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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:59 pm

Final assembly is scheduled to begin next month.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:08 pm

Second CX A350 MSN32 on the move today:


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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:34 pm

In the CAPA article about CX, there is a paragraph about the A350's delay:

"Cathay Pacific faces a longer delivery delay of its first A350s. The aircraft is understood to be fine as far as Airbus production is concerned; the issue is with Cathay's business class seat (a slightly modified version of its existing product) and likely post-deadline changes Cathay requested for the seat.

Cathay calls the seat FB2+ and it is based on the Cirrus design and manufactured by Zodiac. Although Zodiac has become embattled with various issues (Airbus has cited Zodiac lavatory problems while American Airlines dropped Zodiac as a supplier), it is unclear how much blame is with Cathay for requesting late changes versus any problems with Zodiac. The first Cathay A350 was originally expected in Feb-2016 but then delayed to Mar-2016, as CAPA noted in Nov-2015. A further delay now sees mid-2016 delivery as the likely target."

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-unions-10-abreast-response-263367

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:37 pm

MSN 42 QR #13 on the move today:


Msn42 26/1/2016 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:17 am

CI brings group of Taiwanese media to Toulouse take a look at its newest A350
As shown below, the tail has been painted.



Articles talked about how this is the first time CI allowed Airbus painters to paint the plum blossom. Before the A350, CI had to send its own painters from Taiwan to paint the flower. The Airbus painters selected for the A350 tail painting task were reportedly proud of finishing the difficult task.



Apparently the supplier issues haven't affected CI (or they are simply holding on to telling the media)
Media reports are all showing CI A350 delivery month as July 2016
Planned routes and seating plans can be found here: http://talkairlines.wordpress.com/20...in-design-and-outlines-route-plan/





[Edited 2016-01-26 16:28:57]
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:17 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 152):
In the CAPA article about CX, there is a paragraph about the A350's delay:

The business class seat has been reported as failing the 9G impact test. Interestingly the seats for the CX Boeing's have passed to a level far higher than the Airbus seats. 16G I heard.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:31 am

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 152):
how much blame is with Cathay for requesting late changes versus any problems with Zodiac.

You will recall that about 2 years ago there was a flurry of protest from interior suppliers, that Airbus had given them insufficient time to make the changes Airbus mandated, to keep weight down.

Could some of the delivery problems be the end result of this?

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:19 am

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:36 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 156):
You will recall that about 2 years ago there was a flurry of protest from interior suppliers, that Airbus had given them insufficient time to make the changes Airbus mandated, to keep weight down.

Could some of the delivery problems be the end result of this?

Seats had nothing to do with that.... This looks like a problem between Cathay and Zodiac and has nothing to with Airbus.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:47 am

It is after all a Cathay specific seat - not an Airbus catalogue seat.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:03 am

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 155):

Sounds like the sort of rubbish that comes out of the Boeing fleet, there is no Airbus or Boeing dynamic g requirement, it is set by the FAA and EASA, even the A330/A340 have 16g seats. All new aircraft are required to have 16g dynamic seats. The issue with the A350 seats from what I understand is not the dynamic g loading, it is to do with head injury protection, the two normal ways this is provided is a shoulder harness or an airbag.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:00 pm

Finnair's 4th was in the engine test area earlier.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/hwdd8y.jpg
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 2:27 pm

A fuselage section for MSN 64 JJ #6 was seen in XFW today.


A350 part LATAM PR-XTF #6 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 3:09 pm

China Airlines first A350 being assembled.


https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12615559_1248892945126987_7816324351308476186_o.jpg



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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:35 pm

Quoting Miami (Reply 163):
China Airlines first A350 being assembled.

Seems to be the same photo as in reply 157 . . .
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:39 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 160):

Sounds like the sort of rubbish that comes out of the Boeing fleet,

In that case the Airbus fleet office need to speak to the Boeing fleet office because I was told this by them.

[Edited 2016-01-27 22:29:47]
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:39 am

When is ET's first being delivered?
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:41 am

Off-topic a bit, but wouldn't it make sense to outfit the entire aircraft as economy, then refit when the business seats are ready?

Seems odd that an AN124 can be chartered to replace an engine cowl to keep an A380 in service, but it's acceptable to delay into service an entire aircraft for months just because the business section can't be fitted out properly.....
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Thu Jan 28, 2016 12:29 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 142):
First engine run on MSN 26:

FF expected next week with TAC on 24th Feb.

Quoting Starbucks (Reply 147):
MSN27 Rolled out to the Flightline:

FF in week 6 with TAC on 26th Feb.

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 149):
Amy news regarding the first -1000 prototype? Shouldn't parts start arriving at TLS pretty soon?

The Wings are due to be delivered from Bremen week 5/6.

Quoting ek241yyz (Reply 166):
When is ET's first being delivered?

At the moment, it's scheduled for the end of May/beginning of June.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:37 pm

Great info, as usual. Thanks, Richards2K14
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:23 am

Main fuselage sections for MSN 59 are now being shipped to the final assembly line.

http://oi66.tinypic.com/33dzgc9.jpg
http://twitter.com/AirlineReporter/status/694118400658792448

[Edited 2016-02-01 03:25:04]
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:28 am

Looks like MSN59 is going to lauc=nch out of sequence - but into a different set of stations so as to not upset the industrialization process for the 900's.

I also note that (if http://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list is correct) that at present the work in station 50 is working well as normally only two of the three stations are being used. Stations 40 and 30 are still utilising all three slots.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:15 pm

Pre-assembly at XFW. Parts of MSN 68 SQ #8, MSN 69 QR #16 and MSN 71 (3rd A350-1000 prototype) can be seen.

http://oi66.tinypic.com/nqscyf.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/33ddoab.jpg

See http://twitter.com/AirlineReporter/status/694143466905825280 for more photos.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:34 pm

MSN 26 just completed its RTO.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/13zmr6f.jpg

First flight should follow very quickly.
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Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:02 pm

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:28 pm

At least Rolls, are rolling
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:24 pm

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 176):
Not like Purepowers !

Sorry couldn't resist:
A320neo Lufthansa D-AINB by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

Taxitests for the second LH neo today  
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:36 am

I have a few questions:


1. Are operations all performed at one station?

- If not:

2. Does the line move?
3. Are the frames craned from station to station?


Whilst we see up to frame 73 - it does look like (in http://www.flickr.com/photos/airlinereporter/24472507640/) that there are additional pre stuffed frames in the bay behind this one.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:27 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 172):
Pre-assembly at XFW. Parts of MSN 68 SQ #8, MSN 69 QR #16 and MSN 71 (3rd A350-1000 prototype) can be seen.

It seems like the section for MSN 71 has the same length like the others for the -900s. That made me think how the stretch is done on the -1000? Do they use plugs or (other) longer sections?

thx
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:37 am

Quoting Bambel (Reply 180):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 172):
Pre-assembly at XFW. Parts of MSN 68 SQ #8, MSN 69 QR #16 and MSN 71 (3rd A350-1000 prototype) can be seen.

It seems like the section for MSN 71 has the same length like the others for the -900s. That made me think how the stretch is done on the -1000? Do they use plugs or (other) longer sections?

thx
b.

AFAIK the middle sections are the same length and the front and aft sections are longer than on the -900
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:12 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 173):
MSN 26 just completed its RTO

First flight today?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:16 pm

Weather dependant I understand.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 1:31 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 182):
First flight today?

Yes http://fr24.com/AIB01FU/8b42e83
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:32 pm

And MSN 26 is in the air.


1st flight of first Airbus A350-941 Singapore Airlines | cn 026 | F-WZFU -> 9V-SMA by Jujug Spotting, on Flickr

Next first flight should be MSN 12.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:46 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 186):
Next first flight should be MSN 12

MSNs 22 & 23 had their first flights nearly 2 months ago and nearly 1 month ago respectively, and they never took off again.
Is it specifically because of delayed delivery of seats, lavatories, etc. (i.e. Zodiac) ?
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:03 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 186):
And MSN 26 is in the air.

Finally!! What a graceful bird!   
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:36 pm

XWB seems to be doing some cold weather work up in Finland.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:52 pm

MSN 44 TG #1 and 45 JJ #4 at P18 (ground tests) today:


Untitled by theo franchi, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:55 pm

Quoting bycac (Reply 185):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 186):

Someone has been faster than Karel!  

Superbe photo! Merci Mr Alloing.
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:00 pm

Quoting rbrunner (Reply 187):
MSNs 22 & 23 had their first flights nearly 2 months ago and nearly 1 month ago respectively, and they never took off again.
Is it specifically because of delayed delivery of seats, lavatories, etc. (i.e. Zodiac) ?

Both aircraft are currently parked on the flight line, not sure what they are waiting for.


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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:14 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 192):
Both aircraft are currently parked on the flight line, not sure what they are waiting for.

toilets I assume.
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:15 pm

Testbed MSN4 without QR decals:


Untitled by theo franchi, on Flickr

Testbed MSN3 at the A380 site without engines:


Untitled by theo franchi, on Flickr
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:30 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 189):
XWB seems to be doing some cold weather work up in Finland.

It's only -5 degrees Celsius, but this morning it was snowing, maybe it's more related to that  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 194):
Testbed MSN3 at the A380 site without engines:

Based on Theo's other photos and knowing TLS a bit I actually think MSN3 is parked here:
http://i66.tinypic.com/2vj1jbn.png
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:43 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 189):
XWB seems to be doing some cold weather work up in Finland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9QME4QbS4

Something strange going on there.... 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:48 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 196):
Something strange going on there..

I haver never seen an aircraft moved like that before!
 
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RE: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 13

Tue Feb 02, 2016 4:57 pm

Quoting ap305 (Reply 196):
Something strange going on there....

Prob the tug did not have the traction to push the aircraft on that surface.
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Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:00 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 197):
I haver never seen an aircraft moved like that before!

Really strange      

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