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KarelXWB
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First 787 Sent To The Desert

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:29 pm

Line number 315 went into storage at VCV:


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Formerly HB-JJJ with PrivatAir, however it had its registration changed right before delivery to the airline and flown straight from Seattle for storage her in VCV. Rumors around suggest PrivatAir no longer wants it and is looking for a new owner. Amazing how even brand new Dreamliners (not even 6 months old at the time) find their way to the desert.
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RE:

Sun Jan 03, 2016 9:33 pm

I can predict with near-absolute certainty that this isn't the final word for this airframe.
Long live the Boeing 747!
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:15 pm

And not the first. Several have already been there for temporary storage.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Sun Jan 03, 2016 10:48 pm

Seems like there has to be a buyer if the price is low enough. Yeah i cant imagine that is the end for this plane, the seller might just need to lower the price, but i i bet it will be flying.
 
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RE:

Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:04 pm

What did Privatair envisige using this frame for?
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:31 am

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 4):
What did Privatair envisige using this frame for?

For VIP charters like their previous 763 and 757.
http://www2.privatair.com/sites/defa...azines/11_22_2011/PrivatAir_26.pdf
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 1:32 am

As we have seen, everyone has a price. The right customer (buyer) will come around and it's done deal. While we don't know the exact details of why they want to offload the frame, it is not a knock on the plane itself but more on the ownership.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:11 am

According to another website the first 787 (Line Number 1) went to the desert (PMD) in December 2011.

 Smile  Wink

[Edited 2016-01-03 22:12:17]
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:43 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 4):
What did Privatair envisige using this frame for?

For VIP charters like their previous 763 and 757.
http://www2.privatair.com/sites/defa...azines/11_22_2011/PrivatAir_26.pdf

That is not correct. This aircraft wasn't destinated for VIP charter and it not belongs to PrivatAir. It is owned (or not, do the missed payment...) to ECAIR of Congo Brazzaville.

That company usally operates its aircraft by another (European) carrier because of the EU blacklist. Usually it is PrivatAir from Switzerland or Jetairfly form Belgium.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:41 am

Quick, someone call AI. A plane full on parts!   
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:31 pm

One of the 787 test aircraft is on display at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson, Arizona, it is painted in All Nippon colours.
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:53 pm

Quoting ADent (Reply 7):
According to another website the first 787 (Line Number 1) went to the desert (PMD) in December 2011.

And is now at the Nagoya Chube International Airport on permanent display.



Quoting bsu747 (Reply 10):
One of the 787 test aircraft is on display at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson, Arizona, it is painted in All Nippon colours.

That is Line Number 2.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:57 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 8):

That's right! This aircraft was intended for EC Air of Congo. A few week ago it was mentioned that PrivatAir will discontinue his wet lease agreement with EC Air. TUI Belgium is set to provid the Congolese airline with staff and aircraft. (Cannot find the link sorry)
 
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Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:06 pm

Quoting bakestar (Reply 9):
Quick, someone call AI. A plane full on parts!

You made me spit coffee! I was wondering when the next AI joke was coming...... 
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RE:

Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:57 pm

Was this the only Dreamliner PrivatAir had on order?
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:49 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
Was this the only Dreamliner PrivatAir had on order?

They placed two separate orders for 787-8s, one on 14-Nov-2006 and an add-on 15-Jan-2008.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:52 pm

High-risk but potentially high-reward venture didn't work out. I expect this frame will find either a buyer or another third-world operator wishing to contract with PrivatAir before very long.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:27 am

Quoting viasa (Reply 8):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 4):
What did Privatair envisige using this frame for?

For VIP charters like their previous 763 and 757.
http://www2.privatair.com/sites/defa...azines/11_22_2011/PrivatAir_26.pdf

That is not correct. This aircraft wasn't destinated for VIP charter and it not belongs to PrivatAir. It is owned (or not, do the missed payment...) to ECAIR of Congo Brazzaville.

That company usally operates its aircraft by another (European) carrier because of the EU blacklist. Usually it is PrivatAir from Switzerland or Jetairfly form Belgium.

I was referring to PrivatAir's original intent for the two 787s when first ordered in 2006 and 2008 respectively, as mentioned in their newsletter at the time. That was long before their deal to operate aircraft for ECAir. The global financial crisis and various other political events since have hade the widebody VIP charter market much smaller.

2008 press release when the 2nd order was finalized:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...r-787-from-privatair-56935147.html
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:35 pm

Depending on what was done with the interior it would make a great Head of State aircraft. I wonder if they caught it soon enough in the production sequence before the cabin interior was installed.
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:52 pm

Im guessing it could be one of these two:
http://www.controller.com/listings/a...ft/manufacturer/boeing/model/787-8

For sale: $165mill and $290mill
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:25 pm

Quoting viasa (Reply 8):
That is not correct. This aircraft wasn't destinated for VIP charter and it not belongs to PrivatAir. It is owned (or not, do the missed payment...) to ECAIR of Congo Brazzaville.

Interestingly this tweet shows frame HB-JJH DAC presse tweet. Perhaps the stored frame is the second Ecair allegedly defaulted on. Interestingly Ecair fleet web page already shows a 737 with HB-JJH Ecair fleet
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:34 pm

Very interesting the discrepencay in asking price for those two 787-8 frames.

Quoting co38 (Reply 19):
http://www.controller.com/listings/a...ft/manufacturer/boeing/model/787-8
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:17 pm

Quoting StTim (Reply 21):
Very interesting the discrepencay in asking price for those two 787-8 frames

$290M for BBJ probably the cost of VIP config
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:48 pm

Pretty sure the frame under discussion here is the $165M listing. I think the $290M listing is LN 143 originally built for Michael Dell.

Both of those prices are... ambitious.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:32 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 23):
LN 143 originally built for Michael Dell.

What happened with that one?
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:03 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):

Yes, why would Mr. Dell have wanted it anyway, as an oversized VIP transport? Sounds ludicrous! No wonder Dell is so on me to buy another PC. Then again, if this deal didn't work out, maybe they're just not selling enough PCs in that dog-eat-dog oh so competitive industry. I could see maybe an Airbus A318 Corporate Jet or a Boeing BBJ but this seems crazy to me. I guess you can never underestimate the spending tastes of executives running companies with deep pockets.
 
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RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:07 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 24):
What happened with that one?

The frame was originally ordered by ILFC and either Michael Dell himself or his personal financial capital firm - MSD Capital LP - were set to purchase it from them back in January 2013.

The plane was delivered in February 2014 and then flown from PAE to Jet Aviation Flight Services in Moses Lake, WA for outfitting.



Quoting AvObserver (Reply 25):
Yes, why would Mr. Dell have wanted it anyway, as an oversized VIP transport? Sounds ludicrous! No wonder Dell is so on me to buy another PC.

Mr. Dell's aircraft fleet is privately-owned so the company did not pay for the plane.

[Edited 2016-01-06 09:09:57]
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:28 pm

Anyone know if this frame is still in the desert or someone got a hold of it? Also, I can't tell if it has no interior, VIP interior, or pax interior.
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:29 pm

That sure is a game changer! A Boeing aircraft going from the production line to storage. No, wait... LOL, it can't even change that game. :-)))
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:32 pm

jnev3289 wrote:
Anyone know if this frame is still in the desert


Looks like it: https://flic.kr/p/WpNZoS
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:43 pm

Btblue wrote:
That's just amazing it is still there. I take it there are issues with this aircraft in that being one of the early builds it has a bespoke build requiring more work than usual and it is heavier than regular 787s? Seems really bizarre keeping it on the ground where it is performing no function at all - unless it's for tax purposes...

I may be wrong, but isn't it better for the taxes if you don't order the plane in the first place? :-)
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:43 pm

That's just amazing it is still there. I take it there are issues with this aircraft in that being one of the early builds it has a bespoke build requiring more work than usual and it is heavier than regular 787s? Seems really bizarre keeping it on the ground where it is performing no function at all - unless it's for tax purposes...
 
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Re: RE: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:45 pm

bakestar wrote:
Quick, someone call AI. A plane full on parts!   


Good one
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:48 pm

Btblue wrote:
That's just amazing it is still there. I take it there are issues with this aircraft in that being one of the early builds it has a bespoke build requiring more work than usual and it is heavier than regular 787s? Seems really bizarre keeping it on the ground where it is performing no function at all - unless it's for tax purposes...


The OP states it is Line Number 315. Should be an up to specs machine then.
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:51 pm

Can we change the thread title? It's misleading and incorrect. It's not the first to the desert, and it makes it seem as if it's sent there permanently.
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:56 pm

This plane has been tied up in legal issues due to a default by the buyer. Not sure on the specifics, but there was a public auction a few months ago.
 
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Re: First 787 Sent To The Desert

Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:16 pm

Btblue wrote:
That's just amazing it is still there. I take it there are issues with this aircraft in that being one of the early builds it has a bespoke build requiring more work than usual and it is heavier than regular 787s? Seems really bizarre keeping it on the ground where it is performing no function at all - unless it's for tax purposes...


This is not an early build. It's LN 315; 787-8s were fully "normalized" after about LN 110. I expect the comment below is right: this plane can't go anywhere until legal issues are resolved.

It does seem there is a market out there for VIP 787s. Boeing managed to sell four actual early builds as VIP, in addition to a host of later-build frames.

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