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A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:21 pm

Please continue discussion here:
A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 12 (by KarelXWB Nov 23 2015 in Civil Aviation)
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:00 am

Former test aircraft MSN 5 in storage, and one missing engine:

http://oi63.tinypic.com/xf0ql3.jpg
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:26 am

Karel wasn't there a rumor that Air Caraibes will get MSN005?
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:41 am

I thought this was in preperation for sale to Air Antibes (or something like that) - it does not look like it is being actively worked on.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:12 pm

YB travelled the world in the final stages of certification. As she's going to be sold, have Airbus found a buyer yet? Is Air Caraibes a rumor?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:05 pm

Quoting Ab345 (Reply 2):
Karel wasn't there a rumor that Air Caraibes will get MSN005?
Quoting rbrunner (Reply 4):

I thought this was in preperation for sale to Air Antibes
Quoting rbrunner (Reply 4):
Is Air Caraibes a rumor?

It's indeed a rumor and was never confirmed by Airbus.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:09 pm

Seems that GECAS is getting more A350s as Finnair reached a sale and leaseback deal for their first two A350s.

http://www.finnairgroup.com/mediaen/mediaen_7.html?Id=xml_2074448.html

Also MSN 51 AY #7 will be delivered in July 2016 followed by MSN 97 AY #8 in February 2017.
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Fuselage parts for MSN 60 UL #3 seen in Hamburg today:


A350 part MSN60 Sri Lankan #3 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 05, 2016 12:15 pm

From the previous thread...

A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 12 (by KarelXWB Nov 23 2015 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 203):
Good summary, Mario (as usual). Thank you for sharing.

I'm so glad, Richard, that You have found this little summary interesting (as usual)  


.. and since I was asked to repost . A350 delivery table from the previous thread here...




... and a brief reminder of the first Finnair´s . A350-941, MSN 018, reg. OH-LWA, powered by twin . Trent XWB-84, three-shaft turbofans, each 374,54 kN - 84.200 lb s.t., landing for the first time at HEL airport, on 7. Oct 2015 …




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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:24 pm

Quoting Millenium (Reply 9):
Production lists:

http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list
http://www.abcdlist.nl/a350f/a350f.html

Shouldn't be long now until the 1st -1000 will enter final assembly at TLS.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:20 pm

Tail fin for MSN 50 TG #2 is ready for Beluga transport to TLS:


A350 fin MSN050 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
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Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:38 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 12):
MSN23 RTO this afternoon.

First flight tomorrow?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:46 pm

What are the next deliveries on the agenda (other than MSN's 22, 23 &12)? Does anybody know?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:51 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 12):
MSN23 RTO this afternoon.

It was a wet day.


RTO msn23 6/1/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:09 pm

I know they do an RTO before each first fligh for a plane. These seem for production frames to be the day before the first flight.

What are the key system being tested - brakes obviously but there must be more.

Also what post RTO checks are done?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:42 am

Quoting StTim (Reply 16):
What are the key system being tested - brakes obviously but there must be more.

An RTO is one of the hardest tests an aircraft has to undergo before its first flight. The RTO test is typically performed under the worst possible conditions; i.e. with fully worn out brakes, the plane loaded to maximum takeoff weight and no use of thrust reversers. During an RTO test, most of the kinetic energy of the airplane is converted to heat by the brakes, which may cause the fusible plugs of the tires to melt, causing them to deflate. Small brake fires are acceptable as long as they do not spread to the airplane body within five minutes (the maximum likely time for arrival of the airport fire fighters). That’s basically it, IIRC.

[Edited 2016-01-07 03:44:34]
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:47 am

I understand the intensive use of RTO's during flight testing - building up to an MTOW test as described.

But I was actually asking about the RTO that each frame does before that frames first flight. It is not done at MTOW nor at very high speed. From what I see they are usually around the 100knts mark and the frame just taxis back to the flightline.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:42 pm

MSN 23 first flight today:

http://fr24.com/AIB01FR/8789ccd
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:16 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
MSN 23 first flight today:

She's on the move
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:20 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 18):

I understand the intensive use of RTO's during flight testing - building up to an MTOW test as described.

But I was actually asking about the RTO that each frame does before that frames first flight. It is not done at MTOW nor at very high speed. From what I see they are usually around the 100knts mark and the frame just taxis back to the flightline.

Its shows that there is a good indication that the manufacturer and test flight departments have a high level of confidence in the manufacturing team at that point, as the RTO stills does an all up test of most of the aircrafts systems without committing the crew to take off  
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:17 pm

Thank you very much sir.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:18 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
It was a wet day.

Weather for FF was much better:

First flight msn23 F-WZFR 7/1/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, auf Flickr
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:17 pm

Any news re flying testbed for 1000 RR power plant? F-WWOW has not been airborne for some weeks now. Possibly festive break or an engine strip down or added instrumentation!
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:05 pm

Any news from MSN 22 ? I guess it was expected to be delivered in january but cannot find it in the Airbus Daily Report from yesterday
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:17 pm

Quoting euroflyer (Reply 25):
Any news from MSN 22 ? I guess it was expected to be delivered
n january but cannot find it in the Airbus Daily Report from yesterday

Delivery expected at January 27th according to the unofficial production list.

http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 4:30 pm

Good to see MSN60. Any idea of positions of MSN52 and 55?
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:41 pm

i will make some calls and get some info on the flying test bed engine next week.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 6:32 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 17):
The RTO test is typically performed under the worst possible conditions; i.e. with fully worn out brakes, t

This is the airframe checkout, not qual testing.

So it is a 'shake out' test to verify engines develop thrust, brakes work, and nothing falls off during acceleration, rattling, or deceleration. Inspections happen to then verify workmanship. For example, that no overhead bin popped open.

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:33 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 29):
This is the airframe checkout, not qual testing.

So it is a 'shake out' test to verify engines develop thrust, brakes work, and nothing falls off during acceleration, rattling, or deceleration. Inspections happen to then verify workmanship. For example, that no overhead bin popped open.

     

All Boeing models undergo similar testing. Brake systems are checked during taxi out and a high speed taxi (60 /- kts) on the runway (prior to initial takeoff) confirms full engine thrust is available -- on all but the 737 full thrust is not checked statically, so it's comforting to know the first time you see the engines at full thrust on the wing you're not planning on putting the airplane in the air.

Boeing does the RTO after the flight just above the activation airspeed to confirm proper system operation. Doing it after flight ensures the brakes are not too warm for the initial takeoff and a failure (blown tire, etc) won't cause a flight delay.

Even though the abort speed is not that high (less than 100 kts) the stopping capability of a lightly loaded airplane is impressive and will shakeout any loose parts.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:46 am

Quoting BOAC1966 (Reply 24):
Any news re flying testbed for 1000 RR power plant? F-WWOW has not been airborne for some weeks now. Possibly festive break or an engine strip down or added instrumentation!
Quoting lowbank (Reply 28):
i will make some calls and get some info on the flying test bed engine next week.

It performed a RTO yesterday.


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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:13 am

According to this story, Airbus has now succeeded in rectifying the seat delay problem which limited output last year, but now faces a further delay over toilets:-


"Dec 15 France's Zodiac Aerospace is behind schedule in supplying toilets for the Airbus A350, it said on Tuesday, just as it emerges from a year-long crisis over delays in production of aircraft seats that disrupted some airplane deliveries.

Earlier on Tuesday Airbus Group Chief Executive Tom Enders said the planemaker may miss its target for 15 A350 deliveries this year because of delays in receiving cabin fittings.

The delay is likely to cap deliveries of Europe's newest passenger jet at 14 units this year.

Zodiac Aerospace Chief Executive Olivier Zarrouati told analysts on a conference call that resolving the delays in delivering onboard toilets would take only a "few months".


http://www.reuters.com/article/zodiac-aerospace-idUSL8N1444NP20151215
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

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Old news already discussed in thread 12 starting with reply 147.
 
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Quoting BobMUC (Reply 33):

Is this the cause for the delays?
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Does somebody know what the target for 2016 is?
 
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Quoting rbrunner (Reply 35):
Does somebody know what the target for 2016 is?

Some A350s will be delivered. Confidence is high.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

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Quoting rbrunner (Reply 35):
Does somebody know what the target for 2016 is?

According to this article, Airbus aims for at least 30 frames.

"Airbus Group said it was on track to deliver 15 A350 passenger jets this year and aimed to more
than double that in 2016 as it focuses on the ramp-up for its newest passenger jet."

I suspect we will hear more about it on Airbus annual press-conference on Tuesday.

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:07 am

There are currently 30 A350s in TLS, all in different stages of assembly. It's safe to assume all will be delivered this year.

Official delivery forecast should be announced on January 12 (tomorrow).
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Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 37):
I suspect we will hear more about it on Airbus annual press-conference on Tuesday
Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 37):
Official delivery forecast should be announced on January 12 (tomorrow).

Thanks. I'm looking forward to that.

[Edited 2016-01-11 03:25:40]
 
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
Official delivery forecast should be announced on January 12 (tomorrow).

This should have appeared as the second quote on reply 39
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:04 pm

Here is the link if you want to watch their press conference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5RzGbb8Sg
 
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Quoting StTim (Reply 41):
Here is the link if you want to watch their press conference

Great. Thanks a lot!
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:06 pm

Quoting BOAC1966 (Reply 24):
Any news re flying testbed for 1000 RR power plant? F-WWOW has not been airborne for some weeks now.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 31):
It performed a RTO yesterday.

And now departing on its next flight:

http://fr24.com/AIB78OW/88171bd
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:48 am

Delivery target set at 50 aircraft.

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:49 am

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 35):
Does somebody know what the target for 2016 is?

The target for this year is 50 A350 according to Airbus pc.
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Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:13 am

That is quite a few more than people were thinking on here.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 12, 2016 11:05 am

Well that's because Airbus previously said 'doubling production' and many people interpreted it as '30 deliveries'.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:56 pm

Happy New Year everybody!

First update of 2016, in order of TAC:
MSNs 22>12>26>23>27>21>30>29 - this takes us up until the end of March.

The long awaited MSN12 should have it's FF at the end of the month with TAC on 22nd Feb.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

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Hello Richards2K14
Best wishes also !
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