MUC flights.

Good. Route is a TK monopoly from IST at moment since LH pulled out.

I've heard the the scheduled service concept did well for Onur so hopefully we will see even more markets.
Related I saw a DHMI document and already Onur has 2nd largest marketshare at IST having passed Atlas.

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 57):
As you see, the 'few' routes they are adding are from SAW. And obviously not for transit passengers unless they start a IST-SAW flight just to move passengers around haha.

TK in early 2015 announced they were to assign 100 aircraft to SAW and would build a 2nd hub there.

They already sell SAW connection tickets today and as the operation grows surely more and more will transit at SAW.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 2:38 pm

Onur Air add another aircraft of Freebird. A321 TC-FBG will fly as TC-OEA for Onur Air.

And big news: According to Turkish media and webpage of TK, A333 TC-JOC is now officially written off. There are just 25 left in the fleet.
Aircraft had landing incident in Kathmandu.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:31 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 54):

Many airlines are members of the UNICEF Change for Good program which is non political as it should be. They provide relief for Children in poor ares and conflict / disaster zones. A worthy cause. Surprised you have not heard of it plenty of major airlines involved. Aid goes to more than 150 countries.

  
It seems quite common many airlines participate with charities.
Recently flew VS and they had coin bag. Actually its a great way to get rid of random left over foreign coins to donate them and help others.

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 57):
As you see, the 'few' routes they are adding are from SAW. And obviously not for transit passengers unless they start a IST-SAW flight just to move passengers around haha.

You can book tickets today that connect at SAW.
TK actually offers you mix/match SAW/IST flights which further increases connection possibilities. You can go via one airport, return via the other. Just like how LH can offer mix FRA/MUC connection itinerary options.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 58):
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 60):

Yes but thats a disaster. It takes at least 90 mins more likely 2 hours to connect IST to SAW. Madness. Anyway 2 years left before this circus is over with the new IST. I really think TK will make SAW a low cost hub for their operations and make new IST a megahub. Transfer their older 737-800's to AnadoluJet most likely.

[Edited 2016-01-05 07:42:05]

TK ops in SAW seem to be 737-800's from what I saw this summer.


[Edited 2016-01-05 07:42:34]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:36 pm

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 61):
It takes at least 90 mins more likely 2 hours to connect IST to SAW. Madness.

What are you talking about.

   
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:08 pm

Some more photos released of 3rd airport terminal.



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Also IGA has signed 5-year agreements with Copenhagen and Incheon airports as act as consultant to assist with the development of the new airport in areas such as business strategy, project management, human resource and operational readiness including trial operations.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:35 pm

Some exterior:



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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:40 pm

To say I am excited about this new airport is an understatement. Cannot wait to see it become a reality, really hope it opens on schedule.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:13 pm

New terminal looks amazing.

Those high vaulted ceilings will be quite a change compared today's somewhat claustrophobic IST. New terminal exudes impression of spaciousness and grandeur.

I also like they incorporate things like indoor plants/trees and use woods to bring color to the interior.
Too often new airports are too clinical with use of concrete, marble and metals without warm tones. Adding color from wood, plants, and other design elements should brighten and make it more welcome.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:33 pm

I continued my EK-TK adventures on the way back (DXB-IST-ESB).

Following a late departed and nervous 10-abreast seating flight with rude FAs and crap food on EK, our pilot had to go around as earlier plane could not clear the run way on time. After a second attempt, we landed safely but there was another surprise: It was announced that there was a criminal case onboard and all passengers had to keep in their seats. It took awhile for police to come and they detained some people, who were far east and middle eastern looking (for what I have no idea).

As a result, after all the rushing I was at passport control 30min before my connecting flight to ESB on TK. I was finally at CIP check-in counter on 18:45, for 19:00 TK 2174 IST-ESB flight. I asked if I can still board the plane. Check-In agent gave my boarding pass and asked me to be very quick. I rushed to the security check and ran to the gate. Ground stuff said that vehicles already left for the remote parked plane and it was already 18:50. Surprisingly (probably with the activation of check-in agent or may be computer system makes it automatically), they start announcing my name as final call for TK2174. Ground stuff (having no chance) ordered on radio a private vehicle for me and I was shortly on a small CIP van towards my remotely parked plane.

On 18:55, I reached my plane and cabin chief FA (50+ years old lady, you could easily recognise that she was from previous generation of FAs) was waiting for me. She kindly asked if I'm the person they are waiting for 13B. It was a 10 years old A332 (TC-JNB Konya). Finally I was in my seat and plane departed exactly on 19:00. But what a change after Emirates: 10-abreast seating to 8-abreast seating, 1 or 2 inch more knee space and quiet passengers. TK's old generation cabin chief and her team was a change like day and night compared to EK FAs. As a result, I had an excellent experience on TK from A to Z, right after always frustrating EK experience. I think, I'll not fly EK anymore (at least for sometime).

Quoting OA260 (Reply 54):
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 60):

Look! If they want to make donations, they can start from their ownership or management. We are talking about an airline with the most expensive fleet in the world, worth 50B+ USD (or something). EK also has lots of first class passengers who are having showers at the flying SPA and sleeping in their suits during their flights. EK can automatically donate up to 100USD per 1st class passenger easily. But insincere announcements like this, advertising how good and caring people they are, while they continue their flossy lives, makes me throw up.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 64):

Looks nice. They have to hurry to finish 3rd Airport. DHMI also has to start the second run way for SAW ASAP....
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:31 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 63):
Some more photos released of 3rd airport terminal.
Quoting TKA380 (Reply 65):
To say I am excited about this new airport
Quoting mercure1 (Reply 66):
New terminal looks amazing.
Quoting TK105 (Reply 67):
They have to hurry to finish 3rd Airport.

Is it a new terminal for the existing airport, or a new terminal for the new, upcoming airport?
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:25 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 68):
Is it a new terminal for the existing airport, or a new terminal for the new, upcoming airport?

Its for the new upcoming 3rd airport being built.



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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:28 pm

Btw in this month's magazine I noticed that most of those luxury developments in Istanbul that are announced make reference to the distances to the "3rd airport".
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:25 pm

Are there more concrete details on a rail connection from the new airport to the city centre - I could just find quite vague information like "all metro, bus and high-speed rail will be bundled at the terminal". But are there any such plans? And if so should they not be commencing to build them soon if the airport is to open in 2018/2019?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:18 pm

When is the airport opening / becoming operational? 2017 or 2018?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:55 pm

Quoting Tolmachevo (Reply 71):
Are there more concrete details on a rail connection from the new airport to the city centre - I could just find quite vague information like "all metro, bus and high-speed rail will be bundled at the terminal". But are there any such plans? And if so should they not be commencing to build them soon if the airport is to open in 2018/2019?

Yes there will be a rail link into the current metro system. Airport rail will connect at the Gayrettepe metro station. Rail journey is estimated to be 26-minute ride.

The tender will be put out by ministry of transportation first half of this year.

Otherwise I am sure there will be private buses (such as Havas) that link to the airport with new highways being completed. Also the 3rd Bosphorus bridge is scheduled to open this year which will provide highway link to the Asian side.

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 72):
When is the airport opening / becoming operational? 2017 or 2018?

Planned Q1 2018.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:31 pm

TK 's new bird B777 TC-LJE had first flight today.

[Edited 2016-01-06 14:32:54]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:44 am

TK had to fly back a Pakistani deportee to US along with his American security escort from ISB due to lack of proper documentation on the passenger, they were also fined, just wondering if TK knew they couldnt fly the man but US might have pressured them to.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:21 am

I was on TK1993 a few days ago when the aircraft suffered a technical problem and delayed for 90 minutes. It looks like the APU was not working and they need to start one engine at the stand

We were kept on board for the 90 minutes with minimal air conditioning, rather warm in the cabin.

After take off, we were told that the aircraft had another technical problem and there was no potable water supply (no hot drinks) nor any water in the toilets. Unfortunately this is not so nice but fortunately first time I have problems in their planes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:25 am

Quote:
Turkish Airlines and Avianca Group plans to expand codeshare routes, which will includes service via Toronto
www.twitter.com/airlineroute/status/685173286054002688
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:02 am

Turkish State Airports Administration released pax numbers for 2015 now.

ESB (Ankara) annual pax volume increased from 11,012,119 in 2014 to 12,326,869 in 2015 making it the 4th busiest airport in Turkey for the year.

The top three are;

IST 61,322,729
SAW 28,112,438
AYT 27,724,249

SAW is now Turkey's second busiest airport putting AYT to 3rd busiest.

ESB also overtakes ADB as 4th busiest in 2015,

ADB is quite close to ESB at 12,139,788 pax in 2015

Considering the global economic downturn and turmoil in the region I find the results remarkable as one of the few growing markets in Europe....Other than AYT all other major airports in Turkey saw two digit growth numbers in pax numbers..AYT recorded -2 decline.

Those interested in more figures should visit www.dhmi.gov.tr
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:40 am



Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 78):

Where can I find 2015 numbers of all airports? I couldn't locate it.

[Edited 2016-01-07 23:49:01]
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:02 am

So will IST have more passengers than FRA for 2015?

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 78):
Considering the global economic downturn

I don't understand what you mean. Pretty much every Western country (from Spain to the United States) will close 2015 with more airplane passengers than in any year in history. So there is nothing exceptional about growing in 2015; whether Turkey is in an economic crisis (as most BRICS and so-called emerging economies) does not mean that Europe or North America are doing better than ever, and IST and SAW rely a lot on those transit passengers.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:36 am

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 79):

select the "statistics" on the website I quoted in my post...you can download the excel spreadsheet and the entire country data is there. Hope it helps...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:48 am

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 80):

I do not have the year-end numbers for FRA for 2015 but in 2014 FRA made hardly 60 million pax so I think IST passed FRA in 2015.

Regarding your comment, the region surrounding Turkey is very volatile as you know for a couple of years now and yes 2015 is a better year for civil aviation in a global scale but the commodity and financial markets are not doing as well as expected in general....I wanted to stress the fact that Turkish civil aviation market is maintaining its positive growth for over a decade now and it is remarkable in my opinion....

Of course there is a lot of pax from other countries that help the positive trend tremendously but the domestic market in Turkey is strong too..This page is for Turkish Aviation so we talk about Turkey here, of course there is a lot to discuss if we expand on this topic but it is a rather wider issue...
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:47 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 82):

I think the new IST can easily do 90,000,000 with a decrease in SAW traffic and an increase of TK traffic due to them buying new planes and flying new routes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:24 am

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 78):

Let me summarise it for you:


Turkish Airports Traffic Results 2015
--- Airport -------- Pax No -------- Domestic % ------ International % ------ Total % ---
IST61.322.729+4+10+8
SAW28.112.438+24+12+20
ESB12.326.869+12 +8+12
ADB12.139.788+13+1,5+11
AYT27.724.249+11-6-2
ADA5.369.260+14+15+14
TZX3.361.450+22+4+21
GZT2.480.979+21+2+19
DLM4.377.101+22-5+2
BJV3.877.603+16 -16+1
TURKEY181.355.761+14,1+4,4+9.4


- Declining tourism strongly reflected to AYT, DLM, BJV and partly ADB international figures. But growing domestic traffic and international-to-international traffic of TK and PGS kept the overall growth very strong.

- Provincial airports like ADA, TZX and GZT are doing very good. Now ADA is bigger than many capital city airports in East Europe.

- IST and SAW domestic pax totals are very close. In 2016, SAW will become Turkey's biggest domestic airport.

- I do not have a comparison figure but Turkey is probably one of the biggest in Europe based on overall passenger numbers.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:51 am

Quoting TK105 (Reply 84):

It seems IST cannot really grow much more, growth is slowing down.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 12:27 pm

Quoting ahmetdouas (Reply 85):
It seems IST cannot really grow much more, growth is slowing down.

They are still investing millions into the airport although the new one will open within short time.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:08 pm

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 80):
So will IST have more passengers than FRA for 2015?

Well by November FRA had 56,933,670 with 2.5pct growth rate and in 2014 DEC they had 4,014,913 pax.

With same 2.5 growth in DEC 2015, the FRA numbers should be -- 61,048,955.

Will be extremely close !

Quoting TK105 (Reply 84):
Let me summarise it for you:

Why is your chart numbers not in order?

AYT should be above ESB.

DLM should be over TZX

BJV should be over TZX


Anyhow numbers are interesting as they show 1 city - Istanbul accounts for 50% of entire nations enplanements, while many dozen other cities combined barely achieve the other 50% half.
No wonder why Istanbul is the big prize in the in the eyes of airlines that service Turkey.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 2:47 pm

Latest TK fleet list.

REG. TYPE CODE MSN SEATS
TC-JDM A340-311 343 115 270
TC-JDN A340-313 340 180 270
TC-JIH A340-313 340 270 270
TC-JII A340-313 340 331 270
TC-JNA A330-203 332 697 250
TC-JNB A330-203 332 704 250
TC-JNC A330-203 332 742 250
TC-JND A330-203 332 754 250
TC-JNE A330-203 332 774 250
TC-JNF A330-203 33R 463 281
TC-JNG A330-203 33R 504 281
TC-JIL A330-203 33J 882 220
TC-JIM A330-203 33J 901 220
TC-JIN A330-203 33J 932 220
TC-JIO A330-223 33A 869 223
TC-JIP A330-223 33A 876 223
TC-JIR A330-223 33A 949 223
TC-JIS A330-223 33A 961 223
TC-JIT A330-223 33A 977 223
TC-JIV A330-223 33A 1213 223
TC-JIY A330-223 33A 1221 223
TC-JIZ A330-223 33A 1118 223
TC-LNA A330-223 33T 874 269
TC-LNB A330-223 33T 939 269
TC-JNH A330-343 333 1150 289
TC-JNI A330-343 333 1160 289
TC-JNJ A330-343 333 1170 289
TC-JNK A330-343 333 1172 289
TC-JNL A330-343 333 1204 289
TC-JNM A330-343 333 1212 289
TC-JNN A330-343 333 1228 289
TC-JNO A330-343 333 1298 289
TC-JNP A330-343 333 1307 289
TC-JNR A330-343 333 1311 289
TC-JNS A330-303 333 1458 289
TC-JNT A330-303 333 1476 289
TC-JNZ A330-303 333 1487 289
TC-JOA A330-303 333 1501 289
TC-JOB A330-303 333 1514 289
TC-JOD A330-303 333 1529 289
TC-JOE A330-303 333 1571 289
TC-JOF A330-303 333 1616 289
TC-JOG A330-303 333 1620 289
TC-JOH A330-303 333 1622 289
TC-JOI A330-303 333 1629 289
TC-JOJ A330-303 333 1640 289
TC-JOK A330-303 333 1642 289
TC-JOL A-330-303 333 1644 289
TC-JOM A330-302 33L 1499 291
TC-JDO A330-243F 33X 1004 Freighter
TC-JDP A330-243F 33Y 1092 Freighter
TC-JDR A330-243F 33Y 1344 Freighter
TC-JDS A330-243F 33Y 1418 Freighter
TC-JCI A330-243F 33Y 1442 Freighter
TC-JOU A330-243F 33Y 1550 Freighter
TC-JLM A319-132 319 2738 132
TC-JLN A319-132 319 2739 132
TC-JLO A319-132 319 2631 132
TC-JLP A319-132 319 2655 132
TC-JLR A319-132 319 3142 132
TC-JLS A319-132 316 4629 132
TC-JLT A319-132 316 4665 132
TC-JLU A319-132 316 4695 132
TC-JLV A319-132 316 4755 132
TC-JLY A319-132 316 4774 132
TC-JLZ A319-132 316 4790 132
TC-JUA A319-132 31H 2404 132
TC-JUB A319-132 31H 2414 132
TC-JUD A319-132 31H 2452 132
TC-JPA A320-232 320 2609 159
TC-JPB A320-232 320 2626 159
TC-JPC A320-232 320 2928 159
TC-JPD A320-232 320 2934 159
TC-JPE A320-232 320 2941 159
TC-JPF A320-232 320 2984 159
TC-JPG A320-232 320 3010 159
TC-JPH A320-232 320 3185 159
TC-JPI A320-232 320 3208 159
TC-JPJ A320-232 320 3239 159
TC-JPK A320-232 320 3257 159
TC-JPL A320-232 320 3303 159
TC-JPM A320-232 320 3341 159
TC-JPN A320-232 320 3558 159
TC-JPO A320-232 320 3567 159
TC-JPP A320-232 320 3603 159
TC-JPR A320-232 320 3654 159
TC-JPS A320-232 320 3718 159
TC-JPT A320-232 320 3719 159
TC-JPU A320-214 32C 3896 150
TC-JPV A320-214 32C 3931 150
TC-JPY A320-214 32C 3949 150
TC-JAI A320-232 32G 3259 150
TC-JBI A320-232 32G 3308 150
TC-JUE A320-232 32P 2156 162
TC-JUF A320-232 32P 2164 162
TC-JUG A320-232 32P 2395 162
TC-JUI A320-232 32P 2401 162
TC-JUJ A320-232 32D 2522 150
TC-JUK A320-232 32P 2602 162
TC-JRA A321-231 321 2823 194
TC-JRB A321-231 321 2868 194
TC-JRC A321-231 321 2999 194
TC-JRD A321-231 321 3015 194
TC-JRE A321-231 321 3126 194
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:06 pm

I notice the new 739's have 18 more seats. Is the C class the same with just more Y or have they changed the pitch in both classes.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:56 pm

Quoting ankaraflyjet (Reply 81):

Thanks. I found it now. Very impressive!

Very quiet numbers between ESB and ADB.

Quoting TK105 (Reply 84):

Thanks for the comparison.
Was it a bad summer in number of visitors for ADB, DLM, BJV and AYT?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 88):

Thanks for the fleet! Always wonderful.
Does TC-JJP B773 has now 349 seats, so configuration is changed from C28W63Y246 to C49Y300?
The Aircraft Code is the same as before, right?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:55 pm

Quoting mercure1 (Reply 87):
Anyhow numbers are interesting as they show 1 city - Istanbul accounts for 50% of entire nations enplanements, while many dozen other cities combined barely achieve the other 50% half.
No wonder why Istanbul is the big prize in the in the eyes of airlines that service Turkey.

  

Like we've discussed here before, things in Turkey are very much centered on Istanbul economically and travel wise.

If one removes some of the Aegean/Mediterranean beach destinations that receive lots of direct charter activity, this emphasis on Istanbul becomes even more apparent.

Quoting TKA380 (Reply 89):

I notice the new 739's have 18 more seats. Is the C class the same with just more Y or have they changed the pitch in both classes.

Primary difference is with C class. The 151 seat aircraft used for longer hauls into Africa have more spacious business class cabin, while the 169 seat aircraft have the standard narrowbody business cabin. There might be slight pitch change in the back also, but primary difference is the business cabin spacing.

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 90):
Does TC-JJP B773 has now 349 seats, so configuration is changed from C28W63Y246 to C49Y300?

Best to my knowledge aircraft still has has Comfort Class. So far only aircraft that has seen Comfort removed is -JJL
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:06 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 88):
Latest TK fleet list.

Thanks for the list LAXintl.

What sectors are the 738 SFP typically assigned to and what is the difference between the '738' and '78D' sub fleets?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:07 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):

  
Wrote it false, I meant JJL too. Thanks!
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:26 pm

SFP = short field performance.
For TK it does not matter much, but aircraft is designed to offer increased payload capability in and out of airports with shorter runways.
Its partially physical differences such as a two-position tail skid, sealed leading-edge slats, and increased flight spoiler deflection in addition to software changes that allow reduced approach and takeoff speeds and increased lift.

Diff between 738 and 78D is the cabin config. 165 vs 151 and about a 300kg difference in max allowed ZFW and MLW.
Also the older 738s are being retrofitted with lighter carbon brakes as part of overhauls. About 10 have been retrofitted to date.
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:32 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 94):

SFP = short field performance.
For TK it does not matter much, but aircraft is designed to offer increased payload capability in and out of airports with shorter runways.
Its partially physical differences such as a two-position tail skid, sealed leading-edge slats, and increased flight spoiler deflection in addition to software changes that allow reduced approach and takeoff speeds and increased lift.

I was aware of that. Just interested in knowing whether they were acquired with particular fields in mind.

Thanks anyway.
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:34 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 91):

Best to my knowledge aircraft still has has Comfort Class. So far only aircraft that has seen Comfort removed is -JJL

Correct, next one is JJN
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:53 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 94):

There are 78G too. What is the difference to 738? Both has 165 seats.
And do you know which 25 B738s are owned by TK?
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sat Jan 09, 2016 12:24 am

Apparently, Turkey is going to end Visa-free travel with 89 countries in order to travel Visa-free to Europe.
This is to align our visa requirements with the Schengen's visa requirements.

I couldn't find any English sources but here is a Turkish source:
http://www.bbc.com/turkce/haberler/2016/01/160108_turkiye_turist_vize

I have no idea where the 89 countries figure came out from (Haberturk and Hurriyet are also quoting 89 countries). About 40 countries can travel Visa-free to Turkey (Including E-Visa and Visa on Arrival countries) but can't travel to Europe. My guess who ever came up with the 89 countries figure also counted conditional E-Visa countries, countries we issue E-Visas to only if they have a valid Schengen visa, so they don't really count.

Personally, I don't think it is a good deal, in fact it's horrible. I don't see why we should end our Visa-free travel agreements with 40 (or 89) countries just to travel Visa-free to 20-30 European countries, not worth it IMO. I would understand ending agreements with countries like Syria and Iraq, but not 40 other countries like Thailand, Indonesia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Georgia, China etc.

The benefit of visa-free travel to Europe will be negated by the countries we don't have a visa-free agreement with anymore, in fact I think it will hurt us more. I'm just hoping this news is not accurate, since I can't seem to find anything more concrete (No Turkish officials or press releases being quoted or anything)
 
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RE: Turkish Aviation January 2016

Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:14 am

Quoting 1g (Reply 98):

What I don^t get is why both cannot be combined?
Schengen countries could continue checking passports of all passenger from Turkey. This would guarantee that visa-free Turkish citizens enter EU and not citizens of other countries coming from Turkey. --> No need to annulate those agreements with the other countries. This is pure negotiation.

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