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Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:27 am

About the ones that you would expect to be the best and the ones not to fly on.

http://www.airlineratings.com/news/6...the-worlds-safest-airline-for-2016
 
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:51 am

"""Top of the list for the third year is Australia’s Qantas, which has a fatality free record in the jet era – an extraordinary record."""


Something to be proud of QF about  


"""Making up the remainder of the top twenty in alphabetical order are: Air New Zealand, Alaska Airlines, All Nippon Airlines, American Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Emirates, Etihad Airways, EVA Air, Finnair, Hawaiian Airlines, Japan Airlines, KLM, Lufthansa, Scandinavian Airline System, Singapore Airlines, Swiss, United Airlines, Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Australia."""


Good to see UA on the list!

UA and AA are there but no DL? (to EK's pleasure lol)
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 12:55 am

The problem with the articles is that all of the world's major airlines are so staggeringly safe as to make such lists pointless. It's just fear-mongering.
 
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:05 am

Quoting delimit (Reply 2):
The problem with the articles is that all of the world's major airlines are so staggeringly safe as to make such lists pointless. It's just fear-mongering.

Exactly. Those types of lists and ratings are best ignored. There are too many factors to consider and they often don't.

For example, does it make sense to include a carrier like Virgin Australia in the top 20 which has only existed for 16 years, but not Aer Lingus which hasn't had a fatality for 48 years, or a significantly larger airline like Air Canada which has been fatality-free for 33 years? Many other examples.
 
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:48 am

I think grouping airlines into broad categories is useful...but picking number one out of a top tier of several airlines that have checked all the boxes is pointless. How is Qantas number-one? What about Hawaiian who has NEVER had so much as a hull lost nor fatal accident, in any era, jet-era or otherwise.
 
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:00 am

JACDEC has QF listed as #7 for 2015 http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:55 pm

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):
JACDEC has QF listed as #7 for 2015 http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/

CX clearly payed the most tea money for that ranking  
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:20 pm

Quoting 777Jet (Reply 1):
UA and AA are there but no DL? (to EK's pleasure lol)

Also surprised by BA's absence. -ir
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:27 pm

Comparing very statistically improbable events is completely meaningless. This and all similar surveys are a load of rubbish.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 3):
For example, does it make sense to include a carrier like Virgin Australia in the top 20 which has only existed for 16 years, but not Aer Lingus which hasn't had a fatality for 48 years, or a significantly larger airline like Air Canada which has been fatality-free for 33 years? Many other examples.

Well, from what I can tell the site appears to be an Australian site sponsored by an Australian newspaper. Perhaps there's some sort of connection there.
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:17 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 5):

JACDEC has QF listed as #7 for 2015 http://www.jacdec.de/airline-safety-ranking-2015/

Finnair did not even make that list so I guess it's more dangerous than all the rest on the list  
 
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:23 am

Quoting poolkeeper (Reply 9):
Finnair did not even make that list so I guess it's more dangerous than all the rest on the list  

Not sure what is going one with Finnair, maybe it was the serious incident in HKG when their A340 tried to takeoff on a taxiway.The JACDEC ranking is statistically based, they publish the raw scores for each airline. As far as I am aware, CX has one of the highest threat environments worldwide and lowest incident rate according to IOSA audits which compare airlines against each other.

airlineratings.com had most large airlines at ranked with the same score of 7, so there must be some subjective measure to generate their list.
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RE: Interesting Article Rating Airline Safety...

Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:47 pm

What would possibly be useful is a listing of the worst airlines a world traveler may encounter. A good metric for a truly bad airline might be any as bad or worse as was experienced very early in the jet age. Even then it likely was safer than driving, but still a measurable hazard.
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